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Post by Noboddy aka Lord Ealing on Nov 2, 2017 13:16:37 GMT
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Post by B*ue dragonstander on Nov 2, 2017 21:08:27 GMT
I believe it is City at home to West Brom in the Birmingham League and is the earliest known action photo of City.
The shot looks to be taken from the main stand side of the ground looking towards the Canal End. The trees are probably lining Barbourne Brook and that area would be where the Shed would be in later years. I don’t know when the Brookside or Shed were built.
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Post by jupu on Nov 2, 2017 21:42:51 GMT
City v WBA Reserves 22 February 1913.
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Post by Noboddy aka Lord Ealing on Nov 3, 2017 8:17:07 GMT
Impressive knowledge gents. Sad to think that many of the young men playing would soon find themselves involved in the Great War.
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Nov 3, 2017 8:50:00 GMT
I've tried, but I just can't see you on there M'Lord! I know you were there as I remember buying you a coffee at the Brookside Snack Bar, the coffee was god awful even back then!
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Post by Noboddy aka Lord Ealing on Nov 3, 2017 11:03:50 GMT
Were you that chap I talked to on the Brookside, the one who moaned all match? I knew we'd met before.
Then again he could have been Blue dragonstander, or one of the many others who made Saturday afternoons at SGL so special. I miss you all.
And I especially miss the old girl herself.
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Post by auldreekie on Nov 3, 2017 11:48:29 GMT
City v WBA Reserves 22 February 1913. The Worcester City history says that City’s goals in a 3:2 win came from Olympic cycling gold medallist Ernie “ the Worcester Wonder” Payne (2) and City’s first-ever Scottish player, Tommy Dilly. I wonder what the convention was in those days for changing shirts in a clash of colours, i.e. who are wearing the stripes?
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Post by B*ue dragonstander on Nov 3, 2017 11:57:44 GMT
I was wondering the same thing but will go for the home team wearing their home colours. It looks, therefore, like City have just conceded with the two players running towards goal wearing stripes throwing their arms up in an “oh no” gesture rather than one of “yay we scored”.
The odd thing is the tiny figure that appears to be in the goal or goalmouth towards the right hand post as we look. Goalie? Very small if he is a player.
Does anyone know when the Brookside terrace was built? I am going to guess that it was pre 2nd world war with the Shed added post war? The Brookside burgers were certainly made pre war 😉
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Post by auldreekie on Nov 3, 2017 13:04:57 GMT
Up until the First World War the only distinguishing part of a goalkeeper’s kit was that he wore a cap. Different coloured jerseys had started to be introduced in Scotland a few years earlier and also for International matches. So the goalkeeper might be the player in stripes on the goal line?
The one thing that is intriguing me is the line that the two players in stripes are about to cross as they are running towards the goal. That looks to be too close to be the 18 yard line and it is difficult to trace it as the penalty area. It also looks too far out to be the goal area. Prior to the penalty area being introduced there was a line drawn twelve yards from the goal and penalty kicks were taken from this line. However, by 1913 the penalty area (but not the “D”) had replaced this line and were part of the standard pitch markings. However, the angle of the photograph may just be deceptive. The goals would have had nets at that time and so the guy retrieving the ball looks to be in the goal. However, the goal has just been scored and so if he is a spectator he must have quick over the fence to get there! The mystery deepens!
In one of JuPu's programme articles he says the work to culvert the Barbourne Brook was in 1951, the pitch was realigned in 1953 to give more space on the Brookside and the shed added in 1957.
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Post by B*ue dragonstander on Nov 3, 2017 15:58:43 GMT
If you look at the player in white just goalside of the line and his stride length and compare with the distance to the goal then the line looks to be the six yard line. If you look carefully to the right you can just make out the right angle and the side line running towards the goal. The pitch is a bit rough so the line is not visible as it would be today.
It is possible that the player in the stripes on the line is wearing a cap judging from his hairline but I am nit convinced.
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Post by jupu on Nov 3, 2017 17:43:21 GMT
City's colours at this time were white shirts and dark blue shorts. This photo shows our first goal being scored. Between the posts are the WBA keeper (furthest right in cap and dark shirt) and WBA defender, both looking at the ball as it goes into the net. The next two players from the right are City players and I presume the nearest one to the goal is the goal scorer. I don't know if Dilly or Payne scored the first however. The white line is the 6 yard box.
