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Post by manufan on Apr 30, 2017 17:42:24 GMT
BBC H & W talking about WCFC tomorrow 6-10am. Perhaps they'll speak to the chairman?
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Post by crosscountrymark on Apr 30, 2017 20:26:12 GMT
This is the time to put some serious questions to the chairman and to expose him on local radio , hoping the WCFC Trust will get their views across to the sporting public of Worcester.
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Post by crosscountrymark on Apr 30, 2017 20:58:29 GMT
I am hoping the football club takes the relegation into the Evostik Northern Premier/Southern Premier and not moving down to the Evostik South and West. Are John Snape and Danny Jackman willing to take the job on in a permanent role, a lot depends on what league we will be playing in and a realistic budget. We need to recruit local young talent, we have allowed decent young players like Dean Waldron, Josh Smith and James Lemon leave the club through lack of opportunity in the past. I cannot see many of the current squad being here next season, without them taking a large cut in wages to stay, we may have to rely on loan players from football league clubs and released from league clubs. Its important we get the best players in for the budget available, and need to scout local football. I am sure the Chairman and the board have the vision to take the club forward next season after their negligence has got the club relegated for the first time in 32 years at this level.
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Post by Noboddy aka Lord Ealing on Apr 30, 2017 21:07:33 GMT
I am sure the Chairman and the board have the vision to take the club forward next season after their negligence has got the club relegated for the first time in 32 years at this level. Really? Why would Hampson suddenly see the light? The board are incompetent. They won't change. If they had any competence they would have changed their ways years ago.
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Post by lancashirelad on May 1, 2017 17:23:46 GMT
So, does anyone know the deadline we have to tell the FA what we're doing? Well at a guess I would say we will be playing in the Evostik Northern league - Premier Division; although the board could ask to be relegated to the division below - the First Division South. I can see why they may ask to be placed in the First Division South - as the traveling involved going to Premier Division grounds (like Workington and Whitby Town) is just as far (bad) as it is in the National League North. Then again the board may go for the Evostik Southern League, if we went into the Premier Division there it would be the same problem, i.e. massive amounts of traveling - but on the good side we would get to play Hereford again
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Post by Tim Munslow on May 1, 2017 18:38:46 GMT
And old "friends" like Redditch, Merthyr and Kettering.
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Post by auldreekie on May 1, 2017 21:07:56 GMT
So, does anyone know the deadline we have to tell the FA what we're doing? Well at a guess I would say we will be playing in the Evostik Northern league - Premier Division; although the board could ask to be relegated to the division below - the First Division South. I can see why they may ask to be placed in the First Division South - as the traveling involved going to Premier Division grounds (like Workington and Whitby Town) is just as far (bad) as it is in the National League North. Then again the board may go for the Evostik Southern League, if we went into the Premier Division there it would be the same problem, i.e. massive amounts of traveling - but on the good side we would get to play Hereford again My concern with the outcome of this season and events off the field is that relegation to the next step down in the National Pyramid may be too much, e.g. travelling and wages costs, etc. As I read the National League Rules the club cannot now ask to be placed in a level lower than the Premier Divisions of the Southern or Northern Premier Leagues. To be able to request a place further down would have required the club to have made an application for voluntary relegation by the 31 March deadline date. The section in the rules says [my square brackets] says: The Clubs in the bottom three places in each of the divisions at Step 2 [National League North & South] at the end of the Playing Season will be relegated to a feeder pool and placed in the most geographically appropriate division at Step 3 [Premier Divisions of the Southern, Isthmian & Northern Premier Leagues].Does anyone know any more about the rules?
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on May 1, 2017 22:19:17 GMT
In which case, the club will definitely be playing at Step 3 next season, after all, the Chairman assured everyone via the media, that the club had not applied for voluntary relegation.
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Post by downthelane on May 1, 2017 23:06:35 GMT
Lots of unknowns, after all we were relegated in 2010 but got a reprieve due to other clubs.
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on May 1, 2017 23:20:49 GMT
In which case, only one unknown. We either get a reprieve, or we play one level down from Conference North.
