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Jan 19, 2018 18:25:15 GMT
Post by Bonzo Bitburg on Jan 19, 2018 18:25:15 GMT
Bonzo - are you another on here who struggles with simple English ? No, some members are not more equal than others, but some members can offer more to the Trust ( such as Perdiswell design and planning assistance ) through their personal expertise. Inviting those members to a Board meeting just strikes me as being far easier to discuss things and to go through documents than over the phone ! It's hardly difficult to understand. Just graduated with a first in Engineering from the OU so no I don't struggle with simple English. If we are all able to contribute fully then why are there board meetings? Why aren't these meetings open to all members? Boards are information filters, they decide what members should know and what they shouldn't know. As information is power by definition board members are able to contribute more. That was my point before you start shouting your mouth off. Do you know how many emails I've received from the trust since I joined in Feb. One and that was today about the trust board update. Didn't even get one when I joined. Do you know how I found out about Rob Creans (I think it's Rob) resignation? Boris Spassky's dad cos he happens to be my dad as well and he as a Hereford supporter only said it to stick the boot in. As a member I'd have thought that was information that I should have been informed about. Oh and I've never even heard of Mark Newell and Marcus Sparrow or what they do. I couldn't go to the last trust meeting because I work Tuesday nights so I know nothing. How are you supposed to contribute if you're not informed. Anyway Mr Crean as secretary and main trust spokesman not being a trust board member just seems weird and unnecessary especially for a tin pot trust with 250 members.
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Jan 19, 2018 18:29:23 GMT
Post by creaner on Jan 19, 2018 18:29:23 GMT
Bonzo - are you another on here who struggles with simple English ? No, some members are not more equal than others, but some members can offer more to the Trust ( such as Perdiswell design and planning assistance ) through their personal expertise. Inviting those members to a Board meeting just strikes me as being far easier to discuss things and to go through documents than over the phone ! It's hardly difficult to understand. Just graduated with a first in Engineering from the OU so no I don't struggle with simple English. If we are all able to contribute fully then why are there board meetings? Why aren't these meetings open to all members? Boards are information filters, they decide what members should know and what they shouldn't know. As information is power by definition board members are able to contribute more. That was my point before you start shouting your mouth off. Do you know how many emails I've received from the trust since I joined in Feb. One and that was today about the trust board update. Didn't even get one when I joined. Do you know how I found out about Rob Creans (I think it's Rob) resignation? Boris Spassky's dad cos he happens to be my dad as well and he as a Hereford supporter only said it to stick the boot in. As a member I'd have thought that was information that I should have been informed about. Oh and I've never even heard of Mark Newell and Marcus Sparrow or what they do. I couldn't go to the last trust meeting because I work Tuesday nights so I know nothing. How are you supposed to contribute if you're not informed. Anyway Mr Crean as secretary and main trust spokesman not being a trust board member just seems weird and unnecessary especially for a tin pot trust with 250 members. Fair enough.
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Jan 19, 2018 18:31:17 GMT
Post by Bonzo Bitburg on Jan 19, 2018 18:31:17 GMT
So some members are more equal than others. Ok I'll leave it there. How many board members are there? Looked on the website and there's a vague promise to publish names and background bios which has probably been there since the website was launched. No, all members are equal, any member who has good ideas and input to put to the Board are able to do so. Our main impetus for the last few years has been to deliver Perdiswell, and as Alwaysnextyear says, when we sit as a Board, it makes sense to have first hand updates. When the members voted to take Perdiswell to appeal, Mark Taylor was present at the meeting. He'd already been to a Board meeting to give a full explanation of the process. I'm pretty sure that the the architects working on Parsonage Way are invited to the club Board meeting. The Perdiswell project team have been invited to club Board meetings as well. Last Board meeting we had, we invited Kev Preece, as reported in the Worcester News. Its how we do business, its fair and equitable, and means that we can present most up to date and relevant material to our members as often as possible. If you're not satisfied with the way that the Trust Board works, you are welcome to let us know, and if your concerns are valid, then I'll suggest that you are invited along to our next Board meeting to voice your concerns. If you'd like to put yourself forward as the new company secretary, then please, feel free. What's the job description? and how many board members are there?
