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Post by alwaysnextyear on Sept 29, 2007 17:11:00 GMT
After today's defeat, is there anything other than a relegation battle to look forward to this winter ? Optimists please help me through this 25 year depression !
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Post by DazaB on Sept 29, 2007 17:30:55 GMT
setanta shield? FA trophy?
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Post by blackpole on Sept 29, 2007 17:31:19 GMT
Still got the chance for a good Trophy run ......
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Post by fred titmus on Sept 29, 2007 18:06:35 GMT
Playing the way we have been just recently we'd struggle in the Vase let alone the Trophy
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Post by carsten on Sept 29, 2007 18:07:32 GMT
We've got the league the Stanta cup and the Trophy to do well in so no the season isn't over, but the money is.
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Post by villager on Sept 29, 2007 18:47:12 GMT
Seasons are normally over in April/May aren't they?
Having just got back from Tamworth my first thought was "another season consigned to the toilet".
But, with this league you never know and the FAT draw is coming up (sponsored by CM Pies).
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Post by suv on Sept 30, 2007 9:15:01 GMT
I don't beleive the Setanta Shield will do anything for our season.
A midweek home game verses Nuneaton will be for die-hard fans only and will not replace the money lost from not being in the FA Cup. To get a televised game in the following round (if were still in) we would need to be in the top 3 0r 4 in our division and get a home tie against higher league opposition, I can't see us being top 3 or 4 by early November. For me the FA Trophy is our only hope of any success/added income this season and "hope" is all it is.
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Post by oldboyblue on Sept 30, 2007 12:42:10 GMT
I wonder if Setanta will put the final on the telly? $$$$$$$$$$
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Post by Tim Munslow on Sept 30, 2007 13:52:13 GMT
Personally I have got over yesterday now, while consoling myself that we have played fourteen F A Cup ties over the last three seasons (yes, fourteen). There's plenty of League Two sides who can't say that.
I've also consoled myself with the thought that also out at the first hurdle from our league are Burscough, Hucknall, Leigh RMI and AFC Telford (all to lower graded opposition), Redditch and Hyde (to fellow BSN sides), while Harrogate have a tricky away replay @ Nantwich and Nuneaton & Alfreton also face replays.
Those are the positives; the negatives? The lack of passion, commitment, desire and general fire in the belly you might have expected from a team wanting to win a cup-tie. City look a side low on confidence at the moment. What a pity that the only goal came from a "dud" free-kick, which IMHO should have been given in our favour; how many times has that happened to us?
I'm also sadly afraid that we've seen the best of Webby, whose serious injury last year looks to have put paid to his career.
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Post by carsten on Sept 30, 2007 20:46:33 GMT
Its true about the number of FA Cup games, trouble is we have to play that many FA Cup games to get as far as a League Two side. It doesnt console me that other BSN teams are out as they don't have our debt or pay our bills. I think you're right about Webby who's been a superb player for us over the years, he aint gonna get no better no more.
Anyone know what the money situation is for Trophy run? it usually costs us money playing low grade sides away from home.
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Post by B*ue dragonstander on Oct 1, 2007 10:51:13 GMT
I'm also sadly afraid that we've seen the best of Webby, whose serious injury last year looks to have put paid to his career. I think its rather early to make that call Tim. I think the rehab process from such a seriou sinjury and prolonged lay-off is a lengthy one and is in many ways a mental as much as physical one. Webby has started scoring goals and that is encouraging. Each game will present opportunities that challenge him physically and will graduallyy restore his confidence that he can put his body fully on the line without the risk of recurrence. This may be a bit of physcobabble but having suffered a few injuries you are never quite sure that you are really 100% until you prove it to yourself but you dont always necessarily seek out that opportunity - it just comes. |
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Post by gobby cow on Oct 1, 2007 12:03:26 GMT
So we are out of the FA Cup, it is not the end of the world. There is still the league, FA Trophy and the Sultana Cup to win.