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Post by jupu on May 2, 2017 6:48:46 GMT
I don't see how staying in the same league is compatible with bringing forward a break even budget. Would we be able to attract Conference North players who are willing to play for low wages?
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Post by cloud on May 2, 2017 7:32:05 GMT
And old "friends" like Redditch, Merthyr and Kettering. ….& also other traditional Southern League teams we used to regularly play; Weymouth, Dorchester, Kings Lynn. It’s like the old days. The National League now looks like a football league (with teams such as; Lincoln, Tranmere, Macclesfield, Wrexham, Torquay, Chester, York). The National League North looks like what would have been a top tier of non league football (with teams such as Kiddy, Halifax, Darlington, Stockport, Nuneaton, Tamworth, Boston, Alty). Leagues have all moved up one notch, with us going down to where we should be again. We could never have hoped to compete in a modern National North league with clubs like these in. Can't remember a season where we will have so many really close (location wise) games; Stratford, Leamington (possibly), Kiddy (possibly), Redditch, Hereford. Even Merthyr (possibly), Banbury, Frome, Kettering are all only 90mins ish away.
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Post by Croc on May 2, 2017 8:57:06 GMT
Now all the playoffs have been decided in the Feeder Leagues - we could make a pretty good prediction for next season (if the board haven't lied to us and taken voluntary demotion to a lower level)
Relegated:
Conf North: Worcester, Stalybridge, Altrincham
Conf South: Gosport, Bishop's Stortford, Margate
------------------------------------------ Promoted:
NPL Prem: Blyth, Spennymoor
SPL: Chippenham, Leamington
Isthmian: Havant, Bognor Regis
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So I'd say that - Blyth, Spennymoor and Leamington to go into the North Chippenham, Havant and Bognor into the South
Stalybridge and Altrincham to go into the Northern Prem Margate and Bishops Stortford to go into the Isthmian
Which leaves us and Gosport to fill the vacancies in the Southern Premier...
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Post by auldreekie on May 2, 2017 9:24:45 GMT
Yes that looks the likely outcome. However, with three North clubs and only one South club being relegated from the National League Leamington could go to the National South or they could decide to move Brackley South.
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Post by alwaysnextyear on May 2, 2017 15:00:26 GMT
I'll take step 3 now without hesitation ! I've heard that step 5 ( Midland Premier ) is being looked at by the Board, as steps 3 and 4 involve too much travelling expense, and that the financial situation is far worse than even my forecast ! I sincerely hope that my source is proved wrong. For reference, this is the non league pyramid for 2016/17. cdn.thenonleaguefootballpaper.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/PP1617.jpg?admin
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Post by Croc on May 2, 2017 15:24:27 GMT
"However, at this point in time, supporters can be re-assured that the board has not applied for voluntary relegation from the National League."
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Post by Woodenose on May 2, 2017 15:38:55 GMT
I'll take step 3 now without hesitation ! I've heard that step 5 ( Midland Premier ) is being looked at by the Board, as steps 3 and 4 involve too much travelling expense, and that the financial situation is far worse than even my forecast ! I sincerely hope that my source is proved wrong. For reference, this is the non league pyramid for 2016/17. cdn.thenonleaguefootballpaper.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/PP1617.jpg?adminNo play offs in this league, so I hope that your source is incorrect.We need the planning permission ,then we might get more sponsors and local advertising, hopefully it will be heard this month
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Post by jupu on May 2, 2017 18:10:07 GMT
"However, at this point in time, supporters can be re-assured that the board has not applied for voluntary relegation from the National League." Just reposting this statement for easy finding once their next lie is revealed... NB "At this point in time..."
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Post by auldreekie on May 2, 2017 19:41:25 GMT
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Post by auldreekie on May 2, 2017 19:52:22 GMT
I have been trying to understand how the relegation process works. I stress that the following is my interpretation to try and understand the process. I cannot vouch for its accuracy but it is my best attempt. If anyone can correct, clarify, amend, etc. then please do.
Here goes!
Movement between leagues is by simple promotion & relegation based on final league position.
League rules set out circumstances when other movement between leagues can take place.
The Leagues Committee has an over-riding power to determine where clubs play.