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Jan 19, 2018 18:35:31 GMT
Post by creaner on Jan 19, 2018 18:35:31 GMT
No, all members are equal, any member who has good ideas and input to put to the Board are able to do so. Our main impetus for the last few years has been to deliver Perdiswell, and as Alwaysnextyear says, when we sit as a Board, it makes sense to have first hand updates. When the members voted to take Perdiswell to appeal, Mark Taylor was present at the meeting. He'd already been to a Board meeting to give a full explanation of the process. I'm pretty sure that the the architects working on Parsonage Way are invited to the club Board meeting. The Perdiswell project team have been invited to club Board meetings as well. Last Board meeting we had, we invited Kev Preece, as reported in the Worcester News. Its how we do business, its fair and equitable, and means that we can present most up to date and relevant material to our members as often as possible. If you're not satisfied with the way that the Trust Board works, you are welcome to let us know, and if your concerns are valid, then I'll suggest that you are invited along to our next Board meeting to voice your concerns. If you'd like to put yourself forward as the new company secretary, then please, feel free. What's the job description? and how many board members are there? There isn’t one, it’s about whatever you can contribute with ant skills or experience you may have. 8.
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Jan 19, 2018 19:30:36 GMT
Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Jan 19, 2018 19:30:36 GMT
Bonzo - are you another on here who struggles with simple English ? No, some members are not more equal than others, but some members can offer more to the Trust ( such as Perdiswell design and planning assistance ) through their personal expertise. Inviting those members to a Board meeting just strikes me as being far easier to discuss things and to go through documents than over the phone ! It's hardly difficult to understand. Just graduated with a first in Engineering from the OU so no I don't struggle with simple English. If we are all able to contribute fully then why are there board meetings? Why aren't these meetings open to all members? Boards are information filters, they decide what members should know and what they shouldn't know. As information is power by definition board members are able to contribute more. That was my point before you start shouting your mouth off. Do you know how many emails I've received from the trust since I joined in Feb. One and that was today about the trust board update. Didn't even get one when I joined. Do you know how I found out about Rob Creans (I think it's Rob) resignation? Boris Spassky's dad cos he happens to be my dad as well and he as a Hereford supporter only said it to stick the boot in. As a member I'd have thought that was information that I should have been informed about. Oh and I've never even heard of Mark Newell and Marcus Sparrow or what they do. I couldn't go to the last trust meeting because I work Tuesday nights so I know nothing. How are you supposed to contribute if you're not informed. Anyway Mr Crean as secretary and main trust spokesman not being a trust board member just seems weird and unnecessary especially for a tin pot trust with 250 members. How did Dad know about it? He's not on the Trust Board? He's not a member, he's never been to a meeting, not even one of our many public meetings, has he? You should be receiving emails, I've just checked and I received 5 since October as a member of the Supporters Trust, including the one about the members Forum on 10th October, and a reminder about the Trust forum a week later. I'd say that you''re not on the mailing list, but you have received the email about the Trust Update, so you must be! I agree that members should have been advised about the company secretary standing down directly, and that was very much the plan. However, someone broke the confidentiality of the Boardroom, and blabbed to the Worcester News, we know who, and it won't be happening again. That was going to be announced with the papers for the AGM. We do also post all updates to the Supporters Trust Facebook page, which you are already following, and also the Twitter page. We always inform the Worcester News, and during the last 12 months, the clubs official Press Officer (aka The Great Gasby) has fed some gossip out too. I'd never heard of Mark Newell before he came to the Supporters Trust with this plan to put a ground on Perdiswell after the club was made homeless, but he came along, presented the plan, and we took it to members from there. I'd never heard of Marcus, but as a town planning expert, he was brought in to join the Perdiswell team. Mark has presented the Perdiswell situation at every public and members meeting over the last two years plus, he must have done it 20/25 times now. He doesn't need to be on the Board to do the work that he has done. I've been on and off the Board for various reasons, including avoiding conflict of interest (which was quite funny at a club Board meeting when Hampson pointed at me and Rob and said "Yes but you two are on the Trust Board so you have a conflict of interest" to which I replied "No, I resigned from the Trust Board" and Rob added "and I'm not even on the Trust Board!") I'm pretty sure I wrote the Business Plan along with Supporters Direct, Rich Widdowson and Rob whilst I wasn't on the Board. Its really not a necessity to be on the Trust Board to contribute, and its certainly not a necessity to be on any Board if you're the secretary. I'm not even sure that Rob even wanted to be on the Board, in the grand scheme of trying to put together a CBS, with a community stadium, a £100,000 planning application with a view to building a new WCFC, it really is an irrelevance. Same with John Jordan, it really was irrelevant whether he sat on the club Board or not, and believe me, John did more to keep the club alive than the majority of those who did sit on the Board!
