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Post by jupu on Nov 14, 2007 0:15:32 GMT
Maybe it's not a well known fact, but Alex Ferguson was a striker in his playing days.
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Post by B*ue dragonstander on Nov 15, 2007 11:04:52 GMT
Hence the press up celebration I thought.. We would have a pack of lions if Stanty was in charge. He fits my bill as not an ex City player (I know he played a few games but it was a temp affair). He has experience at a higher level and contacts the length and breadth of the land. We would be fit but I wonder about his tactical nous? I am not sure forwards make great managers (Ol Big Ed being the exception that proves the rule!)but i think Stant has the desire and the passion together with the commitment to hard work and I am sure he has the ability to be both a leader the players could look up to and learn from. 8/10! John Toshack is considered one of the great managers in the Spanish game. Keegan showed he had ability to do the job well. Dalglish was a very capable manager. Personally, I don't think bneing a good manager has anything to do with what position you played in, or whether you were any good as a player either, its about whether you are good as a manager. A manager is a totally different beast to a player. Good soldiers do not make good generals. Anyone know what position Arsene Wenger played? and who he played for? Although irrelevant I would take issue with you over the managerial stamp of the above mentioned trio. Dalglish was advised by Paisley and inherited the best team in English soccer at the time, My granny would have won the double managing those boys. His track record afterwards was arguably a title bought by Walker at Blackburn and when really faced with a challenge at Newcastle (the sort of challenge that Shankly and Ferguson overcame - ie the rebirth or birth of a (sleeping) giant) failed with flying colours. Toshack had a good seaon or two with Swansea and one or two decent sesasons in Spain but can one really say he is a great manager? He is essentially arrogant and useless as his spell in charge of Wales amply proves. As for Keegan? Good at a one level down from the top and his influence and impact although significant on appointment was not sustainable. The chances of keegan doing 10 years anywhere are nil. As an England manager? Say no more. Actually Stanty said he dont want the job so in an interview in the WN! I think Wenger played in the French 3 rd or 4 th division. Wouldn you have just loved to have played againts and fouled him eh?!! Going back to Fergy. I quite like managers who have not really succeeded as players. They still retain a hunger for success that playing superstars perhaps do not once they hang up their boots. Clough's career was cut short thorughinjury (and he was basically ignored for England despite a stunning goal record) and Fergy was not a top class player so neither achieved their ambitions on the field. Paisley won little as a player (46/7 League Championship) and was left out of the 1950 FA Cup Final (losing) XI despite scoring the semi final winner against Everton. Shankly won a bit but had plenty to prove as he lost a chunk of his playing career to the War.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2007 12:02:04 GMT
Hey, they were just the first three forwards that sprung to mind, I'm not holding any of them up as paragons of virtue or anything. Anyway, you can play the "he's really not a good manager" game with any name you want to throw in there, with the exception of a very small handful. I'm sure we can all take issue with the goodness or greatness of just about any manager, particularly incumbents of the England job!!! The point is it doesn't really matter where they play, or whether they were any good or not.
Just noticed the little one liner at the bottom of your posts BDS "you'll never beat Ryan Clarke" Well having seen him last Saturday, I can only think he must have had an off day, as he was beaten on numerous occasions, in the second half by a fat bloke wearing long-johns with a number 14 on his back!
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Post by dave on Nov 15, 2007 13:00:40 GMT
Now that the closing date for applications has passed, presumably we are looking at a week or so to shortlist then a couple of weeks to arrange and hold interviews etc.
So is it safe to assume we will have a new manager in time for Christmas?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2007 14:05:06 GMT
Never Assume!!
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Post by B*ue dragonstander on Nov 15, 2007 14:05:39 GMT
Hey, they were just the first three forwards that sprung to mind, I'm not holding any of them up as paragons of virtue or anything. Anyway, you can play the "he's really not a good manager" game with any name you want to throw in there, with the exception of a very small handful. I'm sure we can all take issue with the goodness or greatness of just about any manager, particularly incumbents of the England job!!! The point is it doesn't really matter where they play, or whether they were any good or not. Just noticed the little one liner at the bottom of your posts BDS "you'll never beat Ryan Clarke" Well having seen him last Saturday, I can only think he must have had an off day, as he was beaten on numerous occasions, in the second half by a fat bloke wearing long-johns with a number 14 on his back! Damn! You caught me being deliberately argumentative! Shucks As for Mr Clarke. I saw him at Tamworth and remained to be impressed. I though he could be carrying a knock and some his passing later in the game was good so I stored him as a positive. At Boston he was one good performance amongst 11. he did show a lot more and unleashed a fierce long range drive in the first half that showed he had some offensive value Against Southport I thoughy he was all but impeccable. He covered for Pete Doran and made time to get forward himself particularly after Doran was subbed and of course scored the most sublime winner (and boy did we need the three points!). Defensively no one got past him (that I noticed). A truly outstanding all round performance. I agree last Saturday he wasn't quite as good against a side full of attacking intent but I sort of put it down to a bit of unfamiliarity with team mates within the new 4-4-2. He is a player who is dependable at worst and outstanding at best. Overall a good addition to the team IMHO.
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