Beyond simple promotion & relegation League rules set out arrangements for:
1. Lateral movement - to maintain a geographical balance of clubs in leagues at the same step. 2. Voluntary relegation – an application must be made by 31 March for the following season 3. A new club replacing one wound up, liquidated or removed from its league. 4. A club removed from its league and wants to remain in the National League System (NLS). I assume "removed" means when membership has been terminated by the league due to say a serious rules breach. 5. A club that ceases to be a member of its league and wants to be placed in the NLS. I assume "ceases" means when a club leaves of it own volition and not through simple relegation to the league at the step below.
City have not triggered “voluntary relegation” by 31 March, In this event the club would have immediately been given a relegation place irrespective of final league position. This is what happened to Vauxhall Motors FC a few years ago.
This means that if the club do nothing then it would be relegated to the Premier Division of the Southern League, Northern Premier League or, in theory but not in practice, the Isthmian League (Step 3).
However, if the club now resigns from the National League then 5. above would apply. This allows a club to apply to play at a lower level than during the season just completed but does not state how far below.
However, a resignation in this way means the club is liable for a fine levied by the National League. This would be treated as a “club/person committing a breach of any rules” and the amount of the fine is not set out in the fines tariff but would be “As defined by the Board of Directors”.
I stress again that is my reading of the rules.
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Post by downthelane on May 2, 2017 20:18:29 GMT
NB "At this point in time..."
What was the date of that statement?
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Post by Noboddy aka Lord Ealing on May 2, 2017 20:20:33 GMT
You may be putting ideas into the board's head. I doubt if Hampson would have the gumption to research that.
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Post by downthelane on May 2, 2017 20:20:40 GMT
And notwithstanding all our speculation ... if the Club has resigned to play at a more affordable level of football - surely this can only be applauded? What is the alternative- carry on at an unaffotdable level until the money runs dry?
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Post by wcfcnb82 on May 2, 2017 20:43:09 GMT
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Post by niels on May 2, 2017 21:24:00 GMT
And notwithstanding all our speculation ... if the Club has resigned to play at a more affordable level of football - surely this can only be applauded? What is the alternative- carry on at an unaffotdable level until the money runs dry? No there is nothing wrong with living within your means, that's how a football club should be run. There is also nothing wrong with the board getting off their arses and going out to get some sponsorship, which would make those means larger.
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Post by jupu on May 2, 2017 21:26:07 GMT
NB "At this point in time..." What was the date of that statement? 18 February 2017
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Post by prestonwcfc on May 3, 2017 12:06:32 GMT
Sure Gloucester will have something to say being shifted South again !
Personally I'm hoping the board do the brave thing and apply for the Midland league , less travelling , no need for coaches for away games , plenty of derbys and hopefully the chance of a successful team. My concern if we drop to the SLP is we will drop struggle due to the wage bill and the downward spiral will continue. Better to totally rebase lower down in my mind
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Post by Woodenose on May 3, 2017 12:57:08 GMT
Sure Gloucester will have something to say being shifted South again ! Personally I'm hoping the board do the brave thing and apply for the Midland league , less travelling , no need for coaches for away games , plenty of derbys and hopefully the chance of a successful team. My concern if we drop to the SLP is we will drop struggle due to the wage bill and the downward spiral will continue. Better to totally rebase lower down in my mind No thank you, The Midland Combination which Alvechurch won only managed 205att at their last home game as Champions, some teams achieve less than 100,Plus there is no FA cup to enter, the team that we have had this season lost 14 matches by 1 goal, with a decent striker the team could have finished mid table. If the club can budget for a 450/500 attt and with some local talent, we could easily survive. We need the new ground as well to make this happen
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Post by The Verner on May 3, 2017 13:48:07 GMT
In my limited previous knowledge....its down to the FA where we go !
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Post by Dodger on May 5, 2017 17:32:14 GMT
Interestingly, had we been using the old 2 points for a win, we would have stayed up (same points as Gainsborough but with a better goal difference) That would have scuppered Hampson's master plan - lol Oh, and on the 2 points basis, Kiddy would be playing Stockport in the play-offs and not Chorley.
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