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Post by Dodger on Sept 5, 2016 14:19:34 GMT
It seems to me that lately there have been comments posted in nearly every thread condemning the ‘board’ for their lack of direction in steering WCFC and I’m sure if a thread were started concerning the quality of the beer in the Hop Pole pub, the board would still get a mention.
I now notice a tendency to include the word ‘volunteer’ as well although I’m not sure if it’s more of a jostle to see who has volunteered the most in the past.
Is there a completion to see how many times these can get a mention? Even I’ve fallen foul to it in this thread now!
As I see it, I (and others) volunteer their hard earned cash by paying at the gate, buying a programme, buying a 50-50 half time ticket, having a couple of pints in the bar and maybe the temptation of sausage and chips from the refreshments hut. The end result being that some, if not most, of the cash goes towards the running of the club.
For those who have generously volunteered to do work for WCFC for nowt need to be applauded but at the end of the day they too have enabled the cash saved to go towards the running of the club.
We are (or were) all doing our bit to keep WCFC alive – and kicking.
If we stop attending matches, or offering assistance for free, are we not also contributing to City's early demise? Lack of fan 'support' could easily be seen as contributing to that demise.
Surely if our efforts mean we have a possibility of 3-4 years rather than 2-3 years before the SS City hits the iceberg then shouldn’t we all do our bit to delay the inevitable? There’s always a chance the iceberg may melt in that additional year.
For those that think relegation is the way forward, take a look at where Colwyn Bay and Corby are at the moment (early days, I know) and don’t forget Hednesford who got knocked out of the FA Cup by lower league Belper Town.
Dodger.
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Sept 5, 2016 15:00:49 GMT
Its an interesting discussion, the question for me is, why prop up any business whether its 2 years or 4 years, when there is a viable business model to enable the company to move forward without the concerns of folding on the table right now?
And given that its been rejected, and the present Board want to continue doing what they're doing, nothing will change. Except, the viable business model itself, or those backing it, might not be around in 3-4 years time, which will leave nothing. So the choice then becomes 1. make change now, 2. kill off the stricken beast early with a rescue plan to replace it, or 3. Limp on for 4 years, and then disappear off the planet. I can't buy into any idea of delaying the inevitable, especially when the inevitable could be avoided altogether.
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Post by thatloudbloke on Sept 5, 2016 15:06:24 GMT
It seems to me that lately there have been comments posted in nearly every thread condemning the ‘board’ for their lack of direction in steering WCFC and I’m sure if a thread were started concerning the quality of the beer in the Hop Pole pub, the board would still get a mention. I now notice a tendency to include the word ‘volunteer’ as well although I’m not sure if it’s more of a jostle to see who has volunteered the most in the past. Is there a completion to see how many times these can get a mention? Even I’ve fallen foul to it in this thread now! As I see it, I (and others) volunteer their hard earned cash by paying at the gate, buying a programme, buying a 50-50 half time ticket, having a couple of pints in the bar and maybe the temptation of sausage and chips from the refreshments hut. The end result being that some, if not most, of the cash goes towards the running of the club. For those who have generously volunteered to do work for WCFC for nowt need to be applauded but at the end of the day they too have enabled the cash saved to go towards the running of the club. We are (or were) all doing our bit to keep WCFC alive – and kicking. If we stop attending matches, or offering assistance for free, are we not also contributing to City's early demise? Lack of fan 'support' could easily be seen as contributing to that demise. Surely if our efforts mean we have a possibility of 3-4 years rather than 2-3 years before the SS City hits the iceberg then shouldn’t we all do our bit to delay the inevitable? There’s always a chance the iceberg may melt in that additional year. For those that think relegation is the way forward, take a look at where Colwyn Bay and Corby are at the moment (early days, I know) and don’t forget Hednesford who got knocked out of the FA Cup by lower league Belper Town. Dodger. well said a man after my own heart, i just wish others who decry what we want or are prepared to do would just stop & think of what their actions will do to our beloved WCFC, I will do whatever i can to see the the team play week after week, no to bothered with the politics, all i want is this club to stay in this league, year in year out until we get a home ground in Worcester & then go for the bigger league positions... |
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Post by richwidd on Sept 5, 2016 17:30:56 GMT
