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Post by geoffworcester on Jan 28, 2017 18:16:59 GMT
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Post by The Verner on Jan 28, 2017 18:25:51 GMT
Cheers Geoff
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Post by adycrean on Jan 28, 2017 18:32:47 GMT
Not a massive surprise I guess. But I hope Carl stays, for 2 reasons:
(1) Carl has brought the best times to this club in over 30 years. He may be no master tactician, but is a hugely committed manager with passion for this club. Resourced are limited and we all have to acknowledge that staying in this league by the skin of our teeth isn't a bad outcome.
(2) If he did go, I lack any confidence that this Board can make a sensible decision on 'what next'. I shudder to think what would happen in fact.
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Post by cityforever on Jan 28, 2017 18:51:25 GMT
Don't blame him. The negativity from the so called Faithful is suffocating. Seems their only aim is to turn up afte a few beers and moan for 90 minutes!!
Where was Hughes today?
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Post by The Verner on Jan 28, 2017 18:54:28 GMT
Don't blame him. The negativity from the so called Faithful is suffocating. Seems their only aim is to turn up afte a few beers and moan for 90 minutes!! Where was Hughes today? Serving the last game of his ban ? |
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Post by jupu on Jan 28, 2017 18:55:06 GMT
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Jan 28, 2017 18:56:34 GMT
I hope he decides to call it a day, not because I don't like him (I do, both as a manager and a man) or I don't think he's the right man for the job (because he is), but because the level of criticism thrown at him by so called fans, considering the tough parameters that he's had to work under (which he's accepted without complaint) is unjustified, and unfair on Carl and his family. Carl knows that it goes with the territory being in football management, and if he had been given a fighting chance with funding and an infrastructure to build the football club, and we were still 18th in the league, then he'd be the first to accept that he'd failed. But he hasn't had that, and he hasn't failed. When you look at the circumstances in which he's operated, I rate Carl as pound for pound the best City manager since Nobby Clarke.
Carls a young man, with a demanding day job, and a lovely family, who has given 100% effort at all times to WCFC, probably way overstepping the work / life balance on far too many occasions. I don't think he needs this kind of hassle, he's got nothing to prove in the eyes of those supporters who understand the situation, and if he risks his sanity, and his family life, for the sake of a football club, then he'll regret that when he's older.
As Creaner pointed out last week, Shankly was an idiot, anyone who thinks football is more important than life is an idiot. Carl isn't an idiot.
I'd recommend that Carl takes time out, watches his daughters grow up, spend time away with Vicky, and enjoys the best years of parenthood as completely as he can. He's written his name in WCFC folklore, that'll never change, and when he's a lot older and the kids are grown up, then devote more time back into the game.
If he does step down, then I think many supporters will have to experience the old adage "you don't know what you've got, until you lose it!"
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Post by The Verner on Jan 28, 2017 19:04:23 GMT
I await some plank coming forward with "bring back Andy Preece"
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Jan 28, 2017 19:25:10 GMT
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Post by wcfcnb82 on Jan 28, 2017 19:27:36 GMT
Don't blame him. The negativity from the so called Faithful is suffocating. Seems their only aim is to turn up afte a few beers and moan for 90 minutes!! Where was Hughes today? So the morning was unjustified after today's embarrassing performance? I think not. I am a faithful fan, but the majority of faithful fans have had enough of this rubbish that we have had to watch. The whole club is a shambles. At the end of the day that's football. Is it's crap then of course the manager will be targeted. |
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Post by bj on Jan 28, 2017 19:49:38 GMT
We've got money in the bank. Give some extra budget to The Man. By increasing the wage bill we'll go out of business in 18 months instead of 24 months. At least it might relieve us of this slow painful death.
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Post by cityforever on Jan 28, 2017 19:51:34 GMT
How many times have I heard the clueless say Jimmy Harvey will be glad to manage us!!!!! Be careful what you wish for..
I hope Carl goes for his and his family's sake - top manager and man!!
