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Post by prestonwcfc on Sept 19, 2008 18:27:24 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2008 18:31:17 GMT
There's no point anymore - the Gang of Four will simply apply stalling tactics anyway, and it'll hold off the AGM. Anyway, I'm not sure anyone would really want to inherit the present debts. There are other ways of doing things, and in the meantime I will enjoy laughing at the attempts of the Gang of Four to continue running a failing business!!!
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Post by dave on Sept 19, 2008 19:27:22 GMT
That is me out too.
I am exhausted from caring and trying to seek change at this Club that I have loved since I was a small boy. If the Action Group are going to give up and let the Club go into administration, then I cannot be bothered to fight this fight any longer either.
From now on I am only interested in the football, for as long as it lasts, and because this Forum will only serve to make me feel angry and depressed, I am going to have to leave here too for the time being.
I tried along with a few others, but sadly not enough people have their eyes open to what is going to happen in the coming months. I have no energy left for this fight, but will continue to work with the Supporters Trust to deliver their aims and I hope that the Club can survive in some form in the future.
Sheddy, Davina, Dave - Logging Off
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Post by suv on Sept 19, 2008 19:46:09 GMT
A statement from the Shareholders Action Group and no mention of the "newly formed " Supporters Trust in any context
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Post by tim on Sept 19, 2008 19:50:19 GMT
I appreciate what you say, Dave, and why you say it, it's very tempting to agree with you, but part of me is now feeling more galvanized into action, and I'm gonna step up my own involvement in fighting the good fight now. No Churchillian speeches just yet , but I'm fooked if I'm gonna let the muppet show destroy something that has meant so much to so many people for so long.
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Post by creaner on Sept 19, 2008 19:52:02 GMT
Makes little difference, the aim remains the same. The present incumbents must leave. There must be a viable and credible opposition to those who would see this club go under for the sake of their own self interest. I believe the Worcester City Supporters Trust, your Trust, must keep this fight going until we can fight no more.
Do not go gentle into that good night. Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Bring it on.
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Post by birdfeeder on Sept 19, 2008 20:24:32 GMT
I am very disappointed with shag for walking away from the fight, and a very weak local press for not doing their job, but we in the football trust will not be walking away from the battle to come. Anybody who knows me will tell you that I do not walk away until the fat lady sings and she is only clearing her throat at the moment.
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Post by StopfordianWCFC on Sept 19, 2008 20:25:03 GMT
Makes little difference, the aim remains the same. The present incumbents must leave. There must be a viable and credible opposition to those who would see this club go under for the sake of their own self interest. I believe the Worcester City Supporters Trust, your Trust, must keep this fight going until we can fight no more. Do not go gentle into that good night. Rage, rage against the dying of the light. Bring it on. Absolutely. The point of the Trust was not to roll out the red carpet to ShAG ( in some respects I have always been a little uneasy of the potential relationship between the two). Its true purpose was to represent the fans and ultimately to try to act as a potential 'safety net' should the board run the club into the buffers. That must still remain its function. If ShAG does withdraw, there may still be other options. The Trust and those of us keyboard warriors on here must continue to fight the good fight and support "the club" (if not the board) and rally people to the banner of Worcester City FC. We must not tear ourselves to pieces just because things don't go our way - this was always going to be a long campaign. I simply can't go along with this 'I quit' mentality. This is the time that Worcester City FC needs us the most, this is the time the players need our support the most, we must not let them down. Trust in the Trust. Ultimately it may be the club's salvation.
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Post by noel14 on Sept 19, 2008 20:28:41 GMT
It was suggested that supporters only interested in football and not the so called politics, based on what? Did I miss a survey of fans as I know no-one who follows City who thinks there is not something iffy going on as someone said to me photos of DB seem to make him look naturally shifty.
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Post by prestonwcfc on Sept 19, 2008 20:29:16 GMT
Totally agree - The trust can now perform it's role of a totally indepentant body and I trust in it's elected officials to stand seperate from any other bodies now that the SHAG are withdrawing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2008 20:51:09 GMT
Well I also have come close to giving up. It's understandable. Often we seem to be getting nowhere. We're up against a wall of ineptitude, incompetence and possibly corruption.
I wasn't going to mention this, but recently I've had a health scare. Around the time of the Bromley game I thought I, as well as the club, wouldn't see the season out. I had an exploratory "procedure" a few weeks back, and as I was waiting for the anesthetic to be pumped in I lay on a trolley and stared at the ceiling. I thought about all the great things and people I've known and those I'd miss if the end was nigh.
