Lye Town

[leejackson345]

So, even though we won, that was proper Crap, weren't it...

[genghis]

First match i’ve been to in 3 months.

Grateful of the 3 points, but it was an uninspiring performance. Only real detail of note was the exceptionally lenient referee. I saw at least 3 fouls that I was puzzled why they weren’t yellow card offences.

[Bonzo Bitburg]

If it's any consolation the away game was proper crap aswell

[jupu]

A lot of players looked well short of their best, but considering we've had so many postponed games perhaps it's understandable that they're off their game a bit.

If we'd had a different referee Hughes would have been red carded for retaliation in the first half I'm sure.

Their keeper made an outstanding save from Thomas early in the second half.

So, winning ugly, but maybe that's what it's all about at this time of the year.

[Woodenose]

The lads have not played a lot of competitive games in the last month, so it's great that we won today. I see that Bromsgrove are now to of the table after their win today, and remember that we should have beaten them on boxing day. I think there is a lot more to come from the lads.

[The sound and the fury]

It was almost inevitable that the side with the most goals and best defensive record playing against the side with fewest goals scored was going to be either 1-0 or 0-0, that's how football works. Lye were as they were at their place, solidly uninspiring. They wouldn't have scored if they were still out there now. Ryan Rowe's now got an a**e the size of Stourbridge and it seems to have slowed him down a bit. Best bits were the 8 losing the plot a few times and the nice moment when Tommo's shot was brilliantly saved, and Tommo acknowledged the save. That and the bag of scratchings at half time.

[The sound and the fury]

Still chuckling at the irony of the cheer at the final whistle. Anyone in any doubt should be aware that the cheer was because the turgid dross on display was finally over and we could all go home. Was anyone there long enough afterwards to see if the players came over and acknowledged the crowd as per usual?

[thesecondjack]

Didn't notice to be honest - they did applaud those left in main stand as they went to dressing room though.

Awful game and feel sorry for Andy at the Worcester News and our highlights guy to find some points of note in that game... but 3 points are 3 points. 12 months ago I think we'd all have said after a dull victory that it's good points in a forgettable game, I suppose it shows the expectation of us all that we wanted more than just a win today.

I looked at least seasons stats earlier. Sure, it's a different league and we all expect better results this season, but we're halfway through and already have scored more points and scored more goals than in the whole of last season, and averaging over 2 points per game.

[The sound and the fury]

Can't complain at the number of wins and goals this season, but we should be pissing this league. Half the side played Conference North last season or at least Southern Midland. Either they were playing above their level then or are underperforming now.

[thesecondjack]

I agree, but I think that shows the strength of some of the other clubs at this level. Some I do think have very little quality about them, but others such as Bromsgrove have the resources to compete with us, any other club at this level, and no doubt would be up towards the top in the league above. The thing I've felt somewhat refreshed by is that we haven't panicked that we're not top by 10 points and spent money to get someone in to force us up the league, at the cost of much more than we can afford.

[Tim Munslow]

The thing that most impressed me was the performance of the Lye No 5 (Chris Knight?) who looked solid: one to note for the future.

It was three points and a clean sheet: that's got to be good.

[jupu]

Jan 13, 2018 21:41:12 GMT thesecondjack said:

I agree, but I think that shows the strength of some of the other clubs at this level. Some I do think have very little quality about them, but others such as Bromsgrove have the resources to compete with us, any other club at this level, and no doubt would be up towards the top in the league above. The thing I've felt somewhat refreshed by is that we haven't panicked that we're not top by 10 points and spent money to get someone in to force us up the league, at the cost of much more than we can afford.

Obviously Bromsgrove have the benefit of the rent we pay them to help resource their budget.

We can't bring in players that we can't afford, were told before the start of the season that we would have a break even budget. It's certainly refreshing that some players have been willing to drop down to MFL level even though we can't throw money around and it raises an interesting point - would supporters prefer to see us 10 points clear but spending more than we can afford, or doing reasonably well on a carefully managed budget?

[thesecondjack]

I think it was 'work towards a break even budget', rather than a guarantee. Personally I'd rather play to the set budget, rather than panic and increase the budget mid-season to meet expectation of some.

I was always thinking we'd be in for a shock at this level, and anything above midtable would be a bonus, so as a whole, the first half of this season I look at as a supporter, as a relative success. That said, we're in touching distance of mounting a serious title challenge, and I believe on their day this squad could beat any team in this league... so hope these players can do that for us!

[jupu]

The phrase used was "bringing forward a break even budget for next season." To my mind that means achieve, not have an aim to try and work towards. I accept it doesn't specifically refer to playing budget. Are you saying that - from your knowledge - we've exceeded our playing budget?

[thesecondjack]

To my knowledge, this season the management haven't broken the budget set... which is why I'm quite happy with on the pitch results this season. In some previous years, budgets seemed to mean little, and we overspent... I suppose that's one of the reasons we are in the situation we are now.

