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Post by zeke on Feb 17, 2023 18:03:05 GMT
With potentially WASPS and a version of Stourbridge/Worcester/Sixways sharing Sixways, is there any time left on Saturdays For The Raiders?
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Post by jupu on Feb 19, 2023 19:58:31 GMT
In answer to your heading, it is possible, but I hope the WFA would have the sense to say no. The pitch wouldn't be able to cope for a start. In answer to your post, I think the writing is very firmly on the wall for football at Sixways.
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Post by zeke on Feb 20, 2023 17:36:30 GMT
In answer to your heading, it is possible, but I hope the WFA would have the sense to say no. The pitch wouldn't be able to cope for a start. In answer to your post, I think the writing is very firmly on the wall for football at Sixways. The talk of playing on a Friday is non starter I would have thought, as well? |
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Post by simples on Feb 20, 2023 22:54:39 GMT
In answer to your heading, it is possible, but I hope the WFA would have the sense to say no. The pitch wouldn't be able to cope for a start. In answer to your post, I think the writing is very firmly on the wall for football at Sixways. The talk of playing on a Friday is non starter I would have thought, as well? Relating to the sixways situation. If there are 2 mens rugby teams + 1 ladies team I would think it would become a rugby only ground. ie I am not sure what is required to add/remove the markings for a football pitch plus swap between rugby and football goals. Would any income generated by Raiders cover those costs? I think the previous regime had grand plans but they and their plans are no more. |
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Post by lancashirelad2 on Feb 22, 2023 15:39:04 GMT
In answer to your heading, it is possible, but I hope the WFA would have the sense to say no. The pitch wouldn't be able to cope for a start. In answer to your post, I think the writing is very firmly on the wall for football at Sixways. But do WFA have any sense, that should be another question? I would not rule out completely WRFC also playing at Claines Lane next season, especially as they would get the extra income that Raiders would bring in. |
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Post by Woodenose on Feb 23, 2023 18:21:25 GMT
Do the Raiders pay ground rent? as I heard they do not. And would they have the funds to rent the "Lane" from W.F.A ?
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Post by zeke on Feb 25, 2023 10:37:28 GMT
Do the Raiders pay ground rent? as I heard they do not. And would they have the funds to rent the "Lane" from W.F.A ? Good point and who owns them? |
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Post by cloud on Feb 25, 2023 22:26:07 GMT
If Raiders coming back to Claines Lane means that the Worcestershire fa have more inclination to improve the ground (steps up to the toilets and more slabs) then I would welcome them.
I don't see the FA improving facilities as is.
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Post by zeke on Feb 26, 2023 10:32:59 GMT
If Raiders coming back to Claines Lane means that the Worcestershire fa have more inclination to improve the ground (steps up to the toilets and more slabs) then I would welcome them. I don't see the FA improving facilities as is. Even with Raiders I don't see this happening. The bank is an accident waiting to happen. I dread to see how the pitch would cope. |
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Post by jupu on Mar 1, 2023 9:00:16 GMT
Why would the WFA be more inclined to improve Claines Lane if there were two tenants?
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Post by cloud on Mar 1, 2023 16:43:22 GMT
Why would the WFA be more inclined to improve Claines Lane if there were two tenants? Because the grass area/slope behind the goal would be a lot muddier and even more dangerous for people trying to get by to use the toilet - if there were double the amount of fans churning it up each season. |
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Post by Dodger on Mar 9, 2023 16:18:12 GMT
I think that any ground improvements could be stymied by the 'W' in WFA. Worcestershire has a few clubs at non-league level so any inprovements at Claines could be seen as 'favouritism'?
A reason also, maybe, why WCFC aiming for promotion would be pointless due to ground gradings at the higher level/s.
We need Perdiswell!
Dodger
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Post by lancashirelad2 on Apr 1, 2023 10:32:03 GMT
I see that Raiders are going to stay at Sixways for at lest one more season, so no ground share next season for City. I do however agree with Dodger, that long term City must aim to get a new ground on Perdiswell (or another suitable venue) in/near Worcester, if they want to try and progress up the leagues. However, if they are happy at this level, then Claines Lane is fine.
