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Post by alwaysnextyear on Apr 17, 2019 22:02:36 GMT
Just simply another game where the players and management were not good enough in a game where the scoreline flatters us. Defensively a shambles, organisationally a shambles, players in wrong positions, starting with 1 up front ( Lemon ) yet again, ponderous cross field passes in our own half time and again, getting caught in possession facing our own goal time after time, no bodies in their box, we don't work their keeper, Tyler Weir starts left midfield, half time switched to right midfield, then when Bates comes on, goes to left back................the list goes on.
Snape and Vincent appear clueless on the touchline, and do not appear to have learnt that we are still showing the same shortcomings that we have shown for the last 6 months, but persist in carrying on with the same suicidal tactics. We can all only be grateful of the points gained up to the end of October, as we've looked relegation fodder for months.
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Post by leon on Apr 17, 2019 22:14:36 GMT
I thought it was a time to change after the Westfields debacle but as the Board are happy with the Management team there won't be.
Just a thought could some money be found for a defence coach?
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Post by dev on Apr 18, 2019 4:16:26 GMT
The Manager is not up to the job - poor result and poor performance.
Mid-table is not acceptable.
Time for a new Manager
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Post by steves on Apr 18, 2019 9:24:42 GMT
The Manager is not up to the job - poor result and poor performance. Mid-table is not acceptable. Time for a new Manager Don’t be stupid. Mid table is perfectly acceptable if it means the club doesn’t haemorrhage money every year. Break even is more important than success at the moment. Shame some people can’t see that. Might I suggest you go support Man City if that’s what it’s all about for you. |
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Post by jupu on Apr 18, 2019 11:05:14 GMT
Sorry but I disagree, mid-table is not acceptable. In a 20 team division we're not even halfway.
Are you suggesting that every club above us in the table is better off financially and our position is what supporters should expect for the foreseeable future?
If so then the 350 core support will start to dwindle.
We pay £8 to watch City at home and for most home games this season it's not been worth the money. We should at least expect to be entertained and just four home wins in the league all season - moreover just one in six months - is not acceptable in my book.
I acknowledge that this season was about regrouping and starting to establish a new way forward. But there has been precious little evidence of progress on the field apart from Liam Lockett establishing himself as a quality player who should be in a higher league.
If we had to go backwards in order to go forward let's hope the backwards part is now coming to a close. Hopefully establishing a new squad for next season - and I think wholesale changes are required - will generate some much needed optimism.
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Apr 18, 2019 12:26:21 GMT
I imagine that most clubs below City are also better off financially.
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Post by genghis on Apr 18, 2019 12:59:00 GMT
The Manager is not up to the job - poor result and poor performance. Mid-table is not acceptable. Time for a new Manager Don’t be stupid. Mid table is perfectly acceptable if it means the club doesn’t haemorrhage money every year. Break even is more important than success at the moment. Shame some people can’t see that. Might I suggest you go support Man City if that’s what it’s all about for you. Unnecessarily harsh words from you there. City’s performance has been extremely poor in the second half of the season, criticism of that is valid. Telling any fan who is unhappy with a mid-table position talk of promotion earlier in the year to go and support Man City is the kind of talk we can do without. |
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Post by leejackson345 on Apr 18, 2019 13:09:45 GMT
I didn't even realise there was a game on last night.
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Post by Tim Munslow on Apr 18, 2019 13:37:23 GMT
That's 'cos our status is so reduced good old BBCHW don't even give us a mention.
As for me I've seen - and suffered - enough this season: weather's fine, got a large garden that needs attention and with my wife ill, better things to do, so I'm not going to the last two home games. I'm also dreading the away game v Westfields: after what they did to us at home and with an even worse team than then I am not looking forward to that result, even if I won't be there.
