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Post by Croc on Jun 22, 2017 15:04:24 GMT
63' - now moving onto other comments by other Councillors and planners in attendance
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Post by Croc on Jun 22, 2017 15:05:23 GMT
64' - Geoff Williams (Labour): "We need to set aside any discussion of land disposal or other sites - and to consider it in isolation in accordance with the National Planning Framework"
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Post by Croc on Jun 22, 2017 15:08:25 GMT
67' - "I'm satisfied it meets all requirements as set out"
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Post by Croc on Jun 22, 2017 15:15:32 GMT
74' - now floor given freely to any Councillor to comment.
Pat Agar (Labour): "The application is compliant with all regulations - that's why we also built the swimming pool there"
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Post by Croc on Jun 22, 2017 15:19:06 GMT
77'- Chris Mitchell (Conservative): "I'm struggling with the compromise of green space as a result. People won't be able to walk across the site because of a massive stadium in the way"
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Post by Croc on Jun 22, 2017 15:20:59 GMT
79' - Labour Councillor pulling up Mitchell on the assertion above. Making the point that they allowed the golf and new pool on the same area.
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Post by Mark on Jun 22, 2017 15:21:44 GMT
Massive? Has he actually seen the plans?
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Post by Croc on Jun 22, 2017 15:23:30 GMT
Massive? Has he actually seen the plans? They actually all got on a minibus to go up and walk around the site earlier today. |
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Post by Mark on Jun 22, 2017 15:25:27 GMT
Massive? Has he actually seen the plans? They actually all got on a minibus to go up and walk around the site earlier today. Clearly then, he meant to say modest! |
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Post by Croc on Jun 22, 2017 15:33:00 GMT
92' - Councillor L Denham just starting to wrap up. Vote should be soon.
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Post by Croc on Jun 22, 2017 15:38:57 GMT
97' - Alan Amos (Con/Lab/Ind/DUP/Natural Law Party/Sinn Féin) speaking now.
States that he will regret the plan going ahead once everywhere else in the City has been built on.
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Post by Croc on Jun 22, 2017 15:39:36 GMT
99' - VOTE TIME
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Post by Croc on Jun 22, 2017 15:41:49 GMT
5-5 - Chris Mitchell has deciding vote - has turned it down
PLANNING COMMITTEE HAS VOTED MINDED TO REFUSE 6-5.
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Post by Croc on Jun 22, 2017 15:48:35 GMT
All Tories voted Against the plans being approved (Green abstained), all Labour voted For
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Post by prestonwcfc on Jun 22, 2017 15:56:02 GMT
Nothing to do with planning application then just party politics
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Post by steves on Jun 22, 2017 16:00:47 GMT
No fckin surprise at all seeing as how the Council were looking at alternative sites before the decision had even been made.
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Post by Croc on Jun 22, 2017 16:01:05 GMT
What this means (if someone can confirm) it has NOT been refused outright.
It does mean that the Council now have to go away - study the plans again to resolve any conditional items - and then hear it again.
And the Council have to pay for all fees incurred in the process. So spending more cash in the process.
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Post by wcfcnb82 on Jun 22, 2017 16:01:12 GMT
Party politics at its best. RIP WCFC. No support from the council and no support from the board, perdiswell was never going to happen.
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Post by Croc on Jun 22, 2017 16:02:59 GMT
Party politics at its best. RIP WCFC. No support from the council and no support from the board, perdiswell was never going to happen. The Labour members on the committee all voted for it to be approved there and then today. They (and us) have been denied solely by the Tories and the Green Laurenson |
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Post by steves on Jun 22, 2017 16:03:45 GMT
I do not think this Council will come back and say anything different given how long they've already had to look into it.