Some of the posters past and present on this board (no many of you) flickered through my mind. I'd been thinking the same as Dave and Croc that I'd had enough with the club in its present state. But then I realised just what a huge slice of my life would disappear with its demise. I resolved that if I could I'd fight 'till the death - the club's or mine whichever came first!
Well although I'm still awaiting the result of a couple of biopsies, and I don't want to tempt fate, everyone seems confident that I'll be o.k. So if it's a fight we need I'm up for it. Ghandi took on the greatest empire the world had ever seen - and won. We only have Boddy and co to tackle. Ha! O.K. it's an uphill struggle. But if we just give up then we will definitely lose. But if we fight - who knows?
Without our football club our lives will be poorer. Why not close the cathedral - big drafty old place. And those swans on the river can go as well - they just s*** everywhere. And New road would make a great car park....
How many unique features that make Worcester do we have to lose before we wake up one day to realise we're in a second rate version of Milton Keynes?
I don't know how we fight on - other than try and publicise the plight - but I'm ready to battle until they padlock the gates. We might lose - but I'd rather go down fighting than just give up. It might not seem we've got far, but Boddy and co are sweating. Let's keep turning the heat up.
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Post by prestonwcfc on Sept 19, 2008 21:04:53 GMT
Ealing - quality post - United we stand ........
Hope all turns out how we want it for all of us (esp you), I know exactly how you feel
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Post by almasno9 on Sept 19, 2008 21:11:04 GMT
I think SHAG need to question whether they have got their aims and objectives for the club over to the supporters as effectively as they could have. It's fair to say that a substantial amount of posters on here know someone connected with the group in some shape or form (myself included) and so feel comfortable that when we are told of the financial disaster zone the club is currently in or that the the Action group has X,Y or Z prepared to put money into the club, we will believe it. I don't think that is necessarily the case for people bracketed in the "head in the sand" brigade. They may not know anyone connected with the Action Group, the current Board or the Supporters Trust, so what do they use as their yardstick for determining what is fact and what is fiction? Why should they trust one party more than another?
And unfortunately the decision to not pursue an EGM will, I fear, lead those same supporters to wrongly view SHAG as a group of quitters who when the going got tough decided to give up.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2008 21:21:21 GMT
SHAG are simply not calling an EGM, an EGM which will never happen because the present Board will simply use local legalese to avoid it. Its the benefit of being in power, its hard to wrestle people out of power, particuarly with our constitution. Just because SHAG are no longer calling an EGM, it does not mean they have no interest in the club, far from it. It is not possible to publish what is going on, but it is far from over. And at the end of the day what would be better, take oer a club with £2 million debt and a property venture which will kill it? Or take over a debt free club with a properly constituted Board involving supporter groups? Sorry, but sound advice suggests the latter provides a longer term future. Boddy simply doesn't realise that by staying on, he's doing the shareholders action group the biggest possible favour imaginable.
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Post by almasno9 on Sept 19, 2008 21:28:16 GMT
Just because SHAG are no longer calling an EGM, it does not mean they have no interest in the club, far from it. I know that, you know that, but I don't think the "head in the sand" brigade will see it like that. I genuinely do fear SHAG have shot themselves in the foot with this move.
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Post by suv on Sept 19, 2008 22:14:01 GMT
It was suggested that supporters only interested in football and not the so called politics, based on what? . Based on Supporters Trust members handing out "Red Cards" or putting up "Resign Now" Banners. More fans going through the gates of SGL don't or won't want to know whats happening to our club. They don't want Red Cards, they don't want the banner up near where they stand, they tell us "Football not Politics" or "We're only here for the football" Fans also fail to see the difference between S.H.A.G. and the Supporters Trust, fans think that it's the Supporters Trust that are causing all the "behind the scenes shambles" affecting our club. The Supporters Trust has a lot of work to do to regain the faith/trust of the "ordinary WCFC supporter". How do I know ? I've stood outside SGL (and inside) talking to those fans and they STILL don't/won't believe us.
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Post by andyc on Sept 19, 2008 22:29:44 GMT
Then you work on the margins and identify who you really need to win over. You will never engage the "football not politics" brigade because they simply do not care what happens off the pitch and never will. I have been going down the Lane for 30 years and only recently had much idea who the directors were other than the chairman. I would urge another open Trust meeting to air these issues and to discuss where we go from here
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Post by gobby cow on Sept 20, 2008 8:51:37 GMT
And who can blame them for walking away.
I will not be going to any more home matches until the present regime have gone.
