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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Sept 4, 2016 9:22:16 GMT
thesecondjack, as you'll know doubt know I am boycotting home games. BUT you said 'but cannot knock the initiative to try to get more through the turnstiles'...... Do you mean the non league day ? Or do you mean the board are doing something I haven't heard of ? If it is the latter, I would consider ending my boycott. The non league day offers for other club season ticket holders and the family ticket. It's certainly not a game changer from a boycotting point of view, but in the past the club has done very little/sod all with non league day - this year they actually came up with something to try and bring extra people turning up. What a insulting ignorant post by a typical "What's in it for me?" football watcher! Worcester City FC were one of the pioneers of Non League Day since its inception in 2010, and used to not only do better offers, but used to use national media outlets to help promote it for all clubs, as Rich Widdowson said when he was a Director This links is from 2013 - WCFC Non League Day
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Post by thesecondjack on Sept 4, 2016 9:42:58 GMT
Jimbo - my original comment was only a quick comment, as I say, ''It's certainly not a game changer from a boycotting point of view''. If the club had ignored non league day, I imagine a fair few would be moaning at the lack of action - myself included!
Rob - Here's a list of what the club has done for Non League day: 2016: Other club season ticket holders get in for half price & family ticket for £10 2015: Nothing I can recall or find - might have played away. 2014: Other club season ticket holders get in for £5 & 2 copies of Football Manager 2014 up for grabs (courtesy of the game maker) 2013: Other club season ticket holders get in for £5 2012: Other club season ticket holders get in for £5 & family ticket for £15
From this my view is that the club has certainly done stuff for non league day in the past, but I think to attract new fans, this years offer sounds the best to me (others may disagree). As I'm sure you know, I appreciate the work yourself, Rich and all have put into the club, and I'm certainly not knocking the work you have all done.
On a side note, the day was lacking 3 things to me, while trying to showcase the club: a mascot for the kids, bucket shakers for Prostate Cancer Uk (non league day charity of choice) and a full club shop rather than just programmes, 50:50's & posters.
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Post by richwidd on Sept 4, 2016 9:50:48 GMT
thesecondjack, as you'll know doubt know I am boycotting home games. BUT you said 'but cannot knock the initiative to try to get more through the turnstiles'...... Do you mean the non league day ? Or do you mean the board are doing something I haven't heard of ? If it is the latter, I would consider ending my boycott. The non league day offers for other club season ticket holders and the family ticket. It's certainly not a game changer from a boycotting point of view, but in the past the club has done very little/sod all with non league day - this year they actually came up with something to try and bring extra people turning up. I think you need to do a bit of homework before you start making such statements. Non League Day started in 2010 and James Doe who started it contacted the Club which came through to me soon after it was announced. He had no backing, no club's on Board, in fact the only thing he had was a great idea. We were one of the first club's to back it, we were one of the first clubs to make offers, we were one of the first clubs to make it a success. We have been at home for all but one of the Non League Days, which was last season and on every occasion we have made a success of it. If we had done very little or sod all why would the Non League Day website have us listed as one of its Testimonials along with people like Chris Waddle,The FA Chief Executive & The President of the National League? Non League DayThis is the first year where the Club hasn't actually made an effort to let everyone know that WCFC were actually doing anything to support it other than one or two tweets. They haven't even bothered to try something a bit different, just copied previous years offers. The match banner on the website and the "advert" in the programme should have been used to widely promote the game so people actually knew about it. There wasn't even a mention of it at the Turnstiles. I must have missed it, but I didn't hear anyone from the Club going on BBC H&W, Free Radio etc to promote it. It is pointless "coming up with something to try and bring extra people in", you have to tell them about it. Ref the statements above about the Club Shop - that was one of the reasons for setting up the online shop which has been extremely successful and turned over just under #100,000 in the just short of three years I ran it, you must have forgot about that. This was working extremely well alongside what Simon Gregory had done to raise a lot of money when he took on the shop, but I am sure the Board have got all this in hand, although I didn't see any WCFC merchandise in the Bromsgrove Club Shop or Bar yesterday, maybe I missed that as well?
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Sept 4, 2016 9:56:30 GMT
Well that sounds pretty much like a knock to me! But, to be expected I guess.
