stamoo
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Jan 16, 2016 10:48:42 GMT
Post by stamoo on Jan 16, 2016 10:48:42 GMT
I don't understand why, if the council don't want the stadium at Perdiswell, they don't just reject the application. They have the power to do this so why would they sit on it and hope it goes away? Mark, it may not be 'The Council' who don't want the stadium at Perdiswell it's likely influential individuals within the Council who are against the plan who are pulling strings for fear that if the application goes forward it will be approved. Underhand dirty tricks to undermine he democratic process.
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Jan 19, 2016 11:59:14 GMT
Post by Croc on Jan 19, 2016 11:59:14 GMT
I don't understand why, if the council don't want the stadium at Perdiswell, they don't just reject the application. They have the power to do this so why would they sit on it and hope it goes away? The cynical amongst us might make the suggestion that a refused application with a club still in existence making noises and objections to that decision is harder to deal with than sitting on an unheard application with the club out of existence...
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Jan 19, 2016 12:04:48 GMT
Post by Croc on Jan 19, 2016 12:04:48 GMT
I don't understand why, if the council don't want the stadium at Perdiswell, they don't just reject the application. They have the power to do this so why would they sit on it and hope it goes away? Mark, it may not be 'The Council' who don't want the stadium at Perdiswell it's likely influential individuals within the Council who are against the plan who are pulling strings for fear that if the application goes forward it will be approved. Underhand dirty tricks to undermine he democratic process. There may be a grain of truth in that - look at the stance of a certain Councillor of a blue persuasion who has been very very vocal in opposition to the Perdiswell plans - as opposed to his support of the club whilst they were in the old place...
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Jan 19, 2016 12:59:16 GMT
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Post by Mark on Jan 19, 2016 12:59:16 GMT
Silly of me at my age to think that these matters would simply run their course. I guess it's inevitable that people's personal agendas will come in to play.........but it's just not right. There must be something that can be done to push this issue forward so that it HAS to be given a fair chance In the planning process?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2016 19:14:53 GMT
Surely the bottom line is that this process has become undemocratic? If there is a case to have, or not have, a new stadium at Perdiswell, then it should be debated and objections/endorsements heard. Just sweeping it under the carpet like this is a disgrace.
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Jan 19, 2016 19:33:13 GMT
Post by thesecondjack on Jan 19, 2016 19:33:13 GMT
Surely the bottom line is that this process has become undemocratic? If there is a case to have, or not have, a new stadium at Perdiswell, then it should be debated and objections/endorsements heard. Just sweeping it under the carpet like this is a disgrace. You've probably summed it up better then the rest of us have. We can talk about political parties being for or against us, or how we should be doing more, at the end of the day that's all irrelevant. It is looking undemocratic, certainly.
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Jan 19, 2016 21:04:41 GMT
Post by dcx on Jan 19, 2016 21:04:41 GMT
Silly of me at my age to think that these matters would simply run their course. I guess it's inevitable that people's personal agendas will come in to play.........but it's just not right. There must be something that can be done to push this issue forward so that it HAS to be given a fair chance In the planning process?I agree, being patient and sitting tight is not going to do anything, as evidenced by the last 7 months of no progress. I don't mean this as a dig, I really don't, but has anyone senior at the club (ie a board member) or any of the Supporters Trust been in contact with the council at all? Surely the first logical step is to get in contact and find out what the hell is going on?
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Jan 19, 2016 21:40:10 GMT
Post by creaner on Jan 19, 2016 21:40:10 GMT
Silly of me at my age to think that these matters would simply run their course. I guess it's inevitable that people's personal agendas will come in to play.........but it's just not right. There must be something that can be done to push this issue forward so that it HAS to be given a fair chance In the planning process?I agree, being patient and sitting tight is not going to do anything, as evidenced by the last 7 months of no progress. I don't mean this as a dig, I really don't, but has anyone senior at the club (ie a board member) or any of the Supporters Trust been in contact with the council at all? Surely the first logical step is to get in contact and find out what the hell is going on? Appreciate it's not a dig, just frustration, I'm well acquainted with that! I can assure everyone that being patient and sitting tight hasn't been what we've been doing over the last 7 months, or even the 3,years since we started. Whether it's responding to issues around the application or trying to get traction on moving things forward this is being done weekly, sometimes daily by both the trust and the club board. Just seeing the swimming pool being started shows what can be achieved when the political will is there but we have very little leverage, so far, in pushing our proposal. That's the reality. If we get to the stage where we need to push to get our voice heard how does everyone think that would go? Not just here and on the terraces. We would need a lot of support to make a difference in the city council. Interesting to see if the FA cup passion could be carried over to making that difference?
