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Post by Dodger on Aug 15, 2016 19:15:46 GMT
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Post by thesecondjack on Aug 15, 2016 19:41:51 GMT
Yup, it's segregated. With the weather forecast to be rather beautiful, I'm not sure why we'd want to be in the covered end anyway!  Now, as it's Gloucester time, where's TigerRoar? I know it's a little early for him to pop up this season but he must be about, right? |
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Post by Tim Munslow on Aug 16, 2016 12:00:23 GMT
We never play well against Gloucester: could it be the day we break the hoodoo?
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Post by tigerroar on Aug 16, 2016 14:09:04 GMT
Hello.
Just so as you know, we have a very good record against Worcester and we have a very good record at Bromsgrove.
What could go wrong?
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Post by daveangel on Aug 16, 2016 14:26:53 GMT
You wouldn't need to ask that if you could see the LHCoE!
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Post by jimbo on Aug 16, 2016 19:35:14 GMT
Really wanted to go to this match.......l BUT a boycott is a boycott.
Oh well bring on the return fixture
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Post by zeke on Aug 16, 2016 20:25:25 GMT
looks like another loss  |
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Post by thesecondjack on Aug 16, 2016 21:37:28 GMT
Well, that was a bad match. Pure and simple.
Draper made one good save, but didn't inspire me more than Ross does. Hutch hasn't impressed me at all since returning, and I think Heeley needs to think about dropping him as he's been the one consistent, and has consistently unimpressed. We know he can perform but I think he needs a game on the bench to think things over. The midfielders as a whole need to charge the box when we've got a player on the ball out wide with a cross available.
We should have had 1 penalty, if not 2 (I glanced away at the second call). Two hands in the back is a certain pen though. Hughes helped bring us back into the game, as did Murphy (despite heckles from the crowd, including from my dad!) He just needs to grab himself a goal. I think Bishop could be a really decent player for us if he has backup too. He goes missing when on his own up front, but can do well with a partner.
Gloucester deserved to win, we were terrible, we need to play our bloody captain!
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Post by Mark on Aug 16, 2016 21:56:25 GMT
Quite simply we are dreadful. I can deal with losing but at least entertain me.
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Post by wcfcnb82 on Aug 16, 2016 22:09:22 GMT
Tactically inept. Back to the old useless heeley tonight. Steele and Hughes, probably two of the better players this season so far (not much to choose from) and they are on the bench?! No idea why. Jackmam not even in the squad?! Clueless! I'm at a loss.
Things look like they at on a slippery slope, not just off field but in field as well. I'm finding it hard to enjoy it at the moment. Something needs to change because we are just not good enough.
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Post by tigerroar on Aug 16, 2016 22:14:05 GMT
I am frankly disappointed that you could've got a point right at the end, should've been dead and buried by then.
Fair play to Luke Hopper. He can score goals.
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Post by miserablesod on Aug 16, 2016 22:26:41 GMT
Tonight was awful. First and second goals were ridiculous.
Steele should be starting.
I'd like to see Jackman start along side Fitzpatrick, instead of English.
Nelson Addy is not a wide player. He should be played through the centre.
I thought oji had a solid game besides the two mistakes.
Sharpe seems of the pace. We need Tyler back in the squad!
Frustrating night.
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Post by gloucesterfan on Aug 16, 2016 23:13:17 GMT
I enjoyed the match - only downer was that you don't sell burgers...too much like being at Forest Green!  |
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Post by stamoo on Aug 17, 2016 5:36:44 GMT
Thoughts on last night : Hutch, who we know can be a great player, looked out of position and out of form, too many mis-timed tackles and mis-placed passes. I agree Oji looked good apart from two slip-ups that gave away goals but hey, he's playing in a new back four with players he doesn't know, mistakes are going to happen until he settles in, unfortunately we were punished both times. I thought we needed someone in midfield to put their foot on the ball and switch the play and use the width, rather like Deeney used to do, Jacko may have been a good option?
We didn't seem to get a foothold in the game until we were behind, but it wasn't through lack of effort. Hughesy did it for us as usual and Steele looked impressive when he came on. The fact that we had a storming finish and didn't give up was encouraging. This team will improve but it will take a few games, looking at the back of the programme last night out of 21 City players listed only 6 of them were with us last season, it's unreasonable to expect a revamped team to be firing on all cylinders at this stage. It's going be a tough season, who expected otherwise?
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Post by jupu on Aug 17, 2016 7:39:44 GMT
I didn't think we were awful last night but we certainly were second best. We could have had a draw if the referee had been prepared to give us what seemed like a clear penalty but that would scarcely have been a fair reflection on the game as a whole.
Carl may well say that defensive errors have cost us the game but in truth we never looked like scoring until Hughes and Steele came on.
