niels
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Post by niels on Feb 2, 2018 12:31:53 GMT
Henry is right. Not a single person I have talked to is the slightest bit worried about what the stadium looks like or how the traffic logistics are to be finally worked out. As a shareholder, my major concern is how it is going to be paid for, and how the future of the club will be secured by the finance generating activities within the site, none of which I got any answer about from the so called consultation. Everything else is pretty irrelevant.
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Feb 2, 2018 13:22:10 GMT
Lets start having the conversations about the things that matter, like, what are the implications of sustainability, and of investment, if the club is not promoted this season? What league are the club considering that we will be playing at when we move in to PW? How does this impact on operational costs? What does not getting promoted this season mean in terms of the financing of the project? Obviously by the time the planning application goes in to the city council, everyone will be aware of what level of football we will be playing next season. How does the Business Plan reflect this?
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Feb 2, 2018 13:38:41 GMT
Its really not too much to ask. Boddy & co were capable of doing it for Nunnery Way, the ST did it for Perdiswell. So how come we're not having such conversations around PW? Is Hampson going to reel out the old Non Disclosure excuse again?
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Post by Noboddy aka Lord Ealing on Feb 2, 2018 14:04:40 GMT
I've had a brilliant idea. Why keep shifting plans from west to east of the motorway and back again? There's a free strip of land between the lanes on the central reservation. Ok the pitch might be a bit long and thin, and pedestrian access could be somewhat limited, but there would be plenty of parking on either hard shoulder. I suggest Hampson and the board take some time walking around the area to check it out. Preferably in the dark.
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Post by Woodenose on Feb 7, 2018 9:15:57 GMT
I was just wondering,as there is no lighting along the road and no other utilities (Gas /Water),who would pay to have all these facilities installed and at what cost?
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Post by alwaysnextyear on Feb 7, 2018 12:05:49 GMT
Just one of the many questions I asked at the consultation, with no definitive answers provided. Yet the club somehow intends to apply for planning permission with an uncosted pretty picture, and numerous issues to be addressed ?
With the precedent of Anthony negotiating a 600 k infrastructure payment to St Modwens for precisely eff all on that shabby mixed use unfinished retail park, I'm fearing the worst.
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Post by Dodger on Feb 9, 2018 13:53:41 GMT
Just one of the many questions I asked at the consultation, with no definitive answers provided. Yet the club somehow intends to apply for planning permission with an uncosted pretty picture, and numerous issues to be addressed ? With the precedent of Anthony negotiating a 600 k infrastructure payment to St Modwens for precisely eff all on that shabby mixed use unfinished retail park, I'm fearing the worst. This has to be a major issue. I would imagine that the cost of providing these services will far outweigh the cost of the stadium build. If we have anybody with links to Western Power, National Grid, or Severn Trent maybe they could give a view of potential costs. Surely, in addition to laying new services, Parsonage Way would need to be subject to road closure (full or part) whilst trenches/cable laying/ pipe laying is undertaken. I don't know the area, but looking at Google maps it would seem that it's going to be a bit of a bu**er trying to turn right into Parsonage Way after a match in order to head back up towards the Warndon roundabout? Dodger.
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Post by alwaysnextyear on Feb 9, 2018 14:53:16 GMT
Dodger, I know the area very well. If I remember the pretty pictures correctly, and the traffic access, the pictures had both an entrance and an exit to the site. The exit being turn left only onto Parsonage Way. You would then go to the roundabout at the end of Plantation Drive, and have to come back on yourself. Exiting out into the dark on an unlit road, at an odd angle onto a 60 mph road, avoiding pedestrians ?
As for the infrastructure costs, the supposed WCFC contribution towards infrastructure costs at the St Modwen Nunnery Way fiasco was circa 1.2 million, and that was the supposed cost 10 years ago. This is what Anthony negotiated down to 600 k ( 500 k + VAT ). That's the price of eff all apparently. So with no costs known at this stage, plus grave doubts as to how much money the club has left ( 200 k to 250 k max at 31.05.17 ? - can't wait for the accounts - and let's not forget Anthony has said that we're still running at a loss in this season ), how can the Club push for planning permission on an uncosted pretty picture.
Answers on a postcard to Mr A Hampson, c/o Careys Homes, St Georges Lane, Worcester who will forward it on.
