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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Apr 21, 2018 17:27:39 GMT
Whats all this about? He had loads to say trying to negotiate the Supporters Trust out of being able to see their own report! Attachments:
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Post by stevie on Apr 21, 2018 17:49:16 GMT
Time to force an EGM and vote no confidence in this clown and his mates.
That or we must go to the FA as I believe they have failed the terms of the Owners and Directors test that they would all have signed when joining the board!
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Post by worcesterfan2018 on Apr 21, 2018 19:13:15 GMT
Hi new to this board
Problem I see is that we all need to stick together as supporters. We have to take the appropriate action to take this board down!
We need to speak to the fa and find out what our options are.
Also raise this EGM and vote this board out
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Post by alwaysnextyear on Apr 21, 2018 20:30:21 GMT
Credit Andy Mitchell for trying to ask Wilcox, and the complete refusal to give any answers. He can now see what we've all been up against for the last 15 years.
What is there to hide ?
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Post by Bonzo Bitburg on Apr 21, 2018 21:47:43 GMT
Credit Andy Mitchell for trying to ask Wilcox, and the complete refusal to give any answers. He can now see what we've all been up against for the last 15 years. What is there to hide ? It ain't before time |
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Post by Dodger on Apr 22, 2018 8:49:30 GMT
Whats all this about? He had loads to say trying to negotiate the Supporters Trust out of being able to see their own report! No doubt Wilcox had 'overlooked' the fact that he had a non-disclosure agreement with Hampson! Dodger. |
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Post by thesecondjack on Apr 22, 2018 16:28:15 GMT
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Apr 22, 2018 18:09:29 GMT
There you go, confirmation from the club that they wanted to place a veto on members of the Trust Board from not being able to see the report which the Trust were paying for. And also that despite the due diligence being carried out by the Supporters Trust (to clarify the viability of the football club in terms of whether it was worth investment by the Supporters Trust), the club wanted to see the report first, before deciding if it could be distributed to the Supporters Trust TWO nominated recipients only!
At that point, yes you guessed it, Rob Crean and Dave Wood could do NOTHING with the report, they could not discuss the contents with the rest of the Trust Board under the terms of the football clubs NDA.
What this statement tells you is the way that the football club Board operate. They think that it is a perfectly acceptable for a Board of Directors to not all have access to information, and for decisions to be made without full and open communication in the Boardroom. They might work like that, but the Supporters Trust Board don't! We operate a full and open decision making process in order to make the right decisions to present to our members.
And why do they continue to try and falsely discredit the Supporters Trust by talking about "confidential information being leaked"? Nick Igoe finds this particularly amusing, as when he tried to do this work 18 months ago, he NEVER released any confidential information to ANYONE on the Trust Board, so we never got to a stage when anything could be leaked! If he had have released the information......why would we need to be doing the work again?? The only people who could have released confidential information regarding the football club were the football club Board of Directors themselves!
Never mind, this was the last chance they had for assistance. Some months ago Anthony Hampson emailed the Supporters Trust and in his email he mentioned that the Trust should "be readying themselves to take over the football club" Well as part of that readying, we engaged on a process of due diligence, including financial due diligence. Unfortunately, as can be seen from the list of information that the club was prepared to give sight of, somehow, this due diligence process was to exclude historic financial information! The Board of the Football Club must be the only Board that do not believe that their historic trading should not be taken into consideration when looking to provide a valuation for the business!
But there it is, confirmation from the Club Board themselves. You seriously couldn't make it up.
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Post by Noboddy aka Lord Ealing on Apr 22, 2018 20:23:26 GMT
I can't see a way of working with the board on any level, it seems like throwing good time/money after bad to continue to do so. Surely It's better to walk away from these clowns, forget they have anything to do with WCFC, and start again? They're not WCFC.
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Apr 22, 2018 20:39:55 GMT
Yes, I do believe that we are now at that position. I genuinely believe that the Board were of the opinion that this financial review was going to be so that we could provide a report to the Board, with recommendations and suggestions, that they could either take on board, or reject. It wasn't. Its purpose was simple, a full financial review in order for the Supporters Trust to make a decision as to whether the business had any viability, and if and and WE could invest in the existing business. As I said before, it was Anthony Hampson who suggested that we "ready ourselves to take over the club" Well we tried, but weren't allowed to" Yet again its a case of Hampson suggestion that the Supporters Trust do something....but on his terms! No deal fella....we walk away.
This is now a matter for the shareholders to decide what they want to do. The Supporters Trust appear to be doing the job of the Board, representing shareholders..and thats wrong.
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Apr 22, 2018 20:54:36 GMT
This stuff about confidentiality being leaked? I can think of two occasions when boardroom info was leaked, and the person who leaked it is still sitting around the Boardroom table, yet the Supporters Trust were confident that there was no requirement to place any kind of veto on who, if any, of the club Board could see the report.
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Post by Noboddy aka Lord Ealing on Apr 22, 2018 21:15:06 GMT
"This is now a matter for the shareholders to decide what they want to do." But we shareholders can't have a vote without an AGM and we won't ever get one, and if we did we couldn't win - they just rig it. It's time to stop even thinking about dancing to their tune.
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Post by cogg on Apr 23, 2018 10:54:26 GMT
Ealing is right
Jem, and other posts have suggested that many people are as frustrated with the Trust as they are with the club, the Supporters Trust is a waste of time at present as it can't achieve it's aims until the club folds. Why don't the people involved put all their enthusiasm and knowledge into creating a new club ? Can a 'new build' football club have access to support from Supporters direct ? Apply for community loans etc ?
I gave up on supporting ( financially) a club run by the current board a long time ago but I can see nothing really to support why I would rejoin the Trust these days.
It looks and sounds more and more like two bald men fighting over a comb
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Apr 23, 2018 12:17:20 GMT
Cogg, a new build club can have all of those things, so long as it is formed as a CBS, and guess what? The Supporters Trust is a CBS. So we could easily form a new community owned and community run football club, in Worcester!
That is looking like the most likely option now.
BTW, we are not fighting, taking advice from Supporters Direct, we wanted to see if there is enough meat left to takeover the club, but we won't be given the chance to find that out, so we assume not.
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Post by cogg on Apr 23, 2018 12:25:43 GMT
I'm not having a go my friend, and rereading what I posted it does come over a bit harsh, but I think a lot of us had come to this conclusion a long long time ago...it will be very interesting to see what happens now..
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Apr 23, 2018 13:16:54 GMT
I know mate, I didn't see it as harsh at all, I'm just confirming what you asked.
Anyone can set up a new football club, Dave Boddy set one up called Worcester Athletico who were going to be the biggest club in Worcester. To date, some have talked about it, but no-one so far has done it. It doesn't have to be initiated by the Supporters Trust.
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Post by Noboddy aka Lord Ealing on Apr 23, 2018 13:57:00 GMT
It makes sense the new club being initiated by the Trust, it would give it some gravitas and credibility. However, it's fine for me to suggest such a scheme when I'm unable to contribute much.
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Post by thesecondjack on Apr 23, 2018 16:57:07 GMT
It makes sense the new club being initiated by the Trust, it would give it some gravitas and credibility. However, it's fine for me to suggest such a scheme when I'm unable to contribute much. That's exactly the issue I think a lot of people have. It's admirable for you to say you'd be unable to contribute - many of those who want a new club don't want to get stuck in with helping, when they could. |
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