I am appalled at the way Wayne has been treated and I am sick to the back teeth of all the lies. There is not one shred of integrity amongst the present board.
The accounts were (according to LB and TP) ready to be signed at the SHAG group meeting, someone else was told the accounts were at Companies House. I have had written confirmation from Companies House that they have not been received.
The lack of official website is not Wayne's doing it is the Booby's. As usual he is unable to own up to his own inablility to do anything - oh sorryBooby I forgot you are a fantastic fantasist!
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Post by martininbrighton on Sept 20, 2008 18:32:55 GMT
Having just watched the team in a beautiful performance at Welling, beating the home side 3-0, I urge all of you not to give up. Join the Supporters Trust, get active, avoid the personalities, and work with the Trust to take influence then control.
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Post by tim on Sept 20, 2008 18:39:03 GMT
Absolutely. Penalties do count though
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Post by cg on Sept 22, 2008 10:35:16 GMT
That is me out too. I am exhausted from caring and trying to seek change at this Club that I have loved since I was a small boy. If the Action Group are going to give up and let the Club go into administration, then I cannot be bothered to fight this fight any longer either. From now on I am only interested in the football, for as long as it lasts, and because this Forum will only serve to make me feel angry and depressed, I am going to have to leave here too for the time being. I tried along with a few others, but sadly not enough people have their eyes open to what is going to happen in the coming months. I have no energy left for this fight, but will continue to work with the Supporters Trust to deliver their aims and I hope that the Club can survive in some form in the future. Sheddy, Davina, Dave - Logging Off Stick with contributing on this MB Dave/Davina Sheddy ...I always like reading your views and anyway you are a top man. The SHAG haven't disappeared and may not be the only alternative to the current regime anyway. Stay away from games if you like...but not from comment.
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Post by Tony is not to despondent now. on Sept 22, 2008 14:25:52 GMT
If anyone has no shares in the club then get some. Then turn up at the AGM whenever it is held, if ever. Then vote out the present incumbants. To all shareholders turn up at the meeting and vote them out. That to me seems the sensible way out.
Also to those who have not joined the Trust, don't just think about joining. JOIN.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2008 14:27:47 GMT
Correct webbtony - that is the due process, its worth the £50 investment, it gives you a direct voice, and it helps support the club.
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Post by StopfordianWCFC on Sept 22, 2008 14:49:12 GMT
If anyone has no shares in the club then get some. Then turn up at the AGM whenever it is held, if ever. Then vote out the present incumbants. To all shareholders turn up at the meeting and vote them out. That to me seems the sensible way out. Also to those who have not joined the Trust, don't just think about joining. JOIN. Could someone please explain to me whether the Centenary shares count as real shares please? I was never entirely sure what their purpose was. If they do, why did I not recieve an invite to the last shareholders meeting i.e. the one when the sale of the ground was announced by the board. I was also not on the last (albeit ancient and out of date) list of shareholders that I think was passed around at the Trust formation meeting. Are the club's records remotely up to date and fit for the purpose of calling an EGM / AGM?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2008 15:02:18 GMT
Yes, they count as real shares, bought for £1 each they are very real. Mine were centenary shares also.
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Post by birdfeeder on Sept 22, 2008 15:36:06 GMT
If anyone has no shares in the club then get some. Then turn up at the AGM whenever it is held, if ever. Then vote out the present incumbants. To all shareholders turn up at the meeting and vote them out. That to me seems the sensible way out. Also to those who have not joined the Trust, don't just think about joining. JOIN. The AGM will probably be held in November to coincide with start of public consultation for NW ... in an tempt to take the heat off the fools on the hill. but what about administration? the clock is ticking ....tick, tick, tick Im sure babbling Boddy has it all under control! as anyone asked him? But remember if you ask Mr Shortly it will be in the next 24hrs or next week or next month or on the day a pig could fly.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2008 15:47:39 GMT
Milhous Shortly. What a great character.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2008 16:01:57 GMT
BDS mentioned a few weeks back that shareholders can call an egm. Can we also call an agm? This would be a better tactic than let the Gang of 4 dictate the timing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2008 16:09:26 GMT
No, an AGM is a legal requirement for a company and there is a set procedure to calling it, and EGM can be called by shareholders at any time so long as there is a minimum number of shares calling it. In effect an EGM is an AGM, an EGM called be called to do all the things done at an AGM, the only difference is that one is Annual and the other is Extraordinary, I like the idea of being Extraordinary as opposed to being Anal.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2008 17:06:03 GMT
Or Extraordinarily Anal?
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