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Post by richwidd on Sept 4, 2016 10:03:05 GMT
Jimbo - my original comment was only a quick comment, as I say, ''It's certainly not a game changer from a boycotting point of view''. If the club had ignored non league day, I imagine a fair few would be moaning at the lack of action - myself included! Rob - Here's a list of what the club has done for Non League day: 2016: Other club season ticket holders get in for half price & family ticket for £10 2015: Nothing I can recall or find - might have played away. 2014: Other club season ticket holders get in for £5 & 2 copies of Football Manager 2014 up for grabs (courtesy of the game maker) 2013: Other club season ticket holders get in for £5 2012: Other club season ticket holders get in for £5 & family ticket for £15 From this my view is that the club has certainly done stuff for non league day in the past, but I think to attract new fans, this years offer sounds the best to me (others may disagree). As I'm sure you know, I appreciate the work yourself, Rich and all have put into the club, and I'm certainly not knocking the work you have all done. On a side note, the day was lacking 3 things to me, while trying to showcase the club: a mascot for the kids, bucket shakers for Prostate Cancer Uk (non league day charity of choice) and a full club shop rather than just programmes, 50:50's & posters. That's what The Board are there to do supported by Volunteers. Where are all those people who voted against the Club changing? Maybe they should be doing something and Dave Boddy should start doing something publicly again rather than keeping it quiet, Let him sort it out! Where was our "successful" Youth System?
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Sept 4, 2016 10:11:20 GMT
The non league day offers for other club season ticket holders and the family ticket. It's certainly not a game changer from a boycotting point of view, but in the past the club has done very little/sod all with non league day - this year they actually came up with something to try and bring extra people turning up. I think you need to do a bit of homework before you start making such statements. Non League Day started in 2010 and James Doe who started it contacted the Club which came through to me soon after it was announced. He had no backing, no club's on Board, in fact the only thing he had was a great idea. We were one of the first club's to back it, we were one of the first clubs to make offers, we were one of the first clubs to make it a success. We have been at home for all but one of the Non League Days, which was last season and on every occasion we have made a success of it. If we had done very little or sod all why would the Non League Day website have us listed as one of its Testimonials along with people like Chris Waddle,The FA Chief Executive & The President of the National League? Non League DayThis is the first year where the Club hasn't actually made an effort to let everyone know that WCFC were actually doing anything to support it other than one or two tweets. They haven't even bothered to try something a bit different, just copied previous years offers. The match banner on the website and the "advert" in the programme should have been used to widely promote the game so people actually knew about it. There wasn't even a mention of it at the Turnstiles. I must have missed it, but I didn't hear anyone from the Club going on BBC H&W, Free Radio etc to promote it. It is pointless "coming up with something to try and bring extra people in", you have to tell them about it. Ref the statements above about the Club Shop - that was one of the reasons for setting up the online shop which has been extremely successful and turned over just under #100,000 in the just short of three years I ran it, you must have forgot about that. This was working extremely well alongside what Simon Gregory had done to raise a lot of money when he took on the shop, but I am sure the Board have got all this in hand, although I didn't see any WCFC merchandise in the Bromsgrove Club Shop or Bar yesterday, maybe I missed that as well? Well said Rich!! As usual, its the "troublemakers" who have been the pioneers behind doing things for the football club, often not even get to watch football whilst doing a hell of a lot to help the club, and to promote the club and non-league football, whilst the football watchers just want to moan and whinge. This typical fence-sitter can't even decide whether he's knocking the club or not! First he's saying the club have done little/sod all for non-league day, next he's appreciating the efforts!! There's a reason why there is no club shop, the Board decided that this wasn't a priority for the club when moving to Bromsgrove.
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Post by creaner on Sept 4, 2016 10:14:46 GMT
Non League Day for me has always been more than just reducing prices and hope more people show up. In the past the main driver for on the day success has been what the original ethos from James Doe set out "Non-League Day provides a platform for clubs to promote the importance of affordable volunteer led community football while giving fans across the country the chance to show support for their local non-league side". It was always well advertised, promoted with lots of on the day activities and participation of local kids. Things were done differently yesterday but it didn't feel different to any other game to me.