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Jan 19, 2016 21:55:16 GMT
Post by thesecondjack on Jan 19, 2016 21:55:16 GMT
It's good to hear that the ST and Board are still co-operating with the council and trying to keep any momentum going. I think perhaps some people get into the 'nothing is going on' feeling because unless you're one of the ones actively involved, you don't hear much... on here or at the matches.
I'd like to think that a march on the guild hall would be effective, but knowing our luck, we'd probably choose a wet, windy day where everyone is busy ironing their underwear. The club and ST would have to throw so much time and energy at it to have any noticeable number turn up. It seems a bit of a sticky situation.
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Jan 20, 2016 11:51:49 GMT
Post by kentenigmawcfc on Jan 20, 2016 11:51:49 GMT
I am sure this has already been considered and probably tried but given the Gov't initiative announced about football clubs yesterday, which I appreciate does not really cover trying to build a new stadium, would it not be worth contacting the local MP Robin Walker, who I thought was broadly supportive of getting the club back to the City, and see if he can gee up the council at all or ask him if he could find out what the delay is with the council making a decision?
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Jan 20, 2016 12:44:56 GMT
Post by Woodenose on Jan 20, 2016 12:44:56 GMT
Worcester City Supporters’ Trust’s application for a new ground at Perdiswell is yet to go before a Worcester City Council planning committee. according to our local rag
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Jan 20, 2016 13:24:11 GMT
Post by althom on Jan 20, 2016 13:24:11 GMT
The political makeup of the planning committee is 6 conservative to 5 labour councillors, so to put the application before the existing committee would inevitably end in failure due to the perceived feeling that the conservative councillors would vote against the application. Until the planning committee is balanced the opposite way, to be honest, i think we are stuffed! Unless the conservatives can be persuaded to support the motion?
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Jan 20, 2016 14:17:27 GMT
Post by creaner on Jan 20, 2016 14:17:27 GMT
The political makeup of the planning committee is 6 conservative to 5 labour councillors, so to put the application before the existing committee would inevitably end in failure due to the perceived feeling that the conservative councillors would vote against the application. Until the planning committee is balanced the opposite way, to be honest, i think we are stuffed! Unless the conservatives can be persuaded to support the motion? The planning committee should only judge applications on the basis of planning rules; hence why we have been going to and fro dotting i's and crossing t's etc. to get a recommendation of acceptance from the planners when it goes to committee. Any snifter of a problem will give them a reason to kick it out.
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Jan 20, 2016 15:59:56 GMT
Post by thatloudbloke on Jan 20, 2016 15:59:56 GMT
great for a supporter to get this information, but still not clear in my mind what is wrong with application & what needs to be done to get all the i's dotted & the t's crossed. i have been in the building trade all my life & that's a long time but never have I, my customers or family business not got planning permission quit quickly even when issues have be presented by planning committee we have sorted out their whims, & once they have given the set of problems & you have overcome those I cannot see how they can dream up other issues, & if they are doing this there are legal routes that can be taken. as I am not a share holder & not on the ST although I have asked a number of times for application form but the reply I usually get is we do not have any with us at this time, & this is at home games, where I would have thought they should be available at each game, so can someone give me a where & when I can obtain the form & I will fill in ASAP, my family are 5 generations of WCFC, my father has been on different committees over the years & has done things like the lucky dip etc... we want to help but do not seem to be able to although we ask.. give us & probably others who are the same as us the opportunity to get involved...