It seems to me that lately there have been comments posted in nearly every thread condemning the ‘board’ for their lack of direction in steering WCFC and I’m sure if a thread were started concerning the quality of the beer in the Hop Pole pub, the board would still get a mention. I now notice a tendency to include the word ‘volunteer’ as well although I’m not sure if it’s more of a jostle to see who has volunteered the most in the past. Is there a completion to see how many times these can get a mention? Even I’ve fallen foul to it in this thread now! As I see it, I (and others) volunteer their hard earned cash by paying at the gate, buying a programme, buying a 50-50 half time ticket, having a couple of pints in the bar and maybe the temptation of sausage and chips from the refreshments hut. The end result being that some, if not most, of the cash goes towards the running of the club. For those who have generously volunteered to do work for WCFC for nowt need to be applauded but at the end of the day they too have enabled the cash saved to go towards the running of the club. We are (or were) all doing our bit to keep WCFC alive – and kicking. If we stop attending matches, or offering assistance for free, are we not also contributing to City's early demise? Lack of fan 'support' could easily be seen as contributing to that demise. Surely if our efforts mean we have a possibility of 3-4 years rather than 2-3 years before the SS City hits the iceberg then shouldn’t we all do our bit to delay the inevitable? There’s always a chance the iceberg may melt in that additional year. For those that think relegation is the way forward, take a look at where Colwyn Bay and Corby are at the moment (early days, I know) and don’t forget Hednesford who got knocked out of the FA Cup by lower league Belper Town. Dodger. well said a man after my own heart, i just wish others who decry what we want or are prepared to do would just stop & think of what their actions will do to our beloved WCFC, I will do whatever i can to see the the team play week after week, no to bothered with the politics, all i want is this club to stay in this league, year in year out until we get a home ground in Worcester & then go for the bigger league positions... Loudbloke - I find it interesting that you are not "bothered with the Politics" as though it is something that should be avoided at all costs. I also find it incredible that you ask the very people who have something that gives us a future to consider their actions & what it will do to the Club! Go & have a chat with Hereford FC, see what they think about getting involved with politics, If they hadn't they would have nothing now. You state you want the club to return to a home ground in Worcester, How exactly are the Board going to do that? I have no idea who you are, I have no idea what you want or are prepared to do, good luck to you. Dodger mentioned about the direction the Club is going in - Anthony Hampson clearly stated in the Pre-EGM meeting that we have a couple of years left. I am not happy with the direction we are going in, I haven't for a long time so I will continue to do what I can to cut that direction off. If you are happy to just delay the inevitable then good luck to you. I first volunteered to help the club behind the scenes back in the 1990's, as they were asking for people to help so I joined the Vice Presidents Club. There were quite a few people involved and they wanted to help clear the debt at the time which was a few hundred thousands pounds. They were declared trouble makers as it might have got in the way of Nunnery Way. They were told in 1999, "it will be alright in 2 years time when we are at Nunnery Way". They all eventually gave up as the debt went up. Move on a few years when nothing had changed & the debt was considerably higher, it was crystal clear to anyone who could be bothered that the interests of Worcester City FC were not at the fore front and that Land Deals which did not have the interests of this club at the top of the agenda were going to be signed - A few more fans who could be bothered came forward and fought, but lost as far too many people "were only there for the football" and did not want to get involved in the "politics" - which in other words was us losing everything. I have said it a few times in recent weeks, go and have a look at St Georges Lane, Gregory's Bank and Nunnery Way and then come back and tell me you are here just for the football. I joined the Board as all the People who got us into this mess had f****d off after denying the possibility of a few millionaires taking over the Club. They had no one else to ask and no one else was willing to help so I helped them out. My first job was to get rid of someone ripping the Club off. No one likes to hear that, it's dirty & the person sorting it out is the trouble maker, not the other way round! Moving on a few more years we are groundless and there is a very credible plan to save the club, but most people can't be bothered with the politics or are still only here for the Football. You are going to lose it all. How much clearer do you want it to be? As for volunteering, Other people have mentioned some of the things I have been involved in, I haven't. One thing I did do is WCFCTV. It has stopped for this season as someone high up in the Club said it was something I had started and no one asked me to do it, it was all off my own back. Hence the reason for no coverage this season. It is easy to do, anyone can take it on. Not one person has come forward, I wouldn't mind watching match highlights so can someone sort it out? |
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Post by bobafettywap on Sept 5, 2016 17:37:42 GMT
