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[DazaB]

jcp said:

mazeythe2nd said:

who?

You obviously know very little about FA Cup final history.

Well, that clears up who Mick Jones is then

[Mark]

Back in the 70's he played for Leeds United (remember them?) in a cup final at Wembley. Dislocated his shoulder towards the end of the game but still managed to walk up the steps after the match to collect his medal.

[StopfordianWCFC]

mark said:

Dislocated his shoulder towards the end of the game but still managed to walk up the steps after the match to collect his medal.

Which I think most of us would probably make a heroic effort to do bearing in mind it was a 'once in a lifetime' FA cup final - a decidedly more more romantic option than playing on in a grim Worcestershire derby with a broken arm!

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admin said:

jcp said:

You obviously know very little about FA Cup final history.

Well, that clears up who Mick Jones is then

Not that it ever needed clearing up, I'm guessing on the basis that Mazey is only 17, he probably has no idea who The Beatles are, or Elvis Presley, or Steve McQueen, and who the hell is this Jesus guy? I'm only 42!!!

[ctod1959]

So as a 42 year old spring chicken, you won't remember Gerry Byrne playing the last 75 minutes of the 1965 FA Cup Final with a broken collar bone, or eight years earlier than that Bert Trautmann finishing the Final with a broken neck - both put Mick Jones' 'heroics' into perspective.

[Tim Munslow]

Very disappointing game - but not the result. As Richard Dryden is quoted as saying this was "winning ugly" and sometimes you have to do that. We never bossed the game at all and as Niels says above we will have to step it up for the Telford game. Ryan Clarke and Chris Smith were massive for us. I wouldn't mind us signing Reds one-man defence Exodus Geoghagan either.

The Redditch No 2 should have walked for his unprovoked shove on Mark Danks - the referee ducked out and gave him a yellow.

When did City last win five on the bounce? This is just too good to be true!

I noted from RD's post-match interview that, having seen his team to another victory, he was off to watch two of our forthcoming opponents (Nuneaton and Hinckley) play each other, which shows he's dedicated to what he's doing.

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mancunianwcfc said:

mark said:

Dislocated his shoulder towards the end of the game but still managed to walk up the steps after the match to collect his medal.

Which I think most of us would probably make a heroic effort to do bearing in mind it was a 'once in a lifetime' FA cup final - a decidedly more more romantic option than playing on in a grim Worcestershire derby with a broken arm!

A good point. Just to make it clear, my comment was in no way aimed at Shabir Khan, but just the fact that football appears to be getting even softer than ever. Sorry to hark back to the days when it was considered something of an ignominious exit on a stretcher, so most players would elect to walk off unless they couldn't. There was an incident in the Derby - Liverpool game yesterday, where two Derby players colided leaving one prone on the floor. The referee quite rightly waved play on which almost led to a Liverpool goal. I'm not sure anyone apart from Derby fans would have seen the need for a stoppage in play for that incident would they? It was however heartening to see Stephen Pearson being able to still use his legs despite having dislocated his shoulder!! He walked off using his shirt as a sling without invalidating his insurance!!!!!
Wakey makes a good point about the improvement in medical care, and this is another area where football trails its fellow professional games such as both codes of rugby. Whereas a footballer with a gashed head will probably play no further part in a game, the rugby codes make good use of blood injury changes, allowing a player to come off and within 2/3 minutes come back onto the pitch, with a few stiches inserted, a bit of 0.001% adrenalin cream and a bandage! So yes Wakey, today there should be no reason why Terry Butcher or Paul Ince can't continue to play, but this time without all the blood!!
Its just comment on areas of the game which could be improved upon, particularly if the players felt their pride dented by lying prone by what are often relatively small knocks. Its fair to say that if Kev Tudor was down on the floor, his injury was probably a shade worse than fatal!! I don't think I ever saw it. I was watching an Ospreys game on TV a few weeks back, and James Hook had dislocated a couple of fingers. Did he lie prone on the floor? Was he stretchered off? No, he ran across to the side of the pitch and with the help of a physio, he relocated his fingers and got straight back into the action. I doubt that insurance invalidation even crossed his mind! I just can't imagine many modern footballers taking the same course of action, I may be well wrong there, but I just can't see it.
Finally, just imagine if it had been a Redditch player who had been stretchered off holding his arm? Would we all feel the same way? Not long ago I remember some opposition guy being stretchered off having held play up for a long time with an arm injury. He got the bird big time as he was carried towards the tunnel, by contributors to this very post.
We lost our captain in the WFA U16 final last season with a dislocated elbow, he fell on a bone hard surface at Walshes Meadow, got up and his arm was facing the wrong way and locked straight. No-one really noticed it, least of all the ref, as it was so inoccuous. Ruffy certainly didn't stop the game, and again quite rightly so. Ironically Shabirs brother KK was playing in that game (and giving us a severe tonking as we lost 3-0 to UCW and raised our game in the second half to get the nil!) and he was probably unaware that we'd lost a man with a dislocated elbow. Our man wandered off to get changed and although he was advised to go to straight to hospital, he didnt! He caught the bus down from Fernhill Heath to the hospital the following day to have it relocated!!! I guess 16 year olds think they're invincible!!!

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ctod1959 said:

So as a 42 year old spring chicken, you won't remember Gerry Byrne playing the last 75 minutes of the 1965 FA Cup Final with a broken collar bone, or eight years earlier than that Bert Trautmann finishing the Final with a broken neck - both put Mick Jones' 'heroics' into perspective.

No, I don't remember them, but one of my many books I've read over the years was about great FA Cup achievements (I thought Byrne broke his collar bone in ther first five minutes?) I guess the youth of today don't read anymore??
Byrne and Trautmann had to play on though, as there were no subs allowed at the time. I doubt either really wanted to, and would not have done today.