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Jan 28, 2017 19:56:36 GMT
We've got money in the bank. Give some extra budget to The Man. By increasing the wage bill we'll go out of business in 18 months instead of 24 months. At least it might relieve us of this slow painful death. Have we? |
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Post by dcx on Jan 28, 2017 19:59:27 GMT
The club is f**ked anyway so he may as well get out now. Honestly I can't see anyone wanting this job that has a shred of credibility, we'll get a chancer from 2 divisions down who last managed Shepshed Dynamo again.
Keeping City in the league will need someone who's going to treat it as a full time job, for part-time wages. Huge ask IMO.
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Post by simples on Jan 28, 2017 20:11:48 GMT
From a footballing perspective I hope he stays. He does a good job under the most trying of circumstances.
From his own personal perspective one has to respect the choice he makes.
If he does go he will be a hard act to follow and I strongly agree with the comments of adycrean above.
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Post by stamoo on Jan 28, 2017 20:54:21 GMT
Carl has done an absolutely outstanding job for City on very limited resources. He's honest, totally committed and a City man through and through. I found it sickening to hear a vocal minority, and it was just a few loudmouths, calling for him to go this afternoon. He's a great manager but he's not a magician, five key players out through injury or suspension, nothing in reserve, what do they think is going to happen?  And if Carl does go what do they think is going to happen next? Who the hell in their right mind would want the job? No ground, no money, no future? Idiots! |
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Post by oxford on Jan 28, 2017 20:54:38 GMT
Don't blame him. The negativity from the so called Faithful is suffocating. Seems their only aim is to turn up afte a few beers and moan for 90 minutes!! Where was Hughes today? It is no different now to when we were at the Lane.The moaning on the Brookside was legendary but it didn't used to be blamed for every time we played like we did today. And just to comment on this obsession with beer.I was driving today so didn't have a single drop.That didn't stop me recognising an abysmal performance. |
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Jan 28, 2017 21:00:27 GMT
The club is f**ked anyway so he may as well get out now. Honestly I can't see anyone wanting this job that has a shred of credibility, we'll get a chancer from 2 divisions down who last managed Shepshed Dynamo again. Keeping City in the league will need someone who's going to treat it as a full time job, for part-time wages. Huge ask IMO. Carl has treated all of his time at City as a full time job (and more) for less than part-time wages. That's the reason we've just about clung on to our league status by our fingertips. |
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Post by alwaysnextyear on Jan 28, 2017 21:15:13 GMT
Today's performance was indeed dreadful, and we were second best for most of the afternoon. With few potential scorers playing, we had to be watertight at the back, which we weren't. There were a dozen 16 year olds chanting " We want Heeley out ", aided by some drunken 50 year olds who should know better. What do they truly expect in the circumstances ? I feel that the players have let down Carl this season, with individual errors and suspensions costing us from game one.
Personally, I think that Carl is still the best man for us, and his achievements with all the uncertainty at the Club have been very good. Financially we can't compete, so we have to make do with what we've got. I'd be sorry to see him step down, as who else would want to do the job ? Carl's not a quitter, and I just hope that he gets over today's result, ignores the vocal minority, re-considers and stays on. Having said that, if he did step down, I would fully understand why, and thank him for all his tireless efforts as a player and manager.
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Jan 28, 2017 21:21:31 GMT
Carl is not a quitter, and if he stepped down from managing WCFC, I for one would not see that as quitting, merely considering his priorities in life. I'm sure no manager enjoys calls to get out, but most will hear them from time to time, it does go with the territory. I don't think the chanting of a few pimply youths and embarrassing drunken 50 year olds (and I know who they are, only too well) will have been the reason for Carl assessing his position. However, they might well get what they wished for
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Post by cityforever on Jan 28, 2017 21:41:26 GMT
Same 50 year olds++ pissed up at every home game. clueless to the clubs predicament
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Post by zeke on Jan 28, 2017 21:50:38 GMT
I agree with all the above. Carl deserves much better than he's getting. He is and always will be one of City's greatest ambassadors. Very few people in football show the level of dedication and heart for a club. I'd be sorry to see him go, but it sounds as if he really has been pushed beyond his limits. Whatever he does I wish him well and will always respect what he did for us
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Post by wcfcnb82 on Jan 28, 2017 21:59:48 GMT
Same 50 year olds++ pissed up at every home game. clueless to the clubs predicament I'm definitely not 50+, and I booed at the end of the game at a shocking, clueless, abject, and embarrassing performance. Am I clueless? |
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Post by glevumblues on Jan 28, 2017 23:29:22 GMT
I hope Carl stays but above all I hope he comes to a decision that is best for himself and his family. He owes this club nothing. Regarding the game today, we seem to have these major lapses, probably not surprising in view of the continuing absence of so many players. Despite the lack of wins, we have still picked up away points in the last couple of weeks and we were by far the better team against FCUM.