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Post by zeke on Apr 1, 2023 16:00:39 GMT
I see that Raiders are going to stay at Sixways for at lest one more season, so no ground share next season for City. I do however agree with Dodger, that long term City must aim to get a new ground on Perdiswell (or another suitable venue) in/near Worcester, if they want to try and progress up the leagues. However, if they are happy at this level, then Claines Lane is fine. Still not sure how the Raiders, Warriors and Wasps are going to co-exist at Sixways? Reading about Wasps, gives no clue as to what is happening? As for a new ground, I would have thought that the only realistic option is outside the City boundary as the Council seem intent on never allowing the club to have a stadium inside the boundary because they are terrified of the NIMBYS |
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Post by simples on Apr 1, 2023 19:14:41 GMT
I see that Raiders are going to stay at Sixways for at lest one more season, so no ground share next season for City. I do however agree with Dodger, that long term City must aim to get a new ground on Perdiswell (or another suitable venue) in/near Worcester, if they want to try and progress up the leagues. However, if they are happy at this level, then Claines Lane is fine. Still not sure how the Raiders, Warriors and Wasps are going to co-exist at Sixways? Reading about Wasps, gives no clue as to what is happening? As for a new ground, I would have thought that the only realistic option is outside the City boundary as the Council seem intent on never allowing the club to have a stadium inside the boundary because they are terrified of the NIMBYS Just a thought. Why can't the City groundshare at Sixways as well? If they are going to setup for footy games no reason why they can't play on consecutive days (or even the same day with an early and a late kick off if there is a clash)? It is all weather and would put the facility to some use. Who knows maybe City and Raiders between them may get a 'footy ground' I refrain from the word stadium as it might rattle the cages of NIMBYs. But where in Worcester is available? |
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Post by zeke on Apr 1, 2023 20:05:44 GMT
Still not sure how the Raiders, Warriors and Wasps are going to co-exist at Sixways? Reading about Wasps, gives no clue as to what is happening? As for a new ground, I would have thought that the only realistic option is outside the City boundary as the Council seem intent on never allowing the club to have a stadium inside the boundary because they are terrified of the NIMBYS Just a thought. Why can't the City groundshare at Sixways as well? If they are going to setup for footy games no reason why they can't play on consecutive days (or even the same day with an early and a late kick off if there is a clash)? It is all weather and would put the facility to some use. Who knows maybe City and Raiders between them may get a 'footy ground' I refrain from the word stadium as it might rattle the cages of NIMBYs. But where in Worcester is available? I can't see how it can work with 4 clubs (including Warriors Women), let alone 5 clubs. Plus anything other than Saturday 3pm has to be agreed with the respective Leagues and have backing of all the other clubs. Not sure that would happen |
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Post by harley on Apr 2, 2023 16:12:37 GMT
Still not sure how the Raiders, Warriors and Wasps are going to co-exist at Sixways? Reading about Wasps, gives no clue as to what is happening? As for a new ground, I would have thought that the only realistic option is outside the City boundary as the Council seem intent on never allowing the club to have a stadium inside the boundary because they are terrified of the NIMBYS Just a thought. Why can't the City groundshare at Sixways as well? If they are going to setup for footy games no reason why they can't play on consecutive days (or even the same day with an early and a late kick off if there is a clash)? It is all weather and would put the facility to some use. Who knows maybe City and Raiders between them may get a 'footy ground' I refrain from the word stadium as it might rattle the cages of NIMBYs. But where in Worcester is available? Cost is the reason City cannot ground share at Sixways. The owners up there would want too much money; it's the reason we never went up there in all the years since leaving SGL. |
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Post by simples on Apr 2, 2023 20:38:09 GMT
[/quote]Cost is the reason City cannot ground share at Sixways. The owners up there would want too much money; it's the reason we never went up there in all the years since leaving SGL.[/quote]
Thanks for the info'. My question was based on 'if Raiders can afford it....' but I am not sure what the 'arrangements' are with them. The other things which prompted the question was I am not sure what Wasps and Warriors are doing next season. Wasps have been accepted and have other ground options, whereas Warriors haven't been accepted which leaves Raiders and Warriors women as users of the ground.
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Post by lancashirelad2 on Apr 4, 2023 13:38:01 GMT
Cost is the reason City cannot ground share at Sixways. The owners up there would want too much money; it's the reason we never went up there in all the years since leaving SGL.[/quote] Thanks for the info'. My question was based on 'if Raiders can afford it....' but I am not sure what the 'arrangements' are with them. The other things which prompted the question was I am not sure what Wasps and Warriors are doing next season. Wasps have been accepted and have other ground options, whereas Warriors haven't been accepted which leaves Raiders and Warriors women as users of the ground.[/quote] Simples - as far as I can tell (as of today) Wasps and Warriors (Men's team) will NOT be playing at Sixways next season. That could of course all change in the near future. So as it stands (as of April 4th) only Raiders and Warriors Women's teams are playing at Sixways. As to the costs involved in renting Sixways, who knows, but it won't be cheap! However as far as I can gather Raiders chairman Steve Harris has raised the money to cover all of the rental costs (maybe via sponsors) for next season, so fair dues to him. If City are content to stay in the Midland Premier League for the near future, they are much better off just staying at Claines Lane. If however the clubs sights are on promotion to a higher league (the Southern League) they need to start looking for suitable sites to move to, whether than it inside or outside of the city boundary depends on the site I guess. |
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Post by B*ue dragonstander on Apr 9, 2023 8:47:14 GMT
Claines Lane will never be a venue suitable for City to rise up the pyramid. Apart from the pinch point at the slope the pitch is dreadful. A decent level of football requires a pitch that does not have such a slope from goal to goal, a much better playing surface, and the potential for more covered accommodation for patrons. The New Lane is never going to deal with these issues. Perdiswell is a great location but has a low probability of happening. So where? One location that has not come up in discussion is Pitchcroft. It has many pluses and obviously a few negatives although I don’t think flooding is necessarily one of them as Bewdley have a ground next to the river and have overcome the issue. Of course there is a lack of infrastructure but that would be much the same for any new ground. Not sure who owns the land but for most of the year it just sits there earning nothing. Access for crowds, parking etc all look good to me . I have no idea what the cost of a simple stadium would be but it could be financially viable with grants, fundraising etc. There is certainly room for expansion.