We need to get behind the team and give them the boost they need to get on with it and fight their way up that table to a play off place.
Besides that hopefully soon we will hear something positive about the new ground
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Post by wakefield on Oct 1, 2007 12:16:50 GMT
"Play off place"......
You're having a laugh!
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Post by carsten on Oct 1, 2007 12:44:38 GMT
So we are out of the FA Cup, it is not the end of the world. There is still the league, FA Trophy and the Sultana Cup to win. We need to get behind the team and give them the boost they need to get on with it and fight their way up that table to a play off place. Besides that hopefully soon we will hear something positive about the new ground It could be the end of the world for WCFC. This will really hit the playing budget and the Chairmans anger reflect this. |
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Post by B*ue dragonstander on Oct 1, 2007 13:30:53 GMT
So we are out of the FA Cup, it is not the end of the world. There is still the league, FA Trophy and the Sultana Cup to win. We need to get behind the team and give them the boost they need to get on with it and fight their way up that table to a play off place. Besides that hopefully soon we will hear something positive about the new ground It could be the end of the world for WCFC. This will really hit the playing budget and the Chairmans anger reflect this. If the Club is budgeting based on winning cup matches then the budget system is wrong. |
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Post by carsten on Oct 1, 2007 15:23:47 GMT
yes
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Post by alwaysnextyear on Oct 2, 2007 22:05:31 GMT
Don't worry, as far as I am aware the Club prudently and wisely ( no doubt experience based ! ) does not base its budget on having a successful cup run. Hence the major benefit to the Club of any sustained FA Cup run, and the Chairman's upset at being knocked out last Saturday at losing this " extra " income.
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Post by carsten on Oct 3, 2007 9:23:14 GMT
The FA Cup run a couple of years ago no doubt saved the club. It raised turnover by £200,000 with gate receipts going up by £80,000. Okay costs were higher so the net result was a net profit of £11,000 (as opposed to the usual £80,000 loss) so it made a £100,000 net difference. As far as the club debt was concerned, it is still around the £900,000 mark, so a big cup run keeps us stable for a couple of years.
What this means is that whilst we stay at SGL for the foreseeable future, the best the board can hope to do is try and budget for a reasonably small loss of around £50,000 per year. so without the cup income this year it will be very difficult now for the Board to release any further money for teambuilding to try and win the league or the Trophy. So you could say Season Over but theres plenty of football to watch still and a team to support. Question is do the existing players have the ability to get City promoted?
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Post by alwaysnextyear on Oct 3, 2007 18:05:59 GMT
No they don't. The vast majority of players couldn't do it last season in what was a poor division, and this year the division is a lot stronger.
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Post by stattosmfc on Oct 4, 2007 7:42:24 GMT
Carsten - The payments for the FA Trophy are as follows (from the FA website):
Round
Payment
Preliminary Round winners (46)
£1,000
First Round Qualifying winners (72)
£1,500
Second Round Qualifying winners (36)
£2,000
Third Round Qualifying winners (40)
£3,000
First Round Proper winners (32)
£4,000
Second Round Proper winners (16)
£5,000
Third Round Proper winners (8)
£6,000
Fourth Round Proper winners (4)
£8,000
Semi Final winners (2)
£16,000
Final winners (1)
£50,000
Final runners-up (1)
£25,000
BDS - Preece said on national radio last year that the club had budgetted on winning two games in the FA Cup last season.
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Post by B*ue dragonstander on Oct 4, 2007 13:20:09 GMT
Thanks Statto .
When I was involved with Norwich(many years ago) they used to budget to win one round of the League and FA Cups and when they didnt achieve this meant anxious faces as the Chairman looked for a cut in the wage bill!
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Post by stattosmfc on Oct 4, 2007 15:21:33 GMT
I remember Ken Bates saying about 10 years ago at Chelsea that for the FA Cup and League Cup he used to budget on the basis of them losing away to a Third Divsion (League Two now) in the first round that they played in.
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