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Jan 20, 2016 16:06:16 GMT
Post by rob on Jan 20, 2016 16:06:16 GMT
great for a supporter to get this information, but still not clear in my mind what is wrong with application & what needs to be done to get all the i's dotted & the t's crossed. i have been in the building trade all my life & that's a long time but never have I, my customers or family business not got planning permission quit quickly even when issues have be presented by planning committee we have sorted out their whims, & once they have given the set of problems & you have overcome those I cannot see how they can dream up other issues, & if they are doing this there are legal routes that can be taken. as I am not a share holder & not on the ST although I have asked a number of times for application form but the reply I usually get is we do not have any with us at this time, & this is at home games, where I would have thought they should be available at each game, so can someone give me a where & when I can obtain the form & I will fill in ASAP, my family are 5 generations of WCFC, my father has been on different committees over the years & has done things like the lucky dip etc... we want to help but do not seem to be able to although we ask.. give us & probably others who are the same as us the opportunity to get involved... trust application wcfcst.co.uk/join-us/share application www.worcestercityfc.com/a/become-a-shareholder-36625.html
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Jan 20, 2016 16:15:07 GMT
Post by thatloudbloke on Jan 20, 2016 16:15:07 GMT
thanks Rob
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Jan 20, 2016 19:28:09 GMT
Post by thesecondjack on Jan 20, 2016 19:28:09 GMT
A good article in the paper: www.worcesternews.co.uk/sport/14218570.Save_Worcester_City_Football_Club__urges_supporters____trust_secretary_Rob_Crean/Rob, you came over very well as usual. One thing I have a question about: The quote from Alan Coleman at the end, ''“The city council has worked through the issues they raised with the trust, and is now waiting for the trust to submit revised proposals as part of the same planning application which will overcome these objections.'' Does this mean the current application has been rejected, and we'll all have to write into the portal again in our support of the new application? Not a problem if so, just feel it'd be good to know!
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Jan 21, 2016 19:13:28 GMT
Post by creaner on Jan 21, 2016 19:13:28 GMT
A good article in the paper: www.worcesternews.co.uk/sport/14218570.Save_Worcester_City_Football_Club__urges_supporters____trust_secretary_Rob_Crean/Rob, you came over very well as usual. One thing I have a question about: The quote from Alan Coleman at the end, ''“The city council has worked through the issues they raised with the trust, and is now waiting for the trust to submit revised proposals as part of the same planning application which will overcome these objections.'' Does this mean the current application has been rejected, and we'll all have to write into the portal again in our support of the new application? Not a problem if so, just feel it'd be good to know! No, the application hasn't gone to committee yet. Planners ask for updates, we respond. Planners ask for updates, we respond. The length of time going to and fro is the frustrating thing and the delays only seem to get longer. Hence my point- if WCC want to support bringing WCFC back to Worcester with the community benefits we want to bring then say so and get things moving. If not then say that and we know where we stand. It seems there is an apathy there, conscious or otherwise, that will prefer it to drag on to the inevitable demise.
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Jan 21, 2016 19:30:03 GMT
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Post by thesecondjack on Jan 21, 2016 19:30:03 GMT
Right, I think I follow, thanks!
The article has certainly gathered a good number of comments, so well done for that! I believe if we are to try and apply some pressure on the council to make them take a decision, as has been suggested. articles in the paper and write ups from ourselves in the 'letters' section might be a logical step.
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Jan 21, 2016 21:00:23 GMT
Post by auldreekie on Jan 21, 2016 21:00:23 GMT
Fully agree. Comes over very well with the right balance between reasonableness and frustration. Good to see so many positive comments added already and the Worcester News making a clear statement. It implies that it was on the front page of the print edition. Is that right and,if so, how did it look?
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Jan 21, 2016 22:54:35 GMT
Post by thesecondjack on Jan 21, 2016 22:54:35 GMT
It implies that it was on the front page of the print edition. Is that right and,if so, how did it look? Yup, here's the front page as was sold:
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Post by auldreekie on Jan 21, 2016 22:56:35 GMT
It implies that it was on the front page of the print edition. Is that right and,if so, how did it look? Yup, here's the front page as was sold: View AttachmentThank you - that looks good.