It seems to me that lately there have been comments posted in nearly every thread condemning the ‘board’ for their lack of direction in steering WCFC and I’m sure if a thread were started concerning the quality of the beer in the Hop Pole pub, the board would still get a mention. I now notice a tendency to include the word ‘volunteer’ as well although I’m not sure if it’s more of a jostle to see who has volunteered the most in the past. Is there a completion to see how many times these can get a mention? Even I’ve fallen foul to it in this thread now! As I see it, I (and others) volunteer their hard earned cash by paying at the gate, buying a programme, buying a 50-50 half time ticket, having a couple of pints in the bar and maybe the temptation of sausage and chips from the refreshments hut. The end result being that some, if not most, of the cash goes towards the running of the club. For those who have generously volunteered to do work for WCFC for nowt need to be applauded but at the end of the day they too have enabled the cash saved to go towards the running of the club. We are (or were) all doing our bit to keep WCFC alive – and kicking. If we stop attending matches, or offering assistance for free, are we not also contributing to City's early demise? Lack of fan 'support' could easily be seen as contributing to that demise. Surely if our efforts mean we have a possibility of 3-4 years rather than 2-3 years before the SS City hits the iceberg then shouldn’t we all do our bit to delay the inevitable? There’s always a chance the iceberg may melt in that additional year. For those that think relegation is the way forward, take a look at where Colwyn Bay and Corby are at the moment (early days, I know) and don’t forget Hednesford who got knocked out of the FA Cup by lower league Belper Town. Dodger. well said a man after my own heart, i just wish others who decry what we want or are prepared to do would just stop & think of what their actions will do to our beloved WCFC, I will do whatever i can to see the the team play week after week, no to bothered with the politics, all i want is this club to stay in this league, year in year out until we get a home ground in Worcester & then go for the bigger league positions... You are deluded. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2016 18:10:48 GMT
Don't worry! Plan B is on the way. AND Boddy's back on the scene!
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Sept 5, 2016 18:19:41 GMT
So if all you want to do is watch football (which is absolutely fine, I "use" Leeds Rhinos for my RL kicks, I give nothing and take everything to watch those lads!), and you're not too bothered with the politics, why were you making a fool of yourself at the EGM shouting at the Chairman to resign? You're not even a shareholder, you were there as a proxy, yet you still thought it right and proper to sit there shouting resign? What you're saying above is, you don't care so long as there's a football match to watch? That's fine, but in that case, don't waste your time hanging around with the militants who are advocating change, advocating a community owned football club with a viable future, because believe me, that's politics! Did you understand a single word of what Jim Dale said at the last ST meeting? Their Supporters Trust had to break their club in order to save it, he said how much that hurt, but it had to be done. Do you understand what a CBS is all about? Because, it is a much more political constitutional arrangement than the relative simplicity of LTD. The political reality at the moment is, the Supporters Trust can't give you football, hence the parallel tracking plan, which can hopefully provide a framework for sustainable football (and other sports) in the future. But that can only really come into force if either the Board embrace the concept and come aboard, or there is no WCFC around anymore. Exactly the position that Exeter found themselves in.
All you want is the club to stay in this league, year in year out until we get a home ground in Worcester......? You are not going to get what you want with the status quo, do you really believe that it is sustainable like this? How do you think that the club can possibly finance a ground in Worcester? Even the Chairman doesn't believe so. So why do you?
It's horribly ironic that a few years ago, the argument was "We want WCFC to stay at St Georges Lane, and the way to do that is to keep supporting them" We were all told that we were wrong doing what we were doing then as well.
Personally, I can't back WCFC Ltd. which in my book is far bigger in the community of Worcester than a few guys being paid to nudge a ball around a pitch, I believe in collective action, but respect the fact that no call has been made for that. I'd prefer a couple of years of hell if it meant we come out of it swinging, rather than 4 years of personal pleasure and no plans for any kind of future. I shook the Chairmans hand at the EGM and wished him well in his endeavours, but I can't back them.
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Post by The Verner on Sept 5, 2016 19:30:19 GMT
On the volunteers....the effect of people downing tools has already been seen...
The PA is almost silent on matchdays...thats when it hasnt blown up.
50/50 raffel tickets were missing for first two games, that is now back.
Youtube channel has no highlights of games apart from those teams who come and record for their own website.