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Jan 19, 2018 19:39:20 GMT
Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Jan 19, 2018 19:39:20 GMT
I've never known so much interest in our Board meetings! Jeez, we've had Board members in the past who've shown far less interest in turning up for Board meetings! Maybe we should record our Board meetings, then mute the confidential items, and then publish the rest. They'd make pretty decent insomnia videos! Rob explaining when we have to set the dates for an AGM under FCA rules, and accounting requirements for CBS in order for compliance under the Mutuals Public Register. Particularly with reference to the Co-operative and Community Benefits Act 2014, it's riveting stuff! Personally I think we've done a pretty good job in holding regular meetings, mostly for the public, but where a vote is required, for members only. We are always open to more assistance of course.
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Jan 19, 2018 19:56:10 GMT
Post by alwaysnextyear on Jan 19, 2018 19:56:10 GMT
I'm more than happy with the Trust Board and its invited expertise. Producing the Perdiswell plans has been a magnificent effort, and they should all feel very proud. They tell members when there is something to be said, and hold regular AGM's. In fact, the exact opposite of Hampson and his cronies.
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Jan 19, 2018 20:07:55 GMT
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Post by jupu on Jan 19, 2018 20:07:55 GMT
I would wholly endorse that final comment from Boris. There will always be examples where individual members say they've not received emails or seen information that has been put out through various channels. There may well be ways in which the Trust can enhance its current methods of communication but remember this is all done by volunteers. Maybe we are tinpot but we're supporting a Midland Football League club that attracts gates of just over 300, maybe expectations need to be lower.
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Jan 20, 2018 13:36:41 GMT
Post by Noboddy aka Lord Ealing on Jan 20, 2018 13:36:41 GMT
TBH I could understand if all those involved in Trust matters were to walk away and have nothing more to do with WCFC. Hampson would love that. I can't be arsed anymore to counter the "we just want to support the lads" attitude that many "supporters" have. It's like trying to persuade someone to walk away from an abusive relationship. They don't do it. Then one day they find themselves in intensive care, and their "partner" is miles away laughing at their naivety.
We've seen that during the sale of SGL. Yet many don't appear to have seen the light.
However, I can't help reacting when the likes of Hampson and Boddy claim they've done a great job, and that the plight of the club has had nothing to do with them. The sheer bare-faced cheek of these people defies belief.
God help Coventry City. Even God can't save Worcester City. The devil has many names - including Hampson; Boddy; Hallmark; Lancaster; Brown etc etc.....
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Jan 20, 2018 14:14:23 GMT
Post by Bonzo Bitburg on Jan 20, 2018 14:14:23 GMT
I would wholly endorse that final comment from Boris. There will always be examples where individual members say they've not received emails or seen information that has been put out through various channels. There may well be ways in which the Trust can enhance its current methods of communication but remember this is all done by volunteers. Maybe we are tinpot but we're supporting a Midland Football League club that attracts gates of just over 300, maybe expectations need to be lower. If it's a problem I am more than willing to help. If I can.
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Jan 20, 2018 14:27:45 GMT
Post by Bonzo Bitburg on Jan 20, 2018 14:27:45 GMT
Found the emails, spam folder, my bad, apologies. I'm going to go and hide in that corner.
