Alfreton latest?

[cg]

They shouldn't go out drinking on empty heads

[DazaB]

poor performance and disgusting scenes from some so called fans, they spent 90 minutes 'singing' absolute tosh, don't know why they felt the need to sing songs about mourinho and the racial abuse was absolutely disgraceful, the whole group of them should be banned from SGL and from travelling with the supporters club in my view. I am unclear who has defintely been banned but I think it might be just the one. I disagree with the chants about sacking the board and getting rid of preece also, it was a bad performance but that was a bit extreme. Good to see the players still came and clapped us at the end and preece once more joined in.

A day to forget I think

[Fenners]

cg said:

Quite right too. Any idea how many people we are talking about, Darrell?

There were about a group of 5 lads , of which i have seen 2 of them at games before Alfreton. They were all young lads I'd guess around the age of 16-20 years.

[lee17]

I was not happy at all yesterday. The chants all game were disgraceful (and in the pub before the game) and i was really embarresed to be at the game, and a city supporter. I always stand behind the goal, home and away and it got to the point yesterday where me and 3 others i was with had to move jst to get away from the racial abuse. We did stand up to them at one point but they didnt pay any attention and at half time we told a steward, but again that was pointless. I just hope they are not at tamworth next week, it ruined the day for many people and i hope they are banned.

The football wasnt great, from minute 1 we looked shakey and just did not look up for it at all. Overall a very poor day.

[cg]

I just think this has got to be stamped on. Loads of true fans have posted this MB saying they how disgusted they were by physical taunts, racial abuse, abuse of players and management, poor atmosphere in a pub, in the club bar and on the terraces etc. This isn't just exuberence or excesses of youth - it is appalling disgusting behavour and while I'm not excusing what was obviously a very poor performance - how can you expect players, the manager and staff to feel part of the club when so-called supporters act like this? I'm sure the board will respond. What they'll need is names, addresses and any details so they can ban them from darkening the club's doors again - so if anyone has any information about the culprits so I would urge them to pass them on. If these lunatics go to Tamworth next week it could kick off. Even their infinitesimal brains ought to recognise there's not a lot of love loss there.

[DazaB]

cg said:

Quite right too. Any idea how many people we are talking about, Darrell?

there were 6 lads in total, one comes to every game home and away and is a really nice lad, he urged the others he came with to stop the racial abuse and wasn't involved in the incidents after the game. The other 5, 2 never have come before and the other 3 have been going to the last few away games, one of which was the origin of the trouble outside the ground. As leigh correctly says, they were aged about 16-22

[carsten]

sounds like these kids have been well identified, so there should be no excuse for not banning them. Sounds like you know of them mazey, so let the club know who they are and get them away from City.

[DazaB]

i know who they are as do everybody else aboard the coach but the names i do not know

[blackpole]

cg said:

If these lunatics go to Tamworth next week it could kick off. Even their infinitesimal brains ought to recognise there's not a lot of love loss there.

The point here though cg is that if it did kick off you can bet your life these twats will be the first to run and then it's the "innocents" who cop it. I remember them, so should i see them in SGL again I will point them out to stewards - or maybe do it myself. I only found out today that they sang one song to "stand up if you're going to Tamuff", and as my 10 yr old was eating some scram he didn't and the fat one called him a w***r right in his face. Unfortunately I only found out today, had i saw it yesterday I'd have sorted it on the spot ... but there's next week

[wakefield]

Well I didn't hear any abusive chants from our supporters but the language from the home bench and others was appalling.

I'm now happy I didn't take my daughter with me.

I go to watch non-league football because I enjoy the banter, the non segregation, the usually hospitable welcome. I have to say that I have never really felt that at Alfreton.

Whilst I certainly DO NOT agree with the alleged 'behaviour' of some of our 'supporters' I'm not suprised by it - given the atmosphere.

It seems to me that it is a culture that is driven from the very top at Alfreton. Oh and did anyone hear the announcement about 'foul and abusive language' before the game?.....no me neither. Yes it's tucked away in the programme.

Whatever,
there were a handful of our 'supporters' almost legless at the match and if the alleged behaviour is proven then they are not welcome at my club.

[cg]

blackpole said:

cg said:

If these lunatics go to Tamworth next week it could kick off. Even their infinitesimal brains ought to recognise there's not a lot of love loss there.