Club shop, those who ran this have walked away.
As Rich has said, if people want to come forward and take on these things im sure the club would be happy to hear from you
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Post by miserablesod on Sept 5, 2016 19:45:55 GMT
Can we get an official statement and update from the supporters trust chairman as to what they plan to do next and how they wish their members to act in regards to the club, instead of many different comments from board members on an internet forum?
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Sept 5, 2016 19:49:12 GMT
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Post by richwidd on Sept 6, 2016 16:16:00 GMT
So if all you want to do is watch football (which is absolutely fine, I "use" Leeds Rhinos for my RL kicks, I give nothing and take everything to watch those lads!), and you're not too bothered with the politics, why were you making a fool of yourself at the EGM shouting at the Chairman to resign? You're not even a shareholder, you were there as a proxy, yet you still thought it right and proper to sit there shouting resign? What you're saying above is, you don't care so long as there's a football match to watch? That's fine, but in that case, don't waste your time hanging around with the militants who are advocating change, advocating a community owned football club with a viable future, because believe me, that's politics! Did you understand a single word of what Jim Dale said at the last ST meeting? Their Supporters Trust had to break their club in order to save it, he said how much that hurt, but it had to be done. Do you understand what a CBS is all about? Because, it is a much more political constitutional arrangement than the relative simplicity of LTD. The political reality at the moment is, the Supporters Trust can't give you football, hence the parallel tracking plan, which can hopefully provide a framework for sustainable football (and other sports) in the future. But that can only really come into force if either the Board embrace the concept and come aboard, or there is no WCFC around anymore. Exactly the position that Exeter found themselves in. All you want is the club to stay in this league, year in year out until we get a home ground in Worcester......? You are not going to get what you want with the status quo, do you really believe that it is sustainable like this? How do you think that the club can possibly finance a ground in Worcester? Even the Chairman doesn't believe so. So why do you? It's horribly ironic that a few years ago, the argument was "We want WCFC to stay at St Georges Lane, and the way to do that is to keep supporting them" We were all told that we were wrong doing what we were doing then as well. Personally, I can't back WCFC Ltd. which in my book is far bigger in the community of Worcester than a few guys being paid to nudge a ball around a pitch, I believe in collective action, but respect the fact that no call has been made for that. I'd prefer a couple of years of hell if it meant we come out of it swinging, rather than 4 years of personal pleasure and no plans for any kind of future. I shook the Chairmans hand at the EGM and wished him well in his endeavours, but I can't back them. Mentioning Exeter City FC, a Fan Owned Club (as presented at our last Trust Meeting), Their Board have just release this, State of The Nation They run a Thirds Principal which is a third to infrastructure development (including to the Club’s Academy), a third to the playing squad, and a third to invest in the improved running and profitability of the Club as a whole and they CANNOT overspend.[/a] |
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Post by adycrean on Sept 6, 2016 17:15:12 GMT
Thanks for sharing that Rich. Very insightful, and what fantastic transparency.
Interesting how much their budget can fluctuate depending on windfalls - but the discipline exists to never rely on them and risk indebtedness.
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Sept 6, 2016 17:43:27 GMT
Prior to the actions of the Exeter Supporters Trust to rescue the club, it was owned by a bunch of muppets who brought in Uri Geller, Michael Jackson and Darth Vadar! (well okay Dave Prowse, the Green Cross Code Man!)
They'd never had experience of running a football club before, but they've worked bloody hard, and are getting it right. The transparency is superb, and lets every member know the state of play, and when you're part of a CBS, its probably more important to be aware of the state of play off the field than it is to declare every new signing as a "decent signing" (which most tend up not being anyway, thats football!).
Compare this to the way that WCFC relied on the expected windfalls from the £7.3 million sale of SGL!! We somehow managed to end up with not a brass farthing going into infrastructure, or promotion of the football club, and precious little into playing costs either!! With no money ring fenced for future plans for a new ground, and the burn rate continuing as it is, there will be no cash in bank in 3 years time. It beggars belief that the club is taking this route, and are doing precious little to change the situation, even with a viable alternative on the table. Supporters Trust Business Plan = Fully costed proposal amounting to over 60 pages vs Club Business Plan = a fag packet wish list of motherhood and apple pie amounting to 5 pages.
and we don't know what we're doing??
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