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Post by steves on Apr 18, 2019 13:57:31 GMT
Don’t be stupid. Mid table is perfectly acceptable if it means the club doesn’t haemorrhage money every year. Break even is more important than success at the moment. Shame some people can’t see that. Might I suggest you go support Man City if that’s what it’s all about for you. Unnecessarily harsh words from you there. City’s performance has been extremely poor in the second half of the season, criticism of that is valid. Telling any fan who is unhappy with a mid-table position talk of promotion earlier in the year to go and support Man City is the kind of talk we can do without. No, it’s not unnecessarily harsh, I’m sick of City fans not realising how close this club is to going under. We’ve turned the corner in terms of ownership, but we are nowhere near saved. Throwing money at the squad has been done since we left SGL and it has achieved bugger all. Who was talking about promotion for this season? No one who listened that our playing budget would be substantially lower than last year. It’s time we realised where we are and who we are. We used to be Worcester City FC, founding members of the Conference and massive non league side. Now, we are not. We are not in debt but in terms of playing budget probably on a par with the rest of the league. We had a bigger budget last year and it didn’t work. If we had won the league we couldn’t compete at the level above. So we have a young, local side now, that we can afford. I would rather we were here in two years than get promoted and disappear soon after. People need to get real. Try getting behind the side instead or shouting at them from the terraces. It will achieve nothing. Yes, we have a very poor of late, but at least the club will survive this barren period until we get back to Worcester and can properly rebuild. |
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Apr 18, 2019 14:12:35 GMT
That's 'cos our status is so reduced good old BBCHW don't even give us a mention. As for me I've seen - and suffered - enough this season: weather's fine, got a large garden that needs attention and with my wife ill, better things to do, so I'm not going to the last two home games. I'm also dreading the away game v Westfields: after what they did to us at home and with an even worse team than then I am not looking forward to that result, even if I won't be there. We get more mention than Stourport Swifts or Westfields in our league, and probably more than Evesham and Redditch. The reality is, when you're at Level 9 in the football pyramid, you don't raise much of a ripple in the media. |
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Apr 18, 2019 14:27:26 GMT
Unnecessarily harsh words from you there. City’s performance has been extremely poor in the second half of the season, criticism of that is valid. Telling any fan who is unhappy with a mid-table position talk of promotion earlier in the year to go and support Man City is the kind of talk we can do without. No, it’s not unnecessarily harsh, I’m sick of City fans not realising how close this club is to going under. We’ve turned the corner in terms of ownership, but we are nowhere near saved. Throwing money at the squad has been done since we left SGL and it has achieved bugger all. Who was talking about promotion for this season? No one who listened that our playing budget would be substantially lower than last year. It’s time we realised where we are and who we are. We used to be Worcester City FC, founding members of the Conference and massive non league side. Now, we are not. We are not in debt but in terms of playing budget probably on a par with the rest of the league. We had a bigger budget last year and it didn’t work. If we had won the league we couldn’t compete at the level above. So we have a young, local side now, that we can afford. I would rather we were here in two years than get promoted and disappear soon after. People need to get real. Try getting behind the side instead or shouting at them from the terraces. It will achieve nothing. Yes, we have a very poor of late, but at least the club will survive this barren period until we get back to Worcester and can properly rebuild. I agree with Steves , its not in the slightest bit harsh, i's reality, and if only more fans, and shareholders, had woken up to the reality some years back, instead of still dreaming about once beating Liverpool in the FA Cup. For the time being, whilst we steady the ship, and put a framework in place which MIGHT just save the club, then mid table Midland Football League is about as good as it gets. We are paying the price for having former boards who gambled on spending more money than the club had, in the hope that a new ground at Nunnery Way, and income from "enabling development" would cover losses. They gambled on a property deal which they believed would net them a couple of million PLUS a ground, and ended up with around a couple of million but no ground! During those years they gambled on promotion because "there's so much more money in the Conference National League!!" but never got close to being there. Success for now will be avoiding relegation and balancing the books, whilst looking to build revenue streams outside of football (something which many clubs in the Midland Football League already benefit from). City are exactly where I expected them to be this season. |
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Post by The Verner on Apr 18, 2019 15:47:34 GMT
People should look at John Stills time at Luton.
He dropped out of the Football League and took over at Luton, I cannot find the article now but he went in and said "You have to realise you are not a Football League Club, you are a non league club now and you have to work to become a Football League Club again"...Or words to that effect.
He went in and changed peoples thinking and set their expectations accordingly. So people no longer thought they were meant to be there (A little like Stockport) but that they had to live within means, start again and push themselves back up in time.