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Post by lancashirelad on Jun 22, 2017 16:30:19 GMT
Party politics at its best. RIP WCFC. No support from the council and no support from the board, perdiswell was never going to happen. The Labour members on the committee all voted for it to be approved there and then today. They (and us) have been denied solely by the Tories and the Green Laurenson A big thanks to Croc, for keeping us all posted and up to date with the Planning Committee proceedings and vote. Its sad, but most of us knew Perdiswell was never going to happen anyway. But at least they tried, well done to all concerned. Now its time to move on and start looking elsewhere - probably outside of the City of Worcester. |
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Post by citytoon on Jun 22, 2017 16:39:28 GMT
Abandoned by Worcester City Council. Those flags spoke a lot of sense you know.
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Post by Croc on Jun 22, 2017 17:30:24 GMT
Basically - it's brazenly political and it WILL go through in the end.
If you were in the room today - you'd have heard all kinds of nonsense from the Anti side and the Tories.
This is by no means a done deal to refuse.
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Post by The Verner on Jun 22, 2017 18:00:42 GMT
Basically - it's brazenly political and it WILL go through in the end. If you were in the room today - you'd have heard all kinds of nonsense from the Anti side and the Tories. This is by no means a done deal to refuse. I hope so Croc |
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Post by The Verner on Jun 22, 2017 18:05:19 GMT
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Post by jimbo on Jun 22, 2017 18:30:25 GMT
Firstly, thank you for such a comprehensive report Croc.
The answer to those of you with doom & gloom attitudes 'this the end?' 'Perdiswell was always a non starter'......... Is a resounding NO !!
I have no doubt that The WCFC Board of numpties are gloating at this. But I also have no doubts at all that The Supporters Trust Board are already taking measures to lobby this setback.
I personally will be contacting every 'against' voter to express my views. I will do this in private as I feel that may be less flamatary & therefore receive a little more consideration.
Any opinions on this action would be appreciated.
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Post by Noboddy aka Lord Ealing on Jun 22, 2017 18:56:04 GMT
Well said Jimbo. I still wonder what the locals think will happen to Perdiswell were a sporting centre not built. Do they not understand that a huge housing estate is about to spread across the hole area?
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Post by B*ue dragonstander on Jun 22, 2017 19:03:57 GMT
An entirely predictable outcome. The scheme is not defeated but delayed...yet again.
So now we have a cash strapped Council (if the bleating hearts are to be believed?) incurring additional and unnecessary expense by voting against the recommendation of officers. Should they persist in such a course of action do they not risk the prospect of an appeal and worse the near certainty of losing such an appeal and making the council liable for the, not inconsiderable, costs of same?
I don't think we can say that those who voted against would have been unaware of the consequences. It is therefore a political statement that says to voters "we voted against the proposal" when it is ultimately approved or, alternatively, an attempt at delaying the plan for reason or reasons unknown. It is hard to believe that 6 councillors would all have some unfathomable motive for such an act of sabotage so I go along with the view that it is the former reason that is the most likely.
To fail to approve the application at the next committee would be seriously expensive for the Council and I suspect it will be approved with the no votes today abstaining next time.
What I don't know is whether there will be any further delays caused by the need to refresh any of the work in support of the application. I sincerely hope not.
I think we can be confident that the application will ultimately be approved. After that attention can be turned the other issues that stand between where we are and where supporters want us to be.
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Post by B*ue dragonstander on Jun 22, 2017 19:06:39 GMT
Well said Jimbo. I still wonder what the locals think will happen to Perdiswell were a sporting centre not built. Do they not understand that a huge housing estate is about to spread across the hole area? Is the hole a ground condition that will delay the progress of the scheme? Shouldn't the council be looking into it? 😉 |
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Post by Tim Munslow on Jun 22, 2017 19:07:47 GMT
Well, I hope you're right Croc and this is only another hurdle to jump in the process, but just shows how party politics comes into play. I feel just a little bit more hopeful than I did at 5 pm when I heard it on the news, since which point I have felt distinctly depressed.
So, from what you're saying it's a matter of watch this space?
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