The point here though cg is that if it did kick off you can bet your life these t**ts will be the first to run and then it's the "innocents" who cop it. I remember them, so should i see them in SGL again I will point them out to stewards - or maybe do it myself. I only found out today that they sang one song to "stand up if you're going to Tamuff", and as my 10 yr old was eating some scram he didn't and the fat one called him a w***r right in his face. Unfortunately I only found out today, had i saw it yesterday I'd have sorted it on the spot ... but there's next week

That is truly pathetic behaviour - inexcusable. I guess this 'barmy army' is only six strong so can't cause too much trouble - so they equally shouldn't take too much banning either.

[wh]

Preecey says it as it is - he's spot on as well about the 7 with 1 leg.

tinyurl.com/2rhd6t

...Now lets get behind them and stuff Tamworth.

[alwaysnextyear]

Glad I didn't go - lousy performance and drunken yobs - sounds a great day !
I agree that banning these 6 from SGL should be no problem, but don't hold your breath. The City Board hardly covered itself in glory last season in dealing with the Assistant Manager, and they knew his name !
As for stewards intervening with racist chants or bad language forget it, and I include SGL in that. I can remember when Police were at every game home and away keeping law and order, and they had the power ( both legally and physically ) and authority to sort it out. Sadly crowd control is done very much on the cheap these days and you can have as many " trained " people directors with flourescent jackets and walkie talkies as you like, but they don't and never will replace a police presence. What power do stewards really have to sort out the " real " troublemakers ?

[DazaB]

i did state in my previous post and i will do so again i think only 5 of them should be banned as one of them is a nice lad who comes to every game home and away and was not involved in any of the incidents, he just drank with them, didnt actually do anything wrong and he is a good mate of mine.

[cg]

admin said:

i did state in my previous post and i will do so again i think only 5 of them should be banned as one of them is a nice lad who comes to every game home and away and was not involved in any of the incidents, he just drank with them, didnt actually do anything wrong and he is a good mate of mine.

That is a good point Mazey. If he is a mate of yours and wasn't involved in the incidents could you get names and addresses off him of the others?

[cg]

alwaysnextyear said:

Glad I didn't go - lousy performance and drunken yobs - sounds a great day !
I agree that banning these 6 from SGL should be no problem, but don't hold your breath. The City Board hardly covered itself in glory last season in dealing with the assistant Manager, and they knew his name !
As for stewards intervening with racist chants or bad language forget it, and I include SGL in that. I can remember when Police were at every game home and away keeping law and order, and they had the power ( both legally and physically ) and authority to sort it out. Sadly crowd control is done very much on the cheap these days and you can have as many " trained " people directors with flourescent jackets and walkie talkies as you like, but they don't and never will replace a police presence. What power do stewards really have to sort out the " real " troublemakers ?

That is undeniably true about the assistant manager - which is why it was so important for the club to be seen to deal with the situation - and didn't - hence, to outsiders in particular, it just looks like a free for all.

A couple of years ago I complained to a steward about a group (4 or 5) Lancaster supporters who who abusing City fans making their way around the ground from the Brookside near the end of the game. I might be a "f****** wa*****" but I don't need telling in front of a 10 year-old lad who was with us. The steward did nothing - but one fan didn't ignore them and it nearly caused a ruck. Stewards have to be trained to act - simple as that - or else they serve no purpose.

As for baning these louts - well, this is a test of some of the family friendly initiatives raised at last week's forum. If evidence is gathered from fellow City supporters who were at Alfreton those idiots can be prevented from bawling any racist abuse in particular on home soil - otherwise the club cannot expect families from black, Asian Chinese extraction to venture down the Lane - or the manager to want to continue in his role!

[gobby cow]

I am shocked to hear of the fans behaviour, I am appalled that AP was subjected to racial abuse from anyone let alone his own fans. As for calling for the board to be sacked - what a load of tosh. The board dont interfere in the team AP takes whole responsibility and besides they arent a bad bunch.

I dont know what is happening to the lads and why AP is not inspiring them. It is not because we have crap players because we dont. We do have some whose commitment I would question but noones talent. I do think that Smudger is not captain material and Macca would be better suited. AP cant stop players being injured or ill, and the players he has brought in are fine players. they just need to find some team spirit and some motivation.