[niels]

jcp said:

A good point. Just to make it clear, my comment was in no way aimed at Shabir Khan,

Just to make it clearer, your comments never are aimed at something in particular. They just happen to appear in threads which discuss a certain incident as if by accident.
One of our players falls from a great height onto the ground, doesn't move and is quite clearly badly injured (obvious to all who were there to see). Do you show any concern. NO. You use the fact that the referee doesn't stop the game to have a go at todays soft footballers.
Jeremy, you really are a prize a**e.

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Surely you meant "one of the players" not just "one of our players" didn't you? Of course I have concern for players who get injured, I hope they are all okay, regardless of which team they player for, that's a given isn't it?

[Tony is not to despondent now.]

The Doc was called on to the pitch and presumably he recommended the stretcher. But then Brooksider you not being there because of you circumstances would know better than the Doc.

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Thanks for letting me know that webbtony, I thought I was wrong, but you've just said I was right - so thanks.
andy summed it up perfectly, so no further comment needed on Shabirs injury. I can't comment on it as I wasn't there.

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And just to show that I do care, whats the news of Shabir? He must have had an op last night? How is he doing? Any official news from the club?

[gobby cow]

Have you thought that Shabby went off on the stretcher to hide his injury from the viewing public. I can tell you if I had seen him with a broken arm I would have been inconsolable.

I am appalled that he is considered soft as he went off on the stretcher. I broke my elbow last year, it is extremely painful and poor Shabby has my every sympathy.

We did wonder if he had a groin strain at first as he seemed in discomfort before the incident, holding his arm strangely.

Shabir was excellent yesterday, I just hope he is back soon.

[mazeythe2nd]

I heard he was still in hospital last night, and brooksider, you say you can't comment on his injury because you weren't there, so why did you?

[alfiepie]

Brooksider Services Ltd - Show us a molehill and we'll make a mountain out of it.....!!! hehehehe

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I didn't - I commented on a post that was on here - "Khan stretchered off with a broken arm" it said. As I'm not welcome down the Lane I can only comment on whats posted on here, c'est la vie.
As he didn't break his arm as posted, then I may have been wrong to suggest that he didnt need a stretcher, and andy's post cleared that up, which should be the end of it, except there's always one poster wants to get personal. Anyway thats what was posted. I have no idea of the type of injury Shab suffered, so I cannot comment on it. I don't know if it was subluxation or something more serious. I do know that sever dislocation of a major joint can lead to the loss of that joint through damage to blood vessels, I've been there! Strangely enough I wasn't present at Benazir Bhutto's assasination either, but I can comment on whats been written about it. Thats how news travels around.
What amazes me a little bit though is that the first reaction on here, and its even on the official website seems to be to blame the ref!! And for everyones compassion about "our" players, how come I'm the only person to enquire how he is today? 24 hours later and most people just want to play shoutybags?

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alfiepie said:

Brooksider Services Ltd - Show us a molehill and we'll make a mountain out of it.....!!! hehehehe

No, there's another certain poster who likes to wade in everytime I post. Regardless

[Tony is not to despondent now.]

Brooksider, you are not welcome down the lane?? Whyever not?

[DazaB]

jcp said:

ctod1959 said:

So as a 42 year old spring chicken, you won't remember Gerry Byrne playing the last 75 minutes of the 1965 FA Cup Final with a broken collar bone, or eight years earlier than that Bert Trautmann finishing the Final with a broken neck - both put Mick Jones' 'heroics' into perspective.

No, I don't remember them, but one of my many books I've read over the years was about great FA Cup achievements (I thought Byrne broke his collar bone in ther first five minutes?) I guess the youth of today don't read anymore??

HA HA HA HA HA Excellent.

No, we don't

[si1268]

webbtony said:

Brooksider, you are not welcome down the lane?? Whyever not?

Who the f**k do think you are?

[colinlayland]

jcp said:

I didn't - I commented on a post that was on here - "Khan stretchered off with a broken arm" it said. As I'm not welcome down the Lane I can only comment on whats posted on here, c'est la vie.
As he didn't break his arm as posted, then I may have been wrong to suggest that he didnt need a stretcher, and andy's post cleared that up, which should be the end of it, except there's always one poster wants to get personal. Anyway thats what was posted. I have no idea of the type of injury Shab suffered, so I cannot comment on it. I don't know if it was subluxation or something more serious. I do know that sever dislocation of a major joint can lead to the loss of that joint through damage to blood vessels, I've been there! Strangely enough I wasn't present at Benazir Bhutto's assasination either, but I can comment on whats been written about it. Thats how news travels around.
What amazes me a little bit though is that the first reaction on here, and its even on the official website seems to be to blame the ref!! And for everyones compassion about "our" players, how come I'm the only person to enquire how he is today? 24 hours later and most people just want to play shoutybags?

SIL268 READ THIS, JEMS OWN WORDS.

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crikey, its no big deal.

[ctod1959]

Is Brooksider paid a retainer to wind people up? - if not he should be. Can't remember the little blighter personally to know if he was like this at school- think he was in Lower 4B when I was in the Middle VI.

[Deleted]

I wish I was, there's a lot of money made in "social commentary" No, I just say it as I see it, if people don't agree then thats fine, it leads to debate, which more than often leads to action. Sometimes what I say is right, other times its way off kilter, totally wrong, but either way I'll say it and let others take it forward.
ctod - your alphabetical (and mathematical) prowess will get you far

[dg]

Being of no particular friend of anyone on this message board, Brooksider can post as and when he likes, some people on here are just plain a**seholes, get a life!.

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me included on many occasions

[wakefield]

Well then??

"Why you no welcome down da Lane?? Is coz you is......."