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Post by B*ue dragonstander on Sept 30, 2017 9:39:59 GMT
Just interested to see how many members of this mb regularly attend home games any longer?
There is a second poll for those who used to attend but have stopped on a second thread
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Post by genghis on Sept 30, 2017 11:52:13 GMT
I still attend when I can. Won't be there today, but pretty much 100% will be there Tuesday night.
However, the standard we're playing at is disappointing. If City don't achieve promotion, I will likely be attending less games next season.
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Post by B*ue dragonstander on Sept 30, 2017 14:22:48 GMT
I am tempted to ask where the other few percent of you will be whilst the rest of you is at the match but I won't.
I suspect you are not alone by being a little fascinated by the new level the team are playing and once the novelty wears off then attendances will fall off further.
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Post by Mark on Sept 30, 2017 15:20:15 GMT
Not attending home games and due to circumstances including holidays have only managed the Cup replay at Chasetown away. Scary thing is the less I go the less I am missing it.
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Post by Tim Munslow on Oct 2, 2017 18:28:15 GMT
Still attending: still enjoying seeing my team playing, at no matter what level. In fact I think it has made me more appreciative of just how many local teams there are in non-league football.
Personally I don't think the drop in level has been as noticeable as I expected: some poor decision making and poor passing yes, but everything else I've enjoyed, and with the club being the top scorers in the Midland Football League I'm seeing some goals, which is what football is all about.
There were 378 there on Saturday: we can't all be wrong.
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Post by niels on Oct 3, 2017 12:26:33 GMT
Still attending: still enjoying seeing my team playing, at no matter what level. In fact I think it has made me more appreciative of just how many local teams there are in non-league football. Personally I don't think the drop in level has been as noticeable as I expected: some poor decision making and poor passing yes, but everything else I've enjoyed, and with the club being the top scorers in the Midland Football League I'm seeing some goals, which is what football is all about. There were 378 there on Saturday: we can't all be wrong. That depends on how you look at it Tim. If all you are bothered about is seeing your team for the next season or two then that's fine. However if you are interested in having a Worcester City, in some form, for your grandson and his children, and playing in the City, then some form of protest against this incompetent board is essential. For me the only way, currently, seems to be to withhold my money from them until they resign and let someone competent get on with the job. However others could protest in other ways. What is clear is that attendance coupled with silence on the way this club is being run = the directors believing that you support their way of running the club. |
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Post by Mark on Oct 3, 2017 13:11:56 GMT
Still attending: still enjoying seeing my team playing, at no matter what level. In fact I think it has made me more appreciative of just how many local teams there are in non-league football. Personally I don't think the drop in level has been as noticeable as I expected: some poor decision making and poor passing yes, but everything else I've enjoyed, and with the club being the top scorers in the Midland Football League I'm seeing some goals, which is what football is all about. There were 378 there on Saturday: we can't all be wrong. That depends on how you look at it Tim. If all you are bothered about is seeing your team for the next season or two then that's fine. However if you are interested in having a Worcester City, in some form, for your grandson and his children, and playing in the City, then some form of protest against this incompetent board is essential. For me the only way, currently, seems to be to withhold my money from them until they resign and let someone competent get on with the job. However others could protest in other ways. What is clear is that attendance coupled with silence on the way this club is being run = the directors believing that you support their way of running the club. I agree with you 100% Niels |
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Post by greenman on Oct 3, 2017 13:31:35 GMT
That depends on how you look at it Tim. If all you are bothered about is seeing your team for the next season or two then that's fine. However if you are interested in having a Worcester City, in some form, for your grandson and his children, and playing in the City, then some form of protest against this incompetent board is essential. For me the only way, currently, seems to be to withhold my money from them until they resign and let someone competent get on with the job. However others could protest in other ways. What is clear is that attendance coupled with silence on the way this club is being run = the directors believing that you support their way of running the club. I agree with you 100% Niels And another one here who feels exactly the same way, painful as it is not to have WCFC as part of my Saturday's, the fact that this Board do not communicate and let shareholders know via an AGM tells me that they have a total disregard for all. |
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Post by gallardo on Oct 3, 2017 18:48:47 GMT
Tim Munslow, would you feel the same way if you knew that your money was being used to fund criminal activities? If your going to games allowed certain people to get involved in drug running and people trafficking? Would you still be as happy to watch a game of football?
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Post by genghis on Oct 3, 2017 19:36:02 GMT
Tim Munslow, would you feel the same way if you knew that your money was being used to fund criminal activities? If your going to games allowed certain people to get involved in drug running and people trafficking? Would you still be as happy to watch a game of football? A lot of people who still go to the games just want to watch football, and stay out of club politics. There’s nothing wrong with that. You’re being a bit silly with your analogy btw. Unless you were being literal. In which case, who do you suspect? |
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Post by badsey on Oct 3, 2017 22:05:13 GMT
The crowds have held up surprisingly well. There are little or none away fans in this league our old rivals Gloucester are getting sub 300 gates at Evesham without the away followings of the northern clubs this season. Even in the old st Georges lane days some seasons I remember 450 crowds were the norm. It may annoy some on here but as mentioned a lot of footy fans at any level just don't care about the politics unless their team is losing. Not sure if that's a good or bad thing but that's how its always been.
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Post by harley on Oct 4, 2017 10:44:01 GMT
Due to work and family commitments I can only make a handful of games a season so when the opportunity appears I will go
Is my money keeping the Directors in place? Possibly (see below)
Is my money keeping Worcester City football Club in existence for future generations? Yes
As long as the club survives then, yes, my money is keeping the Director's in place, but not putting money in by paying on the gate or supporting other fund-raising activities will also lead to the club's demise.
It will be a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Take a look at Monarch Airlines, their Directors came under fire for not revealing the company had financial difficulties to customers, but if they had then those customers would have
booked with other airlines, thereby reducing the company's income and leading to financial difficulties and the eventual liquidation of the business. The same could be said of the football club.
I am a shareholder and supporters trust member. I have voted in favour of supporters trust and against the board as many times as others. The last meeting at the White House Hotel ended in acrimony because 95% of the room wanted change and 5% didn't and that 5% held the majority of shares. These are the people to persuade.
I have complete respect for anyone who has made the decision to stay away. I thought long and hard about it and came to a different decision.
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Post by Bonzo Bitburg on Oct 5, 2017 16:19:23 GMT
"Is my money keeping Worcester City in existence for future generations? Yes" Are you sure about that or is it just prolonging the inevitable?
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Post by Noboddy aka Lord Ealing on Oct 5, 2017 17:21:12 GMT
I'm not surprised the attendance figures haven't fallen further. After all, when the petition to challenge the sale of SGL was started by Niels and others, many wouldn't sign it. They "just wanted to watch the football". Apathy rules amongst our supporters. Maybe we do get what we deserve after all.
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Post by Bonzo Bitburg on Oct 5, 2017 17:51:34 GMT
I'm not surprised the attendance figures haven't fallen further. After all, when the petition to challenge the sale of SGL was started by Niels and others, many wouldn't sign it. They "just wanted to watch the football". Apathy rules amongst our supporters. Maybe we do get what we deserve after all. Spot on Mr NoBoddy and what we are going to get is a club slowly going bust languishing in the lower reaches of non-league football governed by a bunch of directors with the dynamism of dead sheep who are quite satisfied with this outcome. Enjoy everyone! |
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Post by harley on Oct 5, 2017 19:05:33 GMT
"Is my money keeping Worcester City in existence for future generations? Yes" Are you sure about that or is it just prolonging the inevitable? Both? If the club survives long enough to change the constitution and get access to funding streams then I'll have helped. Otherwise, it if folds then I've just prolonged the inevitable. The latter may well seem more likely at the moment. |
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Post by genghis on Oct 5, 2017 19:34:57 GMT
I'm not surprised the attendance figures haven't fallen further. After all, when the petition to challenge the sale of SGL was started by Niels and others, many wouldn't sign it. They "just wanted to watch the football". Apathy rules amongst our supporters. Maybe we do get what we deserve after all. Spot on Mr NoBoddy and what we are going to get is a club slowly going bust languishing in the lower reaches of non-league football governed by a bunch of directors with the dynamism of dead sheep who are quite satisfied with this outcome. Enjoy everyone! Are you really at this stage now? You’re both coming off as very elitist and divisional. The old man who still goes to watch the same club he’s watched all his life is not your enemy. Nor is the Father taking his son to his first game. They don’t deserve to lose their club because they didn’t sign your petition. Not everyone is going to be interested in club politics. In fact, the majority aren’t interested. They just want to watch their team play. That doesn’t make them bad people or any less of a supporter than either of you. |
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Post by The sound and the fury on Oct 5, 2017 21:10:18 GMT
I make it 10 posts you haven't mentioned the managers now!
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Post by genghis on Oct 5, 2017 21:32:47 GMT
Nice you’re keeping track.
(I would make a better left-back than Griffiths btw)
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Post by Noboddy aka Lord Ealing on Oct 5, 2017 21:47:43 GMT
Who said they were bad people or less of a supporter than anyone? I merely pointed out that by not standing up and being counted they have helped to condemn the club to oblivion. They might not have meant to, but that's the end result. If that makes me elitist then so be it.
