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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Feb 13, 2020 23:10:45 GMT
This is all a bit worrying. So, even though the team put in as much effort as was possible, they still could not beat a team from the league below over 4 hours of football? The comments above make it sound like City were the plucky underdogs giving their all above higher grade opposition. It appears, on balance, that over two games home and away, Atherstone were indeed the better of the two sides, and that surely should not have been the case? So what went wrong? Was it a lack of preparation? This can happen when playing lower rated opposition, I imagine that Atherstone were sounded out a couple of times before the first game? Was it game plan? Or lack of?
I agree with the above, a manager has every right to show passion and emotion , especially if being faced with negativity. And to be honest, there isn't a lot, if anything at all, that a manager can do during a match in the dugouts. I know for fact that players don't actually take any notice of instructions barked out at them (many a time Selb has told me that he just used to wave back and mutter "f**k off" under his breath and get on with his game!) So managers have a choice, either sit in silence and get pilloried for not shouting, or show a bit of passion, and that's not a problem. Anyway Vincent sounds like a pussycat! Jock Morrison raced up into the stands, and grabbed me around the neck........only it wasn't me, it was my brother!! Oooops!!
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Post by jupu on Feb 14, 2020 19:06:23 GMT
No, it's not worrying, just disappointing. The simple truth is that, even though they play one division below us, Atherstone are a decent side, as good as any in the MFL Premier. With better finishing we could have won both games against them, if we had then the best team would have lost.
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Post by simples on Feb 14, 2020 23:12:24 GMT
This was my first game since we dropped out of National North, the thought of a Wembley final enticing me out. Yes the result was disappointing. Atherstone knocked the ball around and created several chances which were kept out by good keeping and defensive blocks, their goal coming from a fine strike that went in off the post after a clearance fell to their goalscorer about 30 yards out. City battled throughout and drew level just before half time. They had chances themselves but were denied by the post and bar. While City finished the stronger a draw seemed a fair result and ultimately were denied in the penalty shoot out.
On the negative side Atherstone didn't need much encouragement to go down clutching face, legs whatever to halt the play and knock any impetus out of the game. For large parts of it it was played at their pace. It was only the second period of extra time that City appeared to be pushing on. With hindsight it is easy to suggest what if this had happened sooner?
While the result was disappointing I would hope that a lot of the team would be retained for next season. They appear young and with another years experience under their belts might be able to make a bigger push in the league.
On the positive side when was the last time we had a run in a National Cup competition (the Trophy) that lasted until February?
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Post by The sound and the fury on Feb 15, 2020 13:30:15 GMT
On the positive side when was the last time we had a run in a National Cup competition (the Trophy) that lasted until February? Last century!! |
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Feb 15, 2020 13:32:49 GMT
No, it's not worrying, just disappointing. The simple truth is that, even though they play one division below us, Atherstone are a decent side, as good as any in the MFL Premier. With better finishing we could have won both games against them, if we had then the best team would have lost. Disappointing is losing to a lower league side in a one-off cup game, worrying is not being able to put away a lower league side in a replay, at home, having given 100% of effort. Disappointing is coming away from places like West Molesley, or Mangotsfield having lost, but knowing that there was a massive lack of effort. And Atherstone aren't even the best in their league !! Leicester Road and even Uttoxeter Town, must be something else!! |
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Post by The sound and the fury on Feb 15, 2020 13:47:22 GMT
This is all a bit worrying. So, even though the team put in as much effort as was possible, they still could not beat a team from the league below over 4 hours of football? Down at this level of football there is very little difference, if any, between the league above ours and the league below, they're all win one week lose the next and pretty much interchangeable. Southern Prem is better, a lot better, and Midland League Div 2 and equivalent is a lot worse, but you could mix up Southern Mid, Midland League Prem and Midland League One without anyone really noticing a drop in quality. Atherstone were probably the best team we've played all season in all honesty, and would be right up there. In much the same way that in the last two seasons Walsall Wood and Heather have come up and done well immediately, the standard in the Midland League is generally higher. |
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Post by The sound and the fury on Feb 15, 2020 13:48:56 GMT
No, it's not worrying, just disappointing. The simple truth is that, even though they play one division below us, Atherstone are a decent side, as good as any in the MFL Premier. With better finishing we could have won both games against them, if we had then the best team would have lost. Disappointing is losing to a lower league side in a one-off cup game, worrying is not being able to put away a lower league side in a replay, at home, having given 100% of effort. Disappointing is coming away from places like West Molesley, or Mangotsfield having lost, but knowing that there was a massive lack of effort. And Atherstone aren't even the best in their league !! Leicester Road and even Uttoxeter Town, must be something else!! Atherstone have about 116 games in hand and will go top when they win them. Yes Leicester Road and Uttoxeter are both very useful teams too. |
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Post by cris on Feb 15, 2020 15:12:05 GMT