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Post by richwidd on Sept 4, 2016 10:25:12 GMT
Jimbo - my original comment was only a quick comment, as I say, ''It's certainly not a game changer from a boycotting point of view''. If the club had ignored non league day, I imagine a fair few would be moaning at the lack of action - myself included! On a side note, the day was lacking 3 things to me, while trying to showcase the club: a mascot for the kids, bucket shakers for Prostate Cancer Uk (non league day charity of choice) and a full club shop rather than just programmes, 50:50's & posters. I think it is as clear today (or yesterday) as it always has been. Worcester City FC cannot rely on match day income alone, it never has been able to and it never will in the future. You need to bear that in mind, as the mavericks and bullshitters will very soon be trying to convince you otherwise (not that they need to convince you of course, it doesn't matter what you think.)
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Post by thesecondjack on Sept 4, 2016 10:27:33 GMT
I'm stating my own personal opinion - others may disagree, and that's fine by me, being a fence sitter and all.
The club has done more than just one or two tweets to promote it, so I wouldn't knock those efforts.
I certainly agree with the promotion of volunteer led community football, and can only wish this was how Worcester is run.
As ever I'm always happy to talk Rich, so please come and find me on Tuesday if you're able to make the game and you can enlighten me some more on non league day.
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Post by thesecondjack on Sept 4, 2016 10:31:22 GMT
Jimbo - my original comment was only a quick comment, as I say, ''It's certainly not a game changer from a boycotting point of view''. If the club had ignored non league day, I imagine a fair few would be moaning at the lack of action - myself included! On a side note, the day was lacking 3 things to me, while trying to showcase the club: a mascot for the kids, bucket shakers for Prostate Cancer Uk (non league day charity of choice) and a full club shop rather than just programmes, 50:50's & posters. I think it is as clear today (or yesterday) as it always has been. Worcester City FC cannot rely on match day income alone, it never has been able to and it never will in the future. You need to bear that in mind, as the mavericks and bullshitters will very soon be trying to convince you otherwise (not that they need to convince you of course, it doesn't matter what you think.) Trust me, they will find it very hard to convince me that the club can survive on match day income alone. I doubt you'll find more than a handful of supporters who believe the club can operate on match day income alone.
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Post by creaner on Sept 4, 2016 10:37:03 GMT
A framework for volunteer led community football, complete with business plan and outlining how the club could survive medium and long term, was put forward recently but unfortunately rejected in favour of maintaining the status quo. As has been said by the chairman recently the board have been given the mandate by shareholders to keep the club going. Apart from The Godfather II sequels often disappoint so I hope plan B doesn't turn into a NW2.
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Post by richwidd on Sept 4, 2016 10:44:00 GMT
I think it is as clear today (or yesterday) as it always has been. Worcester City FC cannot rely on match day income alone, it never has been able to and it never will in the future. You need to bear that in mind, as the mavericks and bullshitters will very soon be trying to convince you otherwise (not that they need to convince you of course, it doesn't matter what you think.) Trust me, they will find it very hard to convince me that the club can survive on match day income alone. I doubt you'll find more than a handful of supporters who believe the club can operate on match day income alone. They don't need to and they won't have to.
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Post by creaner on Sept 4, 2016 10:44:18 GMT
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Post by richwidd on Sept 4, 2016 10:48:10 GMT
I'm stating my own personal opinion - others may disagree, and that's fine by me, being a fence sitter and all. The club has done more than just one or two tweets to promote it, so I wouldn't knock those efforts. I certainly agree with the promotion of volunteer led community football, and can only wish this was how Worcester is run. As ever I'm always happy to talk Rich, so please come and find me on Tuesday if you're able to make the game and you can enlighten me some more on non league day. Have they? Where?
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Sept 4, 2016 10:53:54 GMT
I'm stating my own personal opinion - others may disagree, and that's fine by me, being a fence sitter and all. The club has done more than just one or two tweets to promote it, so I wouldn't knock those efforts. I certainly agree with the promotion of volunteer led community football, and can only wish this was how Worcester is run. As ever I'm always happy to talk Rich, so please come and find me on Tuesday if you're able to make the game and you can enlighten me some more on non league day. Personal opinion no.1 - "The club has done little/sod all for non league day in the past" Personal opinion no.2 - "I appreciate the efforts people have put into non league day in the past" Maybe you could take a step forward for once and go and find Rich, I don't think Rich has any reason to go out of his way to take time to find you, particularly after that unnecessary insult. What an arrogant request.
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Post by jimbo on Sept 4, 2016 11:06:54 GMT
All I asked was: what did the club do towards making non league day a success......