Look at them now! Top of League 1 and on the brink of going into the Championship. John Still got them back into the Football League and the Club have moved forward well over the years.
Expectations with us need to be the same, everyone wants promotion but it has to be right for the Club. This doesnt just cover the playing side, this covers kit, programmes etc
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Post by bj on Apr 18, 2019 16:58:07 GMT
Regarding us not getting mentioned on BBC H&W because we are at lowly Level 9 - Hereford FC seemed to get a lot of coverage when THEY were at this level. I wonder why that was?
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Post by crosscountrymark on Apr 18, 2019 19:34:25 GMT
John Snape and Ashley Vincent have made no progress with this squad since Christmas and little hope for next season with him likely to keep the majority of this seasons crop. Playing at this level is about getting the best squad together with the budget available, and knowing what is required for this league, but I have seen little evidence of this under the current manager for the last two seasons. The board have appointed the current management team for next season, so all we can hope they can assemble a squad that can play some attractive football and get some results to please the long suffering home supporters. The performances and results since Christmas have made a impact on attendances with only 184 last night, I was hoping things on the pitch would improve to give us hope for next season, but things have declined with the management team clueless to address things, is it the tactics or is the players not being good enough. Off the pitch Community ownership is a positive step forward and still hopeful the Perdiswell project can get the backing by the council eventually, but its the football side of things on the pitch which creates the interest in the club.
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Post by The sound and the fury on Apr 18, 2019 20:53:47 GMT
Must admit I'm worried by the on-pitch side of things. We've seen over the course of the season that either the majority of the players aren't up to the standard required at this level, or the management aren't. All too often we are conceding really poor goals, either from set pieces or from people not doing basic defensive work. There's been a spell in every game this season where they look like they haven't got a clue what they're supposed to be doing. When it clicks it's pretty decent, but we have gone a hell of a long way backwards on the pitch since last season. Watched the goals from last night back on the Sphinx twitter feed, and they were even more horrific on replay than they appeared at the time. How the f**k does a 5 foot 6 player get a free header in the six yard box from a set piece? How does a player who miscontrols the ball get the time to recover and get a shot on target? How does a player being "marked" by two taller defenders get a free header in and someone on the line tread on it rather than clearing, and how does a player get the time to have three touches on the edge of the box before getting a shot in? Tell you what, if George Rooney had still been in charge there would have been three players released straight after the game for crimes against defending.
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Post by zeke on Apr 18, 2019 21:33:28 GMT
Regarding us not getting mentioned on BBC H&W because we are at lowly Level 9 - Hereford FC seemed to get a lot of coverage when THEY were at this level. I wonder why that was? Because they were on their up with a large follwing. We're on the way down, with a dwindling following. |
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Post by bethnall on Apr 18, 2019 21:39:34 GMT
Nothing to add it seems.
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Post by The sound and the fury on Apr 18, 2019 21:56:16 GMT
Actually we do know the budget, and it is a small one, it's not a large one by any stretch of the imagination, in fact it's in the middle third of your index above, pretty much commensurate with the league position. It's also not really for discussion here, it's between the board and the manager. And what's more John Snape has come in on/under budget all season, hasn't once exceeded it.
Strange first post, declare no affiliation then start posting wild speculation as fact!
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Post by bethnall on Apr 19, 2019 7:04:18 GMT
Nothing to add it seems.
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Post by steves on Apr 19, 2019 8:29:38 GMT
I will not be going anymore including next season till the management changes and after speaking to fellow supporters 10-12 won’t be coming back either! Like I said, some City fans need to get real. And I agree with Teej, Bethnall - what a very odd first post from someone with no afflilation of the club, just guessing at our budget? And getting it hugely wrong. And yes, we have been crap for large parts of this season and defensively a shambles. But right now, until we get back home, survival as a club is enough. |
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Post by The Verner on Apr 19, 2019 9:57:03 GMT
The budget talk is a load of crap, ignore that poster.
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Post by The sound and the fury on Apr 19, 2019 10:16:25 GMT
Fair point made in the last few sentences. Did not mean it to come over as fact. Was more an educated guess when weighing up the players on the pitch and knowing what some of them have been 'expensed'/ paid when playing at other clubs. Certainly some of those in the back 5. For a start, several who have played for Redditch/Bromsgrove/wherever united are dual reg, just because they get paid x by club A doesn't mean City are paying the same, it's not like having to compete on the wages front to secure their services. They generally only play for City when not selected by their dual reg club. Works two ways, we send players out as well. Only costs us £25 and a bag of chips at Shakeeys. |
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Post by conrad on Apr 19, 2019 21:51:50 GMT
I don't think Snape could manage a curry, personally, let alone a football team. Yes he puts the work in but is very one-dimensional as a tactician and clearly can't motivate people effectively. And don't even start me on set piece defending. Do they actually do any training or just piss about?
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Post by The sound and the fury on Apr 20, 2019 10:44:35 GMT
This is the same level as Sunday league, hence having Sunday league players. It's not the Prem, they're not Prem players. We need to manage our own expectation according to the club's position and status. Thanks to the previous regime, this is what we've been reduced to. The only way is up but to get there it needs everyone doing what they can, on and off the pitch. Three games to go and we can bin this season, regroup and go again.
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Post by genghis on Apr 20, 2019 10:49:07 GMT
Unnecessarily harsh words from you there. City’s performance has been extremely poor in the second half of the season, criticism of that is valid. Telling any fan who is unhappy with a mid-table position talk of promotion earlier in the year to go and support Man City is the kind of talk we can do without. No, it’s not unnecessarily harsh, I’m sick of City fans not realising how close this club is to going under. We’ve turned the corner in terms of ownership, but we are nowhere near saved. Throwing money at the squad has been done since we left SGL and it has achieved bugger all. Who was talking about promotion for this season? No one who listened that our playing budget would be substantially lower than last year. It’s time we realised where we are and who we are. We used to be Worcester City FC, founding members of the Conference and massive non league side. Now, we are not. We are not in debt but in terms of playing budget probably on a par with the rest of the league. We had a bigger budget last year and it didn’t work. If we had won the league we couldn’t compete at the level above. So we have a young, local side now, that we can afford. I would rather we were here in two years than get promoted and disappear soon after. People need to get real. Try getting behind the side instead or shouting at them from the terraces. It will achieve nothing. Yes, we have a very poor of late, but at least the club will survive this barren period until we get back to Worcester and can properly rebuild. Do you expect every fan in the stands to be aware of the club’s situation to that extent though? Sorry, but this screams of elitism and is at risk of alienating the casual fans. Poor performance after poor performance is going to lead to criticism. The fans don’t want to see uninspired performances, especially when no visual effort to improve is seen. I think a mid-table finish after a hard fought season would be more palatable. Instead, we’re going to be left with a mid-table finish with the bitter aftertaste of knowing that the season could have gone a lot better if improvements in tactics were made. I hardly think that telling the dwindling crowds to go and support someone else is very productive either. You want to be only left with the die-hards? |
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Post by steves on Apr 20, 2019 17:22:16 GMT
No, it’s not unnecessarily harsh, I’m sick of City fans not realising how close this club is to going under. We’ve turned the corner in terms of ownership, but we are nowhere near saved. Throwing money at the squad has been done since we left SGL and it has achieved bugger all. Who was talking about promotion for this season? No one who listened that our playing budget would be substantially lower than last year. It’s time we realised where we are and who we are. We used to be Worcester City FC, founding members of the Conference and massive non league side. Now, we are not. We are not in debt but in terms of playing budget probably on a par with the rest of the league. We had a bigger budget last year and it didn’t work. If we had won the league we couldn’t compete at the level above. So we have a young, local side now, that we can afford. I would rather we were here in two years than get promoted and disappear soon after. People need to get real. Try getting behind the side instead or shouting at them from the terraces. It will achieve nothing. Yes, we have a very poor of late, but at least the club will survive this barren period until we get back to Worcester and can properly rebuild. Do you expect every fan in the stands to be aware of the club’s situation to that extent though? Sorry, but this screams