All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
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Post by genghis on Oct 6, 2017 13:58:01 GMT
Who said they were bad people or less of a supporter than anyone? I merely pointed out that by not standing up and being counted they have helped to condemn the club to oblivion. They might not have meant to, but that's the end result. If that makes me elitist then so be it. All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. I get you probably don’t mean it that way, but that way of thinking can lead to an ‘us’ and ‘them’ mentality. The last thing the club needs is division amongst the supporters too. Clubs are built on the back of casual fans. The fans who only care about the football and nothing else. Whether good or bad, it’ll always be that way. |
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Post by Noboddy aka Lord Ealing on Oct 6, 2017 14:54:07 GMT
I think you'll find at this level clubs are built, not on casual fans, but on supporters who get involved, sell tickets, run the p.a. system, organise events etc etc. They've nearly all gone from WCFC. If you depend on "casuals" you're doomed, because if they can't even be bothered to raise issues they certainly won't help when needed.
Yes we are in an "us and them" mentality. People like me didn't want that, but when you're excluded from any involvement in an institution, that's what happens.
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Post by thesecondjack on Oct 6, 2017 21:49:19 GMT
I think you'll find at this level clubs are built, not on casual fans, but on supporters who get involved, sell tickets, run the p.a. system, organise events etc etc. They've nearly all gone from WCFC. Except for the ones which are getting involved, run the pa system, organise events (some great ideas for the festive period going on) etc etc.  |
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Post by Noboddy aka Lord Ealing on Oct 7, 2017 7:42:54 GMT
That's fine then. Lots of fans involved; the chairman is happy where the club is; a team called Worcester City is still playing. Happy days.
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Post by niels on Oct 7, 2017 10:44:41 GMT
I think you'll find at this level clubs are built, not on casual fans, but on supporters who get involved, sell tickets, run the p.a. system, organise events etc etc. They've nearly all gone from WCFC. Except for the ones which are getting involved, run the pa system, organise events (some great ideas for the festive period going on) etc etc. With all due respect Jack there are a few people helping (you and your dad plus a few more) whereas in the past there were dozens. Also the chap manning the PA is doing it to further his career, being from Worcester University's media course. But we've all been there, worked hard for the club and directors and then been pissed on from a great height. As have you, incidently, as they did the same to you, your dad, CityToon and supporters of your flag campaign, but somehow that has not clouded your judgement of them. But just carry on doing what you feel is right and at some point down the line you will realise what we are all saying. There may be a club at that point there may not. The directors are clueless parasites who will use you until they have sucked you dry. Keeps them from having to do anything or come up with any ideas, while the carcass rots. |
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Post by wh on Oct 16, 2017 14:50:07 GMT
Except for the ones which are getting involved, run the pa system, organise events (some great ideas for the festive period going on) etc etc. With all due respect Jack there are a few people helping (you and your dad plus a few more) whereas in the past there were dozens. Also the chap manning the PA is doing it to further his career, being from Worcester University's media course. But we've all been there, worked hard for the club and directors and then been pissed on from a great height. As have you, incidently, as they did the same to you, your dad, CityToon and supporters of your flag campaign, but somehow that has not clouded your judgement of them. But just carry on doing what you feel is right and at some point down the line you will realise what we are all saying. There may be a club at that point there may not. The directors are clueless parasites who will use you until they have sucked you dry. Keeps them from having to do anything or come up with any ideas, while the carcass rots. Sad but very true Niels |
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Post by simples on Nov 8, 2017 10:06:18 GMT
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Post by Woodenose on Nov 8, 2017 11:54:23 GMT
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Post by alwaysnextyear on Nov 9, 2017 7:55:10 GMT
A very interesting read and judgment. Shysters running football clubs isn't news and has always happened - proving it has always been the hard part.
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Nov 9, 2017 11:32:49 GMT
It's hard to prove in any business, but football is such a loose and free business with little governance, and corruption to the highest levels in the game. Its also a predominantly cash business, and everyone knows a tradesman who will do a "discount for cash" because it never goes through the books.
Owners, Managers, Players, Agents, and what are known as Third Party Intermediaries (what??) contribute to the corruption, along with tax evasion, fraud, money laundering, betting scandals, match fixing. And it has cascaded right down into non-league football.
One can only imagine the full level of corruption of the Oystons at Blackpool, or George Reynolds at Darlington, but very little can be done about it. Oyston faced civil proceeedings brought by Belokon, who can afford to take the action, most shareholders of small clubs, or supporters, can't. Ironically, Belokon himself is disqualified from being a director at Blackpool because of convictions for money laundering!!
This is football! And for the benefit of Dragon and Downthelane, I'm not suggesting that this is going on at Worcester City FC.
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