From all these comments it would as usual appear to be virtually nothing at all. The board know little or nothing about football & even less about non league so how do they think they can run our club without the volunteers they've binned !! The board do not actually support their own club with any passion or they'd attend every match home & away & interact with other normal supporters.
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Post by thesecondjack on Sept 4, 2016 11:11:31 GMT
Club website promotion, programme promotion, PA announcement at the previous home game, probably a dozen tweets, posts on facebook - more than just one or two tweets.
Jem, I often go and talk to Rich when I see him - of course if I spot Rich, I'll gladly go over and have a chat (assuming Rich is willing). Jem, perhaps you should stop nit picking everything and anything I say - just because you personally seem to have an issue with me, doesn't mean you have to be so petulant.
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Sept 4, 2016 11:31:15 GMT
Club website promotion, programme promotion, PA announcement at the previous home game, probably a dozen tweets, posts on facebook - more than just one or two tweets. Jem, I often go and talk to Rich when I see him - of course if I spot Rich, I'll gladly go over and have a chat (assuming Rich is willing). Jem, perhaps you should stop nit picking everything and anything I say - just because you personally seem to have an issue with me, doesn't mean you have to be so petulant. I have no issue with you, I don't want or need to know you. I work with doers, not talkers, whether I like them or not doesn't even come into it. I do have issues with all gossiping sycophants, of which you are one. If you said (or better still did) something with conviction, instead of criticizing the efforts of others, I wouldn't care about your tittle tattle to your little friends. Believe me, the work of the likes of Rich, Rob, Dave, Jane, Norm, Niels etc. is worth 100 times what you've offered, they don't deserve your gossiping. The offer still stands to come with me to Supporters Direct, actions speak far louder than words. This year the club did less for non-league day than in any other year, if you got involved instead of just talking about it, you'd already have enlightened yourself.
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Post by richwidd on Sept 4, 2016 11:31:21 GMT
Club website promotion, programme promotion, PA announcement at the previous home game, probably a dozen tweets, posts on facebook - more than just one or two tweets. Jem, I often go and talk to Rich when I see him - of course if I spot Rich, I'll gladly go over and have a chat (assuming Rich is willing). Jem, perhaps you should stop nit picking everything and anything I say - just because you personally seem to have an issue with me, doesn't mean you have to be so petulant. So the Club has promoted Non League Day to the people who actually already come to the games. In that case, I am happy to stand corrected, what a great job.
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Post by creaner on Sept 4, 2016 11:41:21 GMT
TSJ shouldn't be taking stick for having his view, we've all been in the position of having s*** thrown at us and it's easy to do it here. I shall buy this young man a pint and we will discus in the the pub as decreed in Magna Carta.. Dry roast nuts optional. Anyone like to join us would be more than welcome.
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Sept 4, 2016 12:04:59 GMT
But what view would that be? It turned full circle in less than 24 hours! In the spirit of said same "arrogance", he's welcome to come and find me on Tuesday and enlighten me as to his views.
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Post by wr3 on Sept 4, 2016 12:10:38 GMT
Club website promotion, programme promotion, PA announcement at the previous home game, probably a dozen tweets, posts on facebook - more than just one or two tweets. Jem, I often go and talk to Rich when I see him - of course if I spot Rich, I'll gladly go over and have a chat (assuming Rich is willing). Jem, perhaps you should stop nit picking everything and anything I say - just because you personally seem to have an issue with me, doesn't mean you have to be so petulant. I have no issue with you, I don't want or need to know you. I work with doers, not talkers, whether I like them or not doesn't even come into it. I do have issues with all gossiping sycophants, of which you are one. If you said (or better still did) something with conviction, instead of criticizing the efforts of others, I wouldn't care about your tittle tattle to your little friends. Believe me, the work of the likes of Rich, Rob, Dave, Jane, Norm, Niels etc. is worth 100 times what you've offered, they don't deserve your gossiping. The offer still stands to come with me to Supporters Direct, actions speak far louder than words. This year the club did less for non-league day than in any other year, if you got involved instead of just talking about it, you'd already have enlightened yourself. I was going to ask if there was anyway in which I could volunteer my services, but having seen this, I'm not sure if I want to get involved in what appears to be a dick measuring contest.