of elitism and is at risk of alienating the casual fans. Poor performance after poor performance is going to lead to criticism. The fans don’t want to see uninspired performances, especially when no visual effort to improve is seen. I think a mid-table finish after a hard fought season would be more palatable. Instead, we’re going to be left with a mid-table finish with the bitter aftertaste of knowing that the season could have gone a lot better if improvements in tactics were made. I hardly think that telling the dwindling crowds to go and support someone else is very productive either. You want to be only left with the die-hards? Do I expect every fan to understand the financial situation of the club, when it’s been drummed into their heads for at least five years? Yes. Yes I do. Do I expect supporters to want the “company” to survive and not instead make rash decisions chasing glory? Yes, I do. If you’re the kind of fan who’s not interested in these matters, you’re one of the ones who stopped travelling to Kiddy or Bromsgrove, or gave up when we got relegated. If these so called casual fans are willing to scream abuse at young local players but are not willing to root for survival of “the company”, then yes, they can f right off. It’s mindless “change the manager”, “we are better than this”, “a team of our stature shouldn’t be struggling at this level” talk that has lead to massive losses over ten years. Hence we are where we are and this kind of talk needs to stop. We have no god given right to win this league, to batter these pub teams we play, to have a larger budget than the rest of the league, just because we are Worcester City. It’s not elitism, it’s realism. |
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Post by genghis on Apr 20, 2019 19:11:52 GMT
Do you expect every fan in the stands to be aware of the club’s situation to that extent though? Sorry, but this screams of elitism and is at risk of alienating the casual fans. Poor performance after poor performance is going to lead to criticism. The fans don’t want to see uninspired performances, especially when no visual effort to improve is seen. I think a mid-table finish after a hard fought season would be more palatable. Instead, we’re going to be left with a mid-table finish with the bitter aftertaste of knowing that the season could have gone a lot better if improvements in tactics were made. I hardly think that telling the dwindling crowds to go and support someone else is very productive either. You want to be only left with the die-hards? Do I expect every fan to understand the financial situation of the club, when it’s been drummed into their heads for at least five years? Yes. Yes I do. Do I expect supporters to want the “company” to survive and not instead make rash decisions chasing glory? Yes, I do. If you’re the kind of fan who’s not interested in these matters, you’re one of the ones who stopped travelling to Kiddy or Bromsgrove, or gave up when we got relegated. If these so called casual fans are willing to scream abuse at young local players but are not willing to root for survival of “the company”, then yes, they can f right off. It’s mindless “change the manager”, “we are better than this”, “a team of our stature shouldn’t be struggling at this level” talk that has lead to massive losses over ten years. Hence we are where we are and this kind of talk needs to stop. We have no god given right to win this league, to batter these pub teams we play, to have a larger budget than the rest of the league, just because we are Worcester City. It’s not elitism, it’s realism. The correlation you’re making that anyone criticising the team performance in any way therefore must be screaming abuse from the sidelines is absurd. Many have criticised the team performance, especially in the second half of the season, for many different reasons - uninspired, lazy, overconfident, poor management. You want every single one of those fans to f**k off? Who will be left after the cull, you and a few of your mates? I’m sure the finances would be great with those ticket sales. And yes, elitism. You even subversively displayed it in this post by accusing me of not following the team to Bromsgrove. You believe that you are the real fan and people like me are plastic fans. You were right on one thing, City isn’t special. They’re just like any other club in the league. And like any other club in the league, fans will criticise the on-pitch performance when it’s poor. |
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Post by steves on Apr 20, 2019 19:46:14 GMT
No, I’m not making that correlation, you are. I am specifically referring to the fans that have been doing that. I have been critical of the team this season, but nice straw man you’ve knocked down there.
And I wasn’t accusing you directly of being one of those, I was using the term “you’re” in the collective sense rather than directing it at an individual.
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Post by oxford on Apr 20, 2019 20:54:10 GMT
The truth of the matter,as far as I am concerned, is that watching City,at Bromsgrove at the level they are is not an enjoyable way to spend an afternoon.I don't get much free time so I like to use it as wisely as I can.I am sure I am not alone in this.
Did go today and it was an utterly soul destroying afternoon.
I wish time is tight wasn't played as it immediately transports me back to the Lane and makes me feel worse than ever!!!
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