This is all a bit worrying. So, even though the team put in as much effort as was possible, they still could not beat a team from the league below over 4 hours of football? The comments above make it sound like City were the plucky underdogs giving their all above higher grade opposition. It appears, on balance, that over two games home and away, Atherstone were indeed the better of the two sides, and that surely should not have been the case? So what went wrong? Was it a lack of preparation? This can happen when playing lower rated opposition, I imagine that Atherstone were sounded out a couple of times before the first game? Was it game plan? Or lack of? I agree with the above, a manager has every right to show passion and emotion , especially if being faced with negativity. And to be honest, there isn't a lot, if anything at all, that a manager can do during a match in the dugouts. I know for fact that players don't actually take any notice of instructions barked out at them (many a time Selb has told me that he just used to wave back and mutter "f**k off" under his breath and get on with his game!) So managers have a choice, either sit in silence and get pilloried for not shouting, or show a bit of passion, and that's not a problem. Anyway Vincent sounds like a pussycat! Jock Morrison raced up into the stands, and grabbed me around the neck........only it wasn't me, it was my brother!! Oooops!! I wouldn’t be too worried, the top teams in the MFL1 are as good as most of the Prem, it’s probably the strongest step 6 league in the country. If you look at teams who recently promoted from MFL1 Bromsgrove and Ilkeston went straight through the Prem and Walsall Wood, Heather and Cov Utd are all challenging this year. With four coming up this year it’s likely a few will be challenging for the Prem next year. Not that will impact Worcester with your likely sideways to the Hellenic, which is significantly weaker than the Mid Prem and I’d expect you to challenge with anything close to this years squad. |
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Post by jupu on Feb 15, 2020 17:26:32 GMT
This is all a bit worrying. So, even though the team put in as much effort as was possible, they still could not beat a team from the league below over 4 hours of football? The comments above make it sound like City were the plucky underdogs giving their all above higher grade opposition. It appears, on balance, that over two games home and away, Atherstone were indeed the better of the two sides, and that surely should not have been the case? So what went wrong? Was it a lack of preparation? This can happen when playing lower rated opposition, I imagine that Atherstone were sounded out a couple of times before the first game? Was it game plan? Or lack of? I agree with the above, a manager has every right to show passion and emotion , especially if being faced with negativity. And to be honest, there isn't a lot, if anything at all, that a manager can do during a match in the dugouts. I know for fact that players don't actually take any notice of instructions barked out at them (many a time Selb has told me that he just used to wave back and mutter "f**k off" under his breath and get on with his game!) So managers have a choice, either sit in silence and get pilloried for not shouting, or show a bit of passion, and that's not a problem. Anyway Vincent sounds like a pussycat! Jock Morrison raced up into the stands, and grabbed me around the neck........only it wasn't me, it was my brother!! Oooops!! I wouldn’t be too worried, the top teams in the MFL1 are as good as most of the Prem, it’s probably the strongest step 6 league in the country. If you look at teams who recently promoted from MFL1 Bromsgrove and Ilkeston went straight through the Prem and Walsall Wood, Heather and Cov Utd are all challenging this year. With four coming up this year it’s likely a few will be challenging for the Prem next year. Not that will impact Worcester with your likely sideways to the Hellenic, which is significantly weaker than the Mid Prem and I’d expect you to challenge with anything close to this years squad. Have the club announced that we're moving to the Hellenic League or is it no more than a rumour at this stage? Where does it originate from? |
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Post by The sound and the fury on Feb 15, 2020 17:47:23 GMT
I wouldn’t be too worried, the top teams in the MFL1 are as good as most of the Prem, it’s probably the strongest step 6 league in the country. If you look at teams who recently promoted from MFL1 Bromsgrove and Ilkeston went straight through the Prem and Walsall Wood, Heather and Cov Utd are all challenging this year. With four coming up this year it’s likely a few will be challenging for the Prem next year. Not that will impact Worcester with your likely sideways to the Hellenic, which is significantly weaker than the Mid Prem and I’d expect you to challenge with anything close to this years squad. Have the club announced that we're moving to the Hellenic League or is it no more than a rumour at this stage? Where does it originate from? That non-league changes thing that comes out about this time every year has got various changes. All very subjective and depends on current league positions re. promotions etc and subsequent sideways moves, but it has us going Hellenic, which suits me just fine. |
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Post by genghis on Feb 15, 2020 17:59:38 GMT
On the positive side when was the last time we had a run in a National Cup competition (the Trophy) that lasted until February? Last century!! Last millennium, even. |
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Post by The Verner on Feb 15, 2020 19:47:23 GMT
Have the club announced that we're moving to the Hellenic League or is it no more than a rumour at this stage? Where does it originate from? That non-league changes thing that comes out about this time every year has got various changes. All very subjective and depends on current league positions re. promotions etc and subsequent sideways moves, but it has us going Hellenic, which suits me just fine. No it doesnt according to what the FA have released. Bromsgrove is highlighted in the MFL. The Hellenic goes up as far as Gloucester. Worcester currently is not covered by either league so as it stands....weve no idea which league we will be in. Starting the season at Bromsgrove or Claines Lane will make the difference. Moving Hellenic is all good but what chance would we have on holding onto majority of squad if we went further south? |
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Post by medici on Feb 15, 2020 20:27:17 GMT
Disappointing is losing to a lower league side in a one-off cup game, worrying is not being able to put away a lower league side in a replay, at home, having given 100% of effort. Disappointing is coming away from places like West Molesley, or Mangotsfield having lost, but knowing that there was a massive lack of effort. And Atherstone aren't even the best in their league !! Leicester Road and even Uttoxeter Town, must be something else!! Atherstone have about 116 games in hand and will go top when they win them. Yes Leicester Road and Uttoxeter are both very useful teams too. Six games in hand, and if they win them all , they'll go second. I'm thinking that, we are at a place in the league structure now where, to be honest, there isn't going to be a massive difference between any of the leagues. Yes, half the teams in the league below could compete in our league, and god knows how that pans out through the myriad of other leagues. I'd be very happy with a move to the Hellenic League. Burnham and Windsor (and Virginia Water) right on my doorstep!! |
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Post by cloud on Feb 15, 2020 20:37:25 GMT
....... starting the season at Bromsgrove or Claines Lane.