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Jan 21, 2016 23:00:50 GMT
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Post by creaner on Jan 21, 2016 23:00:50 GMT
Right, I think I follow, thanks! The article has certainly gathered a good number of comments, so well done for that! I believe if we are to try and apply some pressure on the council to make them take a decision, as has been suggested. articles in the paper and write ups from ourselves in the 'letters' section might be a logical step. Dead right but this can't just be a one off. This needs to stay in the public domain continually until the local elections in May. Thousands at Coventry, Scunthorpe and SUFC- need to be vocal in support to get city home. Then politicians might actually listen. Or not!
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Jan 21, 2016 23:05:31 GMT
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Post by creaner on Jan 21, 2016 23:05:31 GMT
Thank you - that looks good. Credit here to the WN reporter. We expect journo's to write well but to get it on the front page is a first as far as I can recall. It's a big story that needs to be told. Thank you Geoff.
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Jan 21, 2016 23:08:42 GMT
Post by thesecondjack on Jan 21, 2016 23:08:42 GMT
Right, I think I follow, thanks! The article has certainly gathered a good number of comments, so well done for that! I believe if we are to try and apply some pressure on the council to make them take a decision, as has been suggested. articles in the paper and write ups from ourselves in the 'letters' section might be a logical step. Dead right but this can't just be a one off. This needs to stay in the public domain continually until the local elections in May. Thousands at Coventry, Scunthorpe and SUFC- need to be vocal in support to get city home. Then politicians might actually listen. Or not! I'll certainly get around to writing a letter into the paper in the next day or two, hopefully others can follow suit! As you pointed out, local elections in May means it's a good time to make the politicians worry about upsetting a group of several thousand voters. I for one will guarantee my vote to the most vocally pro - city candidate in my area... seeing as I don't much see what city councillors do. Perhaps someone who has a bit more confidence in their on the ball thinking and voice then myself would be willing to phone into Hereford & Worcester, I'm sure Trevor Owens would be more then willing to have a supporter or two on. I feel we should give a load a credit to Geoff at the paper, he's put up a fair few articles recently and we've had a front page story. Thank you Mr Berkeley! Keep up the good work I say. EDIT: You beat me to the praise!!
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Jan 22, 2016 10:17:53 GMT
Post by Croc on Jan 22, 2016 10:17:53 GMT
I've written several letters to the paper on this - and trying to highlight the issue and the silence from the PPP brigade and Councillor Jones on this whole thing and to try to get them to answer some important questions in relation to their objections (funny how Jones has gone quiet just after he won the seat on the City Council...)
Not a single one has been printed by the Worcester News...
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Jan 22, 2016 11:01:39 GMT
Post by kentenigmawcfc on Jan 22, 2016 11:01:39 GMT
Not wishing to get too political on this issue as I don't have a lot of faith in politicians of any party but if the residents of Warndon Ward were to vote for the party they did at the last election and remove the 'I want to be Mayor of anywhere at any cost to boost my ego' Mr Amos who switched parties AGAIN in his political career, perhaps that might swing the council back towards a more equal split so both main parties would have to do the unthinkable and work together! Then we might get some agreed consensus on our application from the council. Well I can dream can't I?
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Jan 22, 2016 11:40:13 GMT
Post by Croc on Jan 22, 2016 11:40:13 GMT
I think we maybe need to mobilise our political bodies as I did last year in the last Council Elections maybe?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2016 12:23:44 GMT
I don't think we should get too hung up on party politics. Kentenigma is right to be sceptical as to their motives. There isn't a party line on this. Left or right orientated councillors have the same interest - keeping their seats. There will be Labour officials who would veto the Perdiswell project should it threaten their parking space at county hall. However, if public opinion appears to be supporting the development then politicians of all shades would back it. The front page article in the WN was gold dust.
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Jan 22, 2016 15:11:56 GMT
Post by thatloudbloke on Jan 22, 2016 15:11:56 GMT
A big thanks to Geoff on getting the story to front page, when he came he said he would keep us informed on WCFC in my opinion he has done more than this in the short time he has been with WN than we have had for many years also he is getting the message out to allot of others within the county, Well done Geoff...
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