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Sept 4, 2016 12:26:26 GMT
Mine is very small, no worries there. If you were going to ask how to volunteer your services to the club, then go directly to Anthony Hampson, I'm sure he will welcome your offer, to be fair to Hampson, he's been asking for this for the last 8 years. If you want to volunteer your services to the Supporters Trust, then send an email to admin@wcfcsupporterstrust.com , again they have always been very open to offers of support.
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Post by ibraslimavic on Sept 4, 2016 12:28:25 GMT
Let's work with the positives and the team showed great character to battle back from a position they have failed to respond to virtually all season. Hughes showed why he is crucial to the side but I felt the team played a lot better and there are signs this team are starting to gel and find their feet with one another with a number of good chances created. Sorry for now stating the obvious but this team needs a win to settle down a lot of the nerves as players lacked that bit of composure that Hughes had otherwise we would've won comfortably. The team looked even more of a threat when they went down to 10 men an Steele did very well to consistently cover the ground in absence of the sent off English. The substitutes came in and made a difference and I feel that one win changes the morale completely and i only hope it comes sooner rather than later.
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Post by richwidd on Sept 4, 2016 15:59:48 GMT
I have no issue with you, I don't want or need to know you. I work with doers, not talkers, whether I like them or not doesn't even come into it. I do have issues with all gossiping sycophants, of which you are one. If you said (or better still did) something with conviction, instead of criticizing the efforts of others, I wouldn't care about your tittle tattle to your little friends. Believe me, the work of the likes of Rich, Rob, Dave, Jane, Norm, Niels etc. is worth 100 times what you've offered, they don't deserve your gossiping. The offer still stands to come with me to Supporters Direct, actions speak far louder than words. This year the club did less for non-league day than in any other year, if you got involved instead of just talking about it, you'd already have enlightened yourself. I was going to ask if there was anyway in which I could volunteer my services, but having seen this, I'm not sure if I want to get involved in what appears to be a dick measuring contest. I was responding to this completely incorrect statement from TheSecondJack which couldn't be further from the truth if he tried, "The non league day offers for other club season ticket holders and the family ticket. It's certainly not a game changer from a boycotting point of view, but in the past the club has done very little/sod all with non league day - this year they actually came up with something to try and bring extra people turning up". If someone is going to say something that is completely incorrect, that involves me, I am going to respond to it. If he hadn't made this comment then I wouldn't have mentioned that there had been no proper promotion of yesterdays game. IF he is one of the couple of people who have been given the task of trying to promote this game by our incompetent Board then I don't have any issue at all with his efforts, I have no idea if that is the case. NLD was announced in early June, Fixtures came out in July, the first time I saw anything from the Club was in Last Saturdays programme so from personal experience, I expect they have suddenly thought they had better get someone else to do something. At the end of the day the Board aren't going to do anything, we all know that, so there is nothing at all to stop you from volunteering to help them do whatever they are doing to fulfil they pledge made at their pre-EGM Meeting. BTW, how are they getting on with that? There is also nothing to stop any of those people who voted for the Club to stay as it is from volunteering for its final few seasons, I don't see too many of them doing anything other than Dave Boddy and his next Big Plan to save the Club.
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Post by jimbo on Sept 4, 2016 18:19:24 GMT
I can't believe you trouble makers keep having a go at our loyal supporters...... Unless it's because they are so nieve haha !!
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Post by wakefield on Sept 5, 2016 5:03:23 GMT
Following various threads - but see DB is being mentioned,
is he back??
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Post by The Verner on Sept 5, 2016 8:22:11 GMT
Following various threads - but see DB is being mentioned, is he back?? Well he was at the Harrogate game as a scout for Gloucester, he was obviously then at the Gloucester game. Unsure if he was at the Chorley game but I did see him Saturday vs Gainsborough, as a paying customer !!!!
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Post by Tim Munslow on Sept 5, 2016 13:51:08 GMT
Yes, he was buying cups of tea just in front of me.
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Post by wr3 on Sept 6, 2016 21:39:34 GMT
Mine is very small, no worries there. If you were going to ask how to volunteer your services to the club, then go directly to Anthony Hampson, I'm sure he will welcome your offer, to be fair to Hampson, he's been asking for this for the last 8 years. If you want to volunteer your services to the Supporters Trust, then send an email to admin@wcfcsupporterstrust.com , again they have always been very open to offers of support. I'd prefer the ST as I don't like the path the board is leading us down!
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