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Jan 20, 2018 17:31:06 GMT
Post by thatloudbloke on Jan 20, 2018 17:31:06 GMT
I would wholly endorse that final comment from Boris. There will always be examples where individual members say they've not received emails or seen information that has been put out through various channels. There may well be ways in which the Trust can enhance its current methods of communication but remember this is all done by volunteers. Maybe we are tinpot but we're supporting a Midland Football League club that attracts gates of just over 300, maybe expectations need to be lower. Julian i have not received any corispondance from the ST in the time i have been a member, not even to say i had been made a member with a membership number, also it has been mentioned at variuse meetings that the ST need to comunicate better & that was enforced by the guy from Exeter City FC, you are not tinpot & most do not expect much but a newsletter or email ocasionaly might help.
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Jan 20, 2018 17:53:38 GMT
Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Jan 20, 2018 17:53:38 GMT
Yes, we did do certificates, I well remember printing them all out from the membership database, this was back in 2004! It would be a good idea to reissue certificates as this could all be done electronically now. Attachments:
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Jan 20, 2018 18:29:59 GMT
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Post by jupu on Jan 20, 2018 18:29:59 GMT
I would wholly endorse that final comment from Boris. There will always be examples where individual members say they've not received emails or seen information that has been put out through various channels. There may well be ways in which the Trust can enhance its current methods of communication but remember this is all done by volunteers. Maybe we are tinpot but we're supporting a Midland Football League club that attracts gates of just over 300, maybe expectations need to be lower. Julian i have not received any corispondance from the ST in the time i have been a member, not even to say i had been made a member with a membership number, also it has been mentioned at variuse meetings that the ST need to comunicate better & that was enforced by the guy from Exeter City FC, you are not tinpot & most do not expect much but a newsletter or email ocasionaly might help. Send me your email address via a PM and I'll try and sort out.
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Mar 15, 2018 22:33:54 GMT
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Post by downthelane on Mar 15, 2018 22:33:54 GMT
So what has happened to the planning appeal? There appears to be zero information in the public domain on this.
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Mar 15, 2018 22:49:23 GMT
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Post by creaner on Mar 15, 2018 22:49:23 GMT
So what has happened to the planning appeal? There appears to be zero information in the public domain on this. Welcome back, glad to see you’re concerned on everything that’s going on. Appeal is with planning inspectorate. We are one of many appeals waiting to be determined. I’d be interested to see how WCC are going to defend their refusal decision and how much council tax payers will have to fork out. While you’re here, any thoughts about the other minor items of interest that have surfaced from your chums? Could you ask on our behalf where the money has gone please? And when the board will address shareholders? We’ve missed you BTW ...
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Mar 15, 2018 22:51:54 GMT
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Post by downthelane on Mar 15, 2018 22:51:54 GMT
That is such a non-answer, deflecting onto another topic.
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Mar 15, 2018 22:58:24 GMT
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Post by Croc on Mar 15, 2018 22:58:24 GMT
That is such a non-answer, deflecting onto another topic. Maybe you can answer the question asked in the other thread - or are you still pulling the usual trick of being Hampson’s hilarious little lapdog?
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Mar 15, 2018 22:59:30 GMT
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Post by creaner on Mar 15, 2018 22:59:30 GMT
That is such a non-answer, deflecting onto another topic. Well you only have one topic so it’s difficult not to stray sometimes. The answer is the appeal is in the system and progressing. As the appellant we have done our bit. Sorry to disappoint.
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Mar 15, 2018 23:02:31 GMT
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Post by downthelane on Mar 15, 2018 23:02:31 GMT
Insightful response.
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Mar 15, 2018 23:04:45 GMT
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Post by creaner on Mar 15, 2018 23:04:45 GMT
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Mar 15, 2018 23:07:58 GMT
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Post by jupu on Mar 15, 2018 23:07:58 GMT
Very prompt response too.
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Mar 15, 2018 23:11:29 GMT
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Post by downthelane on Mar 15, 2018 23:11:29 GMT
Very prompt, unlike the appeal.
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Mar 15, 2018 23:14:14 GMT
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Post by creaner on Mar 15, 2018 23:14:14 GMT
Very prompt, unlike the appeal. The appeal was submitted promptly.
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Mar 15, 2018 23:21:42 GMT
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Post by downthelane on Mar 15, 2018 23:21:42 GMT
Ok
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Post by jupu on Mar 15, 2018 23:37:02 GMT
Very prompt, unlike the appeal. There is nothing the ST can do to speed things up.
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