Eh?
The board said we would be playing at Claines Lane.
Has something happened verner?
To get new people on board - I've been saying to everyone bored enough to listen that "we wil be back in Worcester next season. Please come along."
Is that now in doubt? Please say no.
OMG.
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Post by The Verner on Feb 15, 2020 20:59:12 GMT
....... starting the season at Bromsgrove or Claines Lane. Eh? The board said we would be playing at Claines Lane. Has something happened verner? I've been saying to everyone bored enough to listen that we wil be back in Worcester next season. Is that now in doubt? I mean currently they have Bromsgrove highlighted (as we are there and that's how projections are done). So being in Worcester will change the shape of one of those areas, does the MFL go further South or does the Hellenic go further North? Promotions and Relegations also come into play. |
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Post by cloud on Feb 15, 2020 21:06:48 GMT
OK so it is clear we will be at claines. That's great.
We just have no clue what league we are playing in next year.
Thanks for clearing the Claines bit up Verner.
While I'm here, just watched the Stanty vid. What a player. My hero. I thought Barty was crazy bringing him in. But wow what a partnership he made with Mo.
Live on BBC for the fac draw after the game. Oh for those days again. You don't know what you got till it's gone.
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Post by The Verner on Feb 15, 2020 22:18:25 GMT
OK so it is clear we will be at claines. That's great. We just have no clue what league we are playing in next year. Thanks for clearing the Claines bit up Verner. While I'm here, just watched the Stanty vid. What a player. My hero. I thought Barty was crazy bringing him in. But wow what a partnership he made with Mo. Live on BBC for the fac draw after the game. Oh for those days again. You don't know what you got till it's gone. I never liked Darren Middleton that much (apart from the season he was in fine form) but would love him in our team nowadays |
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Post by City4Eva on Feb 15, 2020 22:28:31 GMT
Apparently gamed stopped at Stafford vs Atherstone today due to racial abuse from Atherstone supporters!!! How are these cave men getting away with it?  ? Sounds like manager and secretary have resigned?? |
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Post by cloud on Feb 15, 2020 22:29:02 GMT
Middy was absolute class. Vision, time and composure. Anyone from WCFC who has an appearance on soccer am is OK in my book.
As for Atherstone, let's let it go. We lost to them, deservedly. If they have problems, let's hope they sort them out.
They're on the way up, so we probably won't play them again for a generation.
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Post by jonnyred on Feb 15, 2020 23:38:19 GMT
Apparently gamed stopped at Stafford vs Atherstone today due to racial abuse from Atherstone supporters!!! How are these cave men getting away with it? ? Sounds like manager and secretary have resigned?? They should be kicked out of the Vase..they have previous for trouble from a few years back when they played Barrow in the FA Cup...its harsh on the decent fans they have and I was happily chatting to a few of them last saturday along the opposite side of the ground to where all the troublemakers were, but we kept our house in order on Wednesday night and have dealt with the issues that went on in the appropriate manner so how come they havent? Also...its been noticed that during this past week or so that a few individuals from Heather have been cosying up to Atherstone on the twitter pages and sticking their oar into us as well... all leaves quite a sour taste in the mouth for my liking. |
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Post by jonnyred on Feb 16, 2020 0:04:06 GMT
Feel a bit for him to be fair but can't blame him... |
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Post by Woodenose on Feb 16, 2020 9:11:10 GMT
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Post by Tim Munslow on Feb 17, 2020 16:43:01 GMT
They obviously do have a problem with a few hardcore nuts: let's hope for their sake they sort it out. If there's trouble when they play Consett what will the FA do then?
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Post by City4Eva on Feb 18, 2020 12:37:01 GMT
Atherstone ex-manager on Talksport earlier. Referred to City and fact they’d had problems for last 3 games. He said he’d never go back to them
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