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Post by darrellbutler on May 24, 2007 14:17:07 GMT
The point I'm makingisin terms of opposition to the merge, there would surely be less opposition from people in Hinckley in forming a side also in Hinckley then there would be in Worcester were we to disband and move out of the City. I wonder if we can ask any Berwick Rangers or Worcester Rovers fans?
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Post by darrellbutler on May 24, 2007 14:17:46 GMT
Only if we were allowed to keep our name, play in a new stadium in Worcester and see KH closed down. I'd accept that. We could use the blue from our kit and the white from theirs. |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2007 14:22:34 GMT
"We could use the blue from our kit and the white from theirs."
That sounds perfectly fair and resonable to me. And yes it did wrankle at the time when Rovers merged with that Berwick mob, but one day I'll probably get over it.
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Post by Tim Munslow on May 24, 2007 18:40:37 GMT
I never made the initial meeting in the Paul Pry myself; but I was at the Liverpool game.
Merge with Kidderminster Harriers? I shall have nightmares all night at the very thought.
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Post by jp on May 24, 2007 19:06:16 GMT
The point I'm makingisin terms of opposition to the merge, there would surely be less opposition from people in Hinckley in forming a side also in Hinckley then there would be in Worcester were we to disband and move out of the City. I wonder if we can ask any Berwick Rangers or Worcester Rovers fans? Except Berwick Rangers and Worcester Rovers never merged |
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Post by darrellbutler on May 24, 2007 19:11:19 GMT
No but it was close enough. Worcester Rovers backers refused to support Berwick play but agreed to help support a new club named Worcester City. A merger in all but name/
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Post by jp on May 24, 2007 20:37:01 GMT
Unfortunately thats not the case, Worcester Rovers went out of existence in 1899, 3 years before Worcester City was formed, there is no link at all between Worcester Rovers and Worcester City. In fact the new team of Worcester City initially planned to replace Berwick Rangers in the Birmingham League towards the end of the 1901 season but that also didn't happen, Berwick Rangers then went into liquidation after the first game of the 1902 season, and a brand new club called Worcester City was allowed to take the fixtures for the rest of the season
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2007 21:33:07 GMT
Why was it called "Berwick" Rangers? Couldn't they find a ground in Jockland? It must have been a hell of a trip for the supporters every home game.
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Post by darrellbutler on May 25, 2007 7:25:14 GMT
I've always thought it had something to do with the pub on Bath Road  Maybe the fount can tell us. |
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Post by jp on May 25, 2007 8:19:11 GMT
Darrell I just get my info from the excellent Centenary Book, like you I thought it was a merger between Berwick Rangers and Worcester Rovers, but that wasn't the case, and I bow to the superior knowledge of Bill cook and Julian Pugh.
Berwick Rangers did get their name from an allegiance to a Pub, whether it was the Berwick on the Bath Road or another Pub called The Berwick is not mentioned.
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Post by darrellbutler on May 25, 2007 13:10:14 GMT
I knw it wasn't a merger. I was merely trying to make the point that people associated with Worcester Rovers had refused to back Berwick Rangers in anyway but would back a new team formed as Worcester City. In the respect it has similar hallmarks to the Hinckley merger.
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Post by jp on May 25, 2007 14:23:12 GMT
Except that Worcester Rovers had no backers when the new team was formed, they'd ceased to exist 3 years earlier, having endured many years of financial difficulties. Had one of the Hinckley teams also disappeared? I have to admit that I had no idea that there had been a "merger" in Hinckley when Hinckley United was formed, just a change of name, and that Hinckley Athletic still existed!!! Oh well.
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Post by darrellbutler on May 25, 2007 14:51:10 GMT
But there would still have been people with an allegiance to Worcester Rovers would there not?
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Post by darrellbutler on May 25, 2007 14:59:49 GMT
On Hinckley, Athletic and Town merged 10 years ago with Middlefield Lane being used as the home ground.
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Post by jp on May 25, 2007 16:55:10 GMT
But there would still have been people with an allegiance to Worcester Rovers would there not? Don't know, would there be people with an allegiance to a club out of existance for 3 years? Not sure, when something goes bust, it goes bust, belly up, kapputt, finito. Did Dave Boddy still have any allegiance to Worcester Athletico 3 years after they'd gone out of existence? Personally I wouldn't have thought so, but I've no record of whether Mr Hughes or Mr Green (proposers and seconders of the motion to form WCFC) had any connections with either Worcester Rovers or Berwick Rangers. |
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2007 17:15:25 GMT
"whether Mr Hughes or Mr Green" or Mr Hughie Green?