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Post by Mark on Feb 9, 2018 17:37:24 GMT
Just one of the many questions I asked at the consultation, with no definitive answers provided. Yet the club somehow intends to apply for planning permission with an uncosted pretty picture, and numerous issues to be addressed ? With the precedent of Anthony negotiating a 600 k infrastructure payment to St Modwens for precisely eff all on that shabby mixed use unfinished retail park, I'm fearing the worst. If we have anybody with links to Western Power maybe they could give a view of potential costs. Dodger. That will be me then........The cost will be very much dependant upon what the Club ask for in terms of the power requirement. There is already a power supply to the existing farmhouse on the land adjacent to the Parsonage Way site. If the power requirement is small this could be tapped in to. It's difficult to imagine a development such as the one shown on the plans provided for the consultation requiring something too large to do that but until a request is received from the Club with more detail it's not possible to say. If Western Power had been approached for a quote to lay on power to the site I would not be able to discuss it with third parties but I do know that no such request for costs has been received yet. Not much help but there you have it.
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Post by jupu on Feb 9, 2018 21:12:25 GMT
These are surely questions to ask at the next consultation event?
What has been said above about access and egress is also my understanding - left turn only in, same out. If there are safety concerns then the highway authority should raise them when consulted on the planning application.
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Post by Woodenose on Mar 14, 2018 8:47:47 GMT
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Post by creaner on Mar 15, 2018 22:52:46 GMT
Down the Lane. How is the planning application going for Parsonage Way? It’s gone very quiet in the public domain.
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Post by downthelane on Mar 15, 2018 23:01:02 GMT
As expected, childish behaviour.
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Post by creaner on Mar 15, 2018 23:10:16 GMT
As expected, childish behaviour. I’m confused sorry. £290k losses and £150k allegedly left in the bank. How is Parsonage Way going to be paid for?
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Post by downthelane on Mar 15, 2018 23:13:42 GMT
With the same magic beans that Perdiswell was going to be paid for.
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Post by Croc on Mar 15, 2018 23:17:27 GMT
With the same magic beans that Perdiswell was going to be paid for. You really are a nasty little piece of work
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Post by downthelane on Mar 15, 2018 23:21:17 GMT
Thank you Arne
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Post by creaner on Mar 15, 2018 23:22:26 GMT
With the same magic beans that Perdiswell was going to be paid for. I’m sorry to disappoint but magic beans don’t actually exist. That’s why they’re called magic beans. If you would really like to know how Perdiswell can be paid for I would be more than willing to show you. Honest invitation.
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Post by downthelane on Mar 15, 2018 23:25:25 GMT
Thanks, but I’m sure I can find the magic calculation on the ST website.
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Post by stevie on Mar 16, 2018 9:31:18 GMT
I hope the magic beans do exist, then as some go searching for the pot of gold we chop the sodding thing off at the root and leave them up there
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Mar 16, 2018 10:25:03 GMT
Downthelane, you'll find the calculations in the Business Plan, provided as part of the planning application, and distributed to the Board of Directors at WCFC, who validated the plan in full. There were no calculations, and the ST even put together costing forecasts on the basis that there would be zero money provided by the football club. As Rob Crean says, the figures are open for scrutiny, and were put together in partnership with Supporters Direct and Paul Fredericks of Lolben Consultancy. Paul is an experienced practitioner providing support to social and community enterprises. His specialisms include business development, governance reviews, community engagement, offer development and social investment. No magic beans required.
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Post by zeke on Apr 6, 2018 18:55:28 GMT
This week, there's been a lot of digging going on the ground alongside the A4440 opposite the Beefeater. A perimeter has been dug out and at least 10 to 15 percent of ground has been dug up.
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harley
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Post by harley on Apr 6, 2018 19:39:57 GMT
This week, there's been a lot of digging going on the ground alongside the A4440 opposite the Beefeater. A perimeter has been dug out and at least 10 to 15 percent of ground has been dug up. That's more likely to do with the improvements to Junction 6, it's nowhere near the proposed location of the new ground
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Post by jupu on Apr 6, 2018 19:50:06 GMT
Spot on Harley, I'm sure this is related to the junction improvements, which are scheduled to last for 18 months I believe.
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Apr 6, 2018 19:51:00 GMT
And what new ground would that be? It might as well be called Parsonage Where??? What ever happened to the follow up consultations?
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niels
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Post by niels on Apr 6, 2018 21:17:54 GMT
Can't afford to rent the room again, probably.
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Post by jupu on Apr 7, 2018 10:12:25 GMT
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Post by zeke on Apr 7, 2018 14:54:47 GMT
So. Even an wider road to try and cross?
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Post by Woodenose on Apr 13, 2018 8:39:57 GMT
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Apr 13, 2018 11:18:28 GMT
Its all gone a bit quiet on the consultation side of things at Parsonage Way, and the planning application is due to be in come June according to the Club Board.
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