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Post by cityforever on Jan 28, 2017 23:56:31 GMT
"Am I clueless?" Yes unless you know of a dedicated miracle worker who would want to manage the sinking ship??
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Post by ibraslimavic on Jan 29, 2017 11:01:17 GMT
Carl has done a great job over the years but the facts are no league win since November 12th and any manager would be under pressure with the recent set of results. It needs everyone to pull together and back the players and this is what happens when at games we have even been ahead and the fans have got on to the team, killed morale and we have ended up losing. You look at our fixture list and it doesn't look good for us at all. We have players who are dual registration like Olukanmi and Morris. Can these guys not be called back at a time like this? Surely that's why they are dual reg? We are then letting Craig go out on loan after bringing in a striker from vale and then not using him? Leaving Steele on bench for Alfreton when he got 2 assists in the 5-3 game at home and not bringing him on? Persisting with Murphy when he's been very poor for most of the season. I could go on but managers do make mistakes as well as players. But there comes a time where the line has to be drawn and if it wasn't by Carl now then it could well of been drawn by management in a few weeks as we have Tamworth, Harrogate and Halifax with it looking very likely we could end up with nothing to head into a massive game away to Altrincham at the end of the month. Better to go out on your own terms then to be turfed out after such an illustrious career with the club.
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Post by zeke on Jan 29, 2017 11:24:28 GMT
There are far too many people playing Football Manager with no clue to what's happening off the pitch. These "experts" know the fitness and all the contract terms of all the players.
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Post by ibraslimavic on Jan 29, 2017 14:24:07 GMT
Do you know the answer to any of the questions? They are questions after all. I don't profess to know the answers as I am no football expert like any of us. I have an opinion, like all of us. Just trying to provoke some opinions on this from everyone and feel that etiquettes should be exercised a little better. (Not commenting on anyone's fitness by the way ;-).... ). Off the pitch the club is not in great shape this is well known but this is part and parcel of the game. Or are we the only struggling football club off the pitch in the UK? Or the league for that matter? Results business, Carl himself would tell you it's not good enough. Hence why he's considering stepping down.
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Post by jupu on Jan 29, 2017 14:48:28 GMT
Listening to Carl last night on the way home it was clear that he was speaking from the heart. Before moving onto talk about his future he described the performance against Gloucester as embarrassing, which is exactly what I felt.
I echo the sentiments about family coming first. You only have one chance to see your children grow up and, having heard what Carl has had to say, personally I think it would be unfair on his family to try and persuade him to stay. Rather the conversation should be about succession, whether short or long term - if indeed we have a long term.
To my mind that throws into the mix immediate issues such as whether Snapper stays, whether Danny Jackman is willing to step up into management at this stage in his career, whether there is anyone else who can come in and take over as manager working under the same constraints that Carl has worked under.
There are then bigger questions such as whether our club wants to try and maintain its Conference North status, whether we go to Sixways next season and whether the club has a future, either there, or at Perdiswell, or anywhere.
For me, if Carl quits he should leave with his his head high - as when he played, he's always worked hard and tried to do his best for our club.
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Post by thatloudbloke on Jan 29, 2017 18:53:23 GMT
Same 50 year olds++ pissed up at every home game. clueless to the clubs predicament not only at home games, they do the same away, its pathetic & if people remember what Carl said after the York game, don't shout obscenities from the terrace have the nerve to come over to him & tell him what you feel then he has the chance to answer, I cannot see the point of going to games pissed & i really cant understand the youth acting like sheep... well we know they have got him to resign, lets see what their reaction will be in the next few games to the stand in gaffer with the same squad. best of luck to KING CARL in his future, wish him every success in his business & hope he has great times with his wife & children. |
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And if Carl does go what do they think is going to happen next?