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Post by jp on May 25, 2007 17:24:31 GMT
Now thats a clever merger Ealing!!!!
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Post by DrAgony on May 25, 2007 18:54:07 GMT
"whether Mr Hughes or Mr Green" or Mr Hughie Green? That's Ealing Comedy! Carry on, jp.... |
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Post by jupu on May 26, 2007 22:02:04 GMT
To get back to the history theme, it's a long-standing myth that City were formed from the merger of Rovers and Rangers. What's in the Official History book is taken from contemporary newspaper reports and a book on the history of the Birmingham League by Steve Carr, who contributed a page to the programme a few years back. So, I'm sure what the OH says is true.
Interestingly, a book has recently been published on the History of Barbourne, and in there it says the two clubs merged. I don't know what the source of the information was, but obviously it couldn't have been the OH book.
Whether Berwick Rangers were associated with the pub in Bath Road I don't know. They played at Severn Terrace, approximately where the car park behind the Swan Theatre is today. I suppose it's possible they could have moved there from Diglis. However, I think the story goes that Worcster used to have 365 pubs, one for every day of the year, so it's also possible that there was another pub with the word Berwick in the title. Or the origins of the name could be completely different!
Worcester Rovers were so called because they used to play at a number of different grounds. The last one was Thorneloe, at the northern end of Pitchcroft, and there's still a field marked out as a football pitch there today - in all probability it's the same site.
City spent their second season playing there and the third at Flagge Meadow, so if and when we do eventually move it'll be our fifth different home ground.
Maybe we should start a "blue and white plaque" scheme?
Certainly I'd like to think that the redeveloped SGL carries some sort of acknowledgement of the fact that it used to be the site of a football ground.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2007 12:10:29 GMT
"...he redeveloped SGL carries some sort of acknowledgement of the fact that it used to be the site of a football ground."
An excellent idea.
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Post by darrellbutler on May 27, 2007 12:46:01 GMT
Maybe an engraved radiator?
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Post by ojiveojive on May 27, 2007 17:32:11 GMT
......then drop the "Harriers" bit, after all the new ground is in the City of Worcester!!! and revert to plain old boring Worcester City  Seems like this thread has also covered all the points regarding the merger of Moor Green with Solihull Borough. We Moors fans wait with trepidation to see what happens to the name Solihull Moors in a few years' time when all our monetary input has been squandered. |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2007 18:19:59 GMT
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Post by villager on May 27, 2007 19:36:16 GMT
......then drop the "Harriers" bit, after all the new ground is in the City of Worcester!!! and revert to plain old boring Worcester City Seems like this thread has also covered all the points regarding the merger of Moor Green with Solihull Borough. We Moors fans wait with trepidation to see what happens to the name Solihull Moors in a few years' time when all our monetary input has been squandered. Indeed. Like waiting for MK Dons to become MK City. |
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Post by darrellbutler on May 27, 2007 20:02:16 GMT
But there would still have been people with an allegiance to Worcester Rovers would there not? Don't know, would there be people with an allegiance to a club out of existance for 3 years? Also in the Centenary book: |
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Post by jp on May 28, 2007 8:18:20 GMT
As I said, thats fans for you, fans are probably the only reason why there havent many more mergers around the country.
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Post by villager on May 28, 2007 9:04:11 GMT
As I said, thats fans for you, fans are probably the only reason why there havent many more mergers around the country. True and I hope it continues, however, it will all depend on sustainability. It was good to hear that crowds in the Football League are booming at the moment ... just hope that fans keep supporting the non-league too. ... or as I call it "the real football league" |
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Post by blackpole on May 28, 2007 11:48:42 GMT
I'd rather merge with Solihull and watch the planes go past myself. I'll go with that, I even missed our goal there this season as I was watching the 4.28 from Alicante come in ! |
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Post by andy on May 28, 2007 14:55:21 GMT
I was watching the grass grow at the time. Proved more interesting than that particular game of football!
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Post by darrellbutler on Jun 7, 2007 13:03:00 GMT
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