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Post by zeke on Apr 9, 2023 16:44:11 GMT
Claines Lane will never be a venue suitable for City to rise up the pyramid. Apart from the pinch point at the slope the pitch is dreadful. A decent level of football requires a pitch that does not have such a slope from goal to goal, a much better playing surface, and the potential for more covered accommodation for patrons. The New Lane is never going to deal with these issues. Perdiswell is a great location but has a low probability of happening. So where? One location that has not come up in discussion is Pitchcroft. It has many pluses and obviously a few negatives although I don’t think flooding is necessarily one of them as Bewdley have a ground next to the river and have overcome the issue. Of course there is a lack of infrastructure but that would be much the same for any new ground. Not sure who owns the land but for most of the year it just sits there earning nothing. Access for crowds, parking etc all look good to me . I have no idea what the cost of a simple stadium would be but it could be financially viable with grants, fundraising etc. There is certainly room for expansion. I'm sure that Pitchcroft is owned by the people of Worcester. Some Earl (just Googled, it's Earl Beauchamp) gave it to us in perpetuity. So the council can't restrict access except certain racing days and parts of it for festivals, funfairs etc. So I'm sure building a stadium in the middle of it would be a no go I genuinely can't see anywhere within the boundary of Worcester City being given permission. Unless the council is totally changed to people who would allow Perdiswell. The only other chance is to do a "deal" with the University who could probably get permission to build an abbatoir in Cripplegate Park if they wanted! |
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Post by B*ue dragonstander on Apr 9, 2023 19:33:54 GMT
[quote author The only other chance is to do a "deal" with the University who could probably get permission to build an abbatoir in Cripplegate Park if they wanted![/quote] Pmsl  |
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Post by B*ue dragonstander on Apr 9, 2023 19:39:28 GMT
Pitch Croft is owned by the Council and is leased to Arena Leisure plc. The rugby club used to play in an enclosed ground there so there might be something that could be worth an enquiry to Arena
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Post by zeke on Apr 10, 2023 17:32:31 GMT
Pitch Croft is owned by the Council and is leased to Arena Leisure plc. The rugby club used to play in an enclosed ground there so there might be something that could be worth an enquiry to Arena I really can't see this happening. Its used a lot more than Perdiswell for walkers etc. "Spoiling the view" etc. Not just the NIMBYS would be against it and as we know how weak the Council are. Is there precedent for a football stadium in a race course? |
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Post by simples on Apr 10, 2023 17:51:39 GMT
Pitch Croft is owned by the Council and is leased to Arena Leisure plc. The rugby club used to play in an enclosed ground there so there might be something that could be worth an enquiry to Arena I really can't see this happening. Its used a lot more than Perdiswell for walkers etc. "Spoiling the view" etc. Not just the NIMBYS would be against it and as we know how weak the Council are. Is there precedent for a football stadium in a race course? Driving between Whittington and the Ketch I noticed building activity where the car boot used to be as well as a sign indicating a traveller's site. The latter may indicate the status and priority of the football club amongst the council hierarchy. |
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Post by Noboddy aka Lord Ealing on Apr 12, 2023 20:17:15 GMT
There won’t be room for a stadium on Pitchcroft once the giant radiators are built. Far better to revisit the plans for Parsonage Way.
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Post by Woodenose on Apr 16, 2023 19:22:45 GMT
An application for a 3000 cap at Perdiswell would get planning permision based on winning the appeal for the larger building, this just might stop the locals from objecting.is it worth a try?
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Post by zeke on Apr 17, 2023 10:25:41 GMT
An application for a 3000 cap at Perdiswell would get planning permision based on winning the appeal for the larger building, this just might stop the locals from objecting.is it worth a try? The locals wouldn't agree to a 300 cap. I'm sure |
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Post by Noboddy aka Lord Ealing on Apr 17, 2023 20:18:16 GMT
If the stadium was built on the western edge of Perdiswell near where the old changing rooms were then surely there would be no neighbours to complain?
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Post by alwaysnextyear on Mar 30, 2024 21:03:41 GMT
I understand that Worcester Raiders are looking at playing at the New Dales Vale pitch ( re-sited old Archdales pitch to you and i ) for next season 24/25. I understand that they were able to play at Sixways this year as they were still on an old cheaper rental agreement. Dealing with the Sixways administrators is more expensive.
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