I just hope they can sort themselves out before the Tamworth match. They need to believe in themselves. I know they can wallop them, and have a good cup run and finish in the play offs. They just need to believe it too.

[carsten]

I think we are in danger of getting into chinese whispers here. I am not aware of AP being racially abused and i havent read in this thread of this happening.
On the subject of the players I think they are okay but hardly the greatest. It might come back to Wakefields ppoints about where we get players from. Are we getting the 'best of the rest' of non-league players who arent able to get a first team place at a like for like club in the North? at the expense of possibly finding the best Midlands based non league players? I only say that as I would imagine given a choice of playing for a BSN club on your doorstep and playing for one 100 miles away you'd opt for the one on your doorstep first.

[Fenners]

The racist comments that were heard at the football on Saturday were not aimed at AP but the Alfreton Goalkeeper.
Just to get this matter clear.

[wh]

leighbakerwcfc said:

The racist comments that were heard at the football on Saturday were not aimed at AP but the Alfreton Goalkeeper.
Just to get this matter clear.

I thought I heard the chant "You FAT Bast...." not Black,
could be wrong though

[cg]

I meant that if I were one of (sadly few) black managers in the country hearing fans of the club I was managing racially abusing players (of whichever team) or anyone in the ground for that matter I wouldn't feel particularly kind towards them.... especially if they were slinging all kinds of abuse my way anyhow.

I'm not calling for fans to be banned on thw basis of chinese whispers - that is why I believe the facts need to be ascertained before action is taken - and action should be taken to ban these idiots.

As GC says - what these fools think the board can do Lord knows but then it sounds as if everyone was getting stixk so there is no point rationalising.

[Fenners]

wh said:

leighbakerwcfc said:

The racist comments that were heard at the football on Saturday were not aimed at AP but the Alfreton Goalkeeper.
Just to get this matter clear.

I thought I heard the chant "You FAT Bast...." not Black,
could be wrong though

This chant was in the first half just after us scoring and about 5 mins before half time, many people complained to stewards but nothing happened.

[lee17]

it was at first black and then fat. There was also a chant of "who is the monkey in the goal" in the pub it was "i would rather be a p*** than a manc" I could not believe what i was hearing. I am not trying to stir things up, i am just so angry and so embaressed about what happened on saturday and i know a number of others are too.

[StopfordianWCFC]

lee17 said:

it was at first black and then fat. There was also a chant of "who is the monkey in the goal" in the pub it was "i would rather be a p*** than a manc" I could not believe what i was hearing. I am not trying to stir things up, i am just so angry and so embaressed about what happened on saturday and i know a number of others are too.

Thats outrageous on a number of levels

[Tim Munslow]

Not a good day all round by the sound of it; I'm glad I didn't go.

[DazaB]

wh said:

leighbakerwcfc said:

The racist comments that were heard at the football on Saturday were not aimed at AP but the Alfreton Goalkeeper.
Just to get this matter clear.

I thought I heard the chant "You FAT Bast...." not Black,
could be wrong though

it was both and also a chant of whos the monkey between the sticks

[DazaB]

as for names, ask the supporters club seen as they would have had everyone on the bus' name down

[phot0man]

Anyone who attended the match should go to

www.photoloca.com/3011

Album title "find the drunken yobs"

If needed these pics can be downloaded.
You can blow them up to full screen whilst viewing by clicking on the centre of the photo - I've added this facility just for these photos.

These "fans" should be banned from SGL for life there's no excuse !

[DazaB]

they can only be seen in numbers 3 and 2 but you can't see them very clearly.

[wh]

phot0man said:

Anyone who attended the match should go to

www.photoloca.com/3011

Album title "find the drunken yobs"

If needed these pics can be downloaded.
You can blow them up to full screen whilst viewing by clicking on the centre of the photo - I've added this facility just for these photos.

These "fans" should be banned from SGL for life there's no excuse !

The vile language I heard (not racist but constant "F***'s" & "C***'s") from an older person, came from the row to the left of Kieran on photo 4

From the bottom right is me (looking for "press this" button on camera) then Rob and Kieran, then further along that row was where the constant abuse came from. (Im not sure who it was but I knew the area it was coming from)