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Post by auldreekie on Nov 3, 2017 19:07:33 GMT
If you look at the player in white just goalside of the line and his stride length and compare with the distance to the goal then the line looks to be the six yard line. If you look carefully to the right you can just make out the right angle and the side line running towards the goal. The pitch is a bit rough so the line is not visible as it would be today. Thanks for that. I see it now - the six yard line. The match report in the Birmingham Daily Gazette of Monday 24 February 1913 suggests Dilly got the first goal in the game: "In fact, in the first half there was only one team in the picture, and Dilly and Payne put the City ahead before the change of ends. Afterwards the Albion forwards showed to better advantage, Morris and Lloyd putting on goals, but sandwiched in between Payne again scored for Worcester."
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Post by B*ue dragonstander on Nov 4, 2017 21:17:54 GMT
Following your comments about goalkeepers wearing the same shirt as the rest of the team and being distinguished only by wearing a cap a fact I had never appreciated before I have been looking at a number of team pics pre 1914 and there they are ...goalkeepers wearing the same shirt and these tiny schoolboy caps. Really interesting so thanks for that wee gem.
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Post by auldreekie on Nov 5, 2017 12:01:01 GMT
Following your comments about goalkeepers wearing the same shirt as the rest of the team and being distinguished only by wearing a cap a fact I had never appreciated before I have been looking at a number of team pics pre 1914 and there they are ...goalkeepers wearing the same shirt and these tiny schoolboy caps. Really interesting so thanks for that wee gem. Thanks. To round this off I am not sure when the requirement for a goalkeeper to wear a distinctive jersey was incorporated into the Laws of the Game. It could possibly have been as late as the major revision of 1938. As I mentioned different coloured jerseys started to appear just before the First World War in Scotland, for international matches and in the Football League. However, this was because of separate league and competition rules, etc and not because it was in the Laws of the Game. ….and finally! In 1921 the International Football Association Board (consisting of the four UK football associations and FIFA) received a motion from the Football Association that read: “In International matches the jerseys worn by both goalkeepers shall be of the same colour (suggest red).”After discussion and understandable objections from the FA of Wales “(suggest red)” was replaced with “– deep yellow”.
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Post by Noboddy aka Lord Ealing on Nov 5, 2017 15:49:21 GMT
I recall that as a lad only international goalkeepers were allowed to wear yellow jerseys. Usually league games they wore green. Then everything went psychedelic and there were those awful migraine inducing zig-zag patterns.
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Post by jupu on Nov 5, 2017 21:04:24 GMT
Lev Yashin famously wore all black, Dino Zoff grey. In the seventies Peter Shilton wore an all white kit but this was subsequently banned by the FL. I am not old enough to remember but I believe the Southern League permitted keepers to wear yellow at a time when the FL did not.
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Post by auldreekie on Nov 5, 2017 21:12:16 GMT
I recall that as a lad only international goalkeepers were allowed to wear yellow jerseys. Usually league games they wore green. Then everything went psychedelic and there were those awful migraine inducing zig-zag patterns. I remember being at Hampden Park in 1973 to see World Champions Brazil. the Scottish FA strictly applied the "deep yellow" rule until at the ground someone remembered Brazil played in yellow. The Scotland goalkeeper emerged wearing a green Queen's Park 'keeper's jersey complete with club badge that had been hurriedly found by the host club. The FA made a similar faux pas when they arrived at Hampden Park in 1989 having forgotten Scotland play in dark blue. They gave Peter Shilton a dark blue jersey. Shilts pointed out the colour clash and he played in a Scotland 'keeper's jersey the only one that could be found.
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Post by B*ue dragonstander on Nov 5, 2017 21:21:06 GMT
I can recall Gordon Banks wearing blue for Stoke on occasion and I think Gary Sprake or David Harvey did for Leeds in some matches.
I think the regulations permitted green, blue, yellow or red as goalie colours but I don’t know when that evolved into the Jackson Pollocks that today’s keepers wear. You don’t mind players wearing stupid kit if they can play but most Premier League keepers are, to put it bluntly, second rate or worse.
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Nov 6, 2017 9:27:50 GMT
For those of you old enough to remember life before the Honey Monster, the face of Sugar Puffs was Jeremy Bear, who wore a yellow jersey with a big red J on the front. I had one of those, which I wore when I played on goals for Dines Green School. This was back in the days when schools could just about muster 10 shirts of the same colour for the team and the goalie brought his own! And if the goalie had the same colour as the other 10? tough s*** really! Typically even if they wore the same colour, you could tell who was the keeper, because he tended to be the fat kid who couldn't kick a ball! Strangely, the first decent proper keeper at schools level I came across was Supporters Trust director Bosko Medakovic! Now he was a real keeper.
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