[Brooksiders Return!!]

But there again you would have no knowledge of that, after all, you're only the press officer and a fan, so no access to the Management Accounts for you!
There was never access to the Management Accounts even for Directors! I wonder if there are still line items in the budget for Directors donations, and Supporters Trust donations, what does your knowledge know about that? To my knowledge they are working at a level over budget which will be offset by external investment coming in for the Parsonage Way scheme, and an overage plan.

[Brooksiders Return!!]

The last two times anyone really looked into the Management Accounts, firstly Celia Adams decided that this was a dogs breakfast and left the Board in disappointment (Celia Adams - serial private investor, angel funder and president of the BWMSCA, the kind of person you need in your corner if you're running a small struggling business) , and secondly, the club is forced to offload all its players, reduce costs dramatically by over 40%, and resign from the league! They're not even part of any disclosure at a General Meeting, the devil is in the detail of the Management Accounts , which no-one is privy to.
There was another occasion when I believe a request was made for access, and that was when the Supporters Trust received communication from Hampson saying ..." you should be readying yourselves to be able to take over the business" so we did, we started due diligence with professionals from Supporters Direct. As part of the due diligence naturally we needed sight of the books, the Chairman denied us sight of the books. Think about it!

[lancashirelad]

Jan 13, 2018 17:49:29 GMT leejackson345 said:

So, even though we won, that was proper Crap, weren't it...

What was the attendence ?

[Croc]

Ahhh overage

[jupu]

Jan 14, 2018 13:27:54 GMT lancashirelad said:

Jan 13, 2018 17:49:29 GMT leejackson345 said:

So, even though we won, that was proper Crap, weren't it...

What was the attendence ?

316

[cityspur]

Jan 14, 2018 2:00:39 GMT thesecondjack said:

I think it was 'work towards a break even budget', rather than a guarantee. Personally I'd rather play to the set budget, rather than panic and increase the budget mid-season to meet expectation of some.

I was always thinking we'd be in for a shock at this level, and anything above midtable would be a bonus, so as a whole, the first half of this season I look at as a supporter, as a relative success. That said, we're in touching distance of mounting a serious title challenge, and I believe on their day this squad could beat any team in this league... so hope these players can do that for us!

So I take it Wayne Thomas and Nathan Vaughn are playing for the love of it
So not exceeding our "budget '

[thesecondjack]

I've no idea how much they get paid... but they're within the set budget.

[The sound and the fury]

Does the name Leon Dodd mean anything to anyone?

[cityspur]

Jan 14, 2018 14:33:54 GMT thesecondjack said:

I've no idea how much they get paid... but they're within the set budget.

If you don't know how much they get paid how do you know it's within budget ?
Vaughn especially can't be playing for peanuts seeking as he joined from a NL side

[niels]

Jan 14, 2018 14:50:19 GMT The sound and the fury said:

Does the name Leon Dodd mean anything to anyone?

Was he Ken's tickelish brother?

[thesecondjack]

I can know that we're not over budget each week without knowing how much each player is on individually.

[Brooksiders Return!!]

Jan 14, 2018 14:50:19 GMT The sound and the fury said:

Does the name Leon Dodd mean anything to anyone?

He was the Company Secretary before John Jordan

[Brooksiders Return!!]

Jan 14, 2018 16:19:35 GMT thesecondjack said:

I can know that we're not over budget each week without knowing how much each player is on individually.

No you can't know that, without access to Management Accounts you can't know that. You can be told that by the likes of Hampson & co. but you, like everyone else, has no knowledge of what the budgets are, and whether the business is within the budget. You have no clue whatsoever what the tolerances are around each line item, what the dependencies are around each line item, and this season has been the hardest budget setting for many a year, as there were so few "run rate"  items that could be uplifted as per normal.

Last season you were wittering on a few times about how apparently our playing budget was the third lowest in the league, and you were quoting figures on message boards like you knew what you were talking about. I had both the actual figures and the forecast figures in hard copy, and you were out by around 40%, your figures were way too high. Because, last season, just like this season, you don't know. So are you going stick your cock on the block and state officially, as Press Officer, that the club is operating within budget? 

[The sound and the fury]

Jan 14, 2018 16:47:38 GMT Brooksiders Return!! said:

Jan 14, 2018 14:50:19 GMT The sound and the fury said:

Does the name Leon Dodd mean anything to anyone?

He was the Company Secretary before John Jordan

Indeed. Has been a partner at all of Hampson's myriad businesses, and always leaves at the same time as Hampson. The patsy has a patsy!

[rob]

Thanks to companies house releasing records for free its interesting to see how much detail the club used to report in the early 1980s in their annual return compared to now. Complete with Director donation/loans etc

click below and type Worcester city football and then click on 'filing history'

beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/