To me this feels very much like our first season at Aggborough when it was clear from the outset that we would struggle and we didn't win any of our first 8 games. Obviously we all hope that things will get better but I can't see that happening for a while yet.
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Post by Tim Munslow on Aug 17, 2016 8:58:43 GMT
I'm afraid I came away from Bromsgrove dejected, disillusioned, despairing and depressed.
As I suffer from black dog anyway why should I put myself thro' a 37 mile round trip just to add to the depression? We already look like a relegation side and any confidence that we saw in the opening match has already drained away. I cannot see enough talent in the side to make a difference and we keep reading about these signings who are waiting international clearance; when they appear they are VERY ordinary. Hutchison and Sharpe looked good when they played alongside Wayne Thomas, but together they look weak.
I thought Luke Hopper took his chances very well: even if you make silly defensive errors it still takes a proper striker to take advantage of them and he did.
Even though I have a season ticket I I'll be staying away: I just can't stand it any more.
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Post by bobcarolgees on Aug 17, 2016 9:23:08 GMT
Couple of silly defensive mistakes gifted us a few goals, that said Hopper finished excellently. But although we were under the cosh in all that injury time (not sure where that came from?) we were pretty comfortable overall. Lee Hughes made the difference for you. Who played right back for you? He looked the only one in your defence who was switched on. Last twenty minutes he stopped a wave of attacks down that side. Your keeper made a couple of decent saves but didn't look overly confident. He literally dropped a nothing shot which hit the post and almost crept over the line.
Understand reading peoples frustration but you gotta keep the faith, we've been there too. Too many times to mention with off the field problems, ground blows etc. Over nine years of constant away games takes it toll and there's plenty of hardcore Gloucester fans that are staying away recently. We're hoping that September planning agenda will see us finally green lighted to come home and this run of form is helping confidence. Your time will come.
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Post by wcfcnb82 on Aug 17, 2016 9:32:51 GMT
Couple of silly defensive mistakes gifted us a few goals, that said Hopper finished excellently. But although we were under the cosh in all that injury time (not sure where that came from?) we were pretty comfortable overall. Lee Hughes made the difference for you. Who played right back for you? He looked the only one in your defence who was switched on. Last twenty minutes he stopped a wave of attacks down that side. Your keeper made a couple of decent saves but didn't look overly confident. He literally dropped a nothing shot which hit the post and almost crept over the line. Understand reading peoples frustration but you gotta keep the faith, we've been there too. Too many times to mention with off the field problems, ground blows etc. Over nine years of constant away games takes it toll and there's plenty of hardcore Gloucester fans that are staying away recently. We're hoping that September planning agenda will see us finally green lighted to come home and this run of form is helping confidence. Your time will come. Graham Hutchinson had been switched to right back, who is usually a centre half. I honestly don't think out time will come. We will be out of business in 2-3 years guaranteed. We have a board of directors who are inept and determined to watch is go down. I really don't know how you have survived this long away from Gloucester, fair play but we can't go on much longer. Crowds are dwindling, fans are getting disillusioned with the whole sorry state of affairs. For me me, the manager picked the wrong team to start last night and that's why we have lost. The guy who gifted the two goals, it was his first game, after not playing any football pre season. Our only goal threat Hughes now suspended for 3 games after the next game. It's not looking good! I don't know what the answer is. |
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Post by bobcarolgees on Aug 17, 2016 10:02:48 GMT
Ah, that's not who I am thinking of. He was black!
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Post by cloud on Aug 17, 2016 10:10:14 GMT
Couple of silly defensive mistakes gifted us a few goals, that said Hopper finished excellently. But although we were under the cosh in all that injury time (not sure where that came from?) we were pretty comfortable overall. Lee Hughes made the difference for you. Who played right back for you? He looked the only one in your defence who was switched on. Last twenty minutes he stopped a wave of attacks down that side. Your keeper made a couple of decent saves but didn't look overly confident. He literally dropped a nothing shot which hit the post and almost crept over the line. Understand reading peoples frustration but you gotta keep the faith, we've been there too. Too many times to mention with off the field problems, ground blows etc. Over nine years of constant away games takes it toll and there's plenty of hardcore Gloucester fans that are staying away recently. We're hoping that September planning agenda will see us finally green lighted to come home and this run of form is helping confidence. Your time will come. Thanks for that bobcarolgees. I was really pleased to read, in the program, that Gloucester are getting nearer to having a ground of their own again. Is it right you're intending to build a new ground on the same site as your old one? I loved going to Gloucester v City derby games years ago. Seeing RichW & Dave Boddy in discussion, after the final whistle, should make us all realize that results aren't really that important in the grand scheme of things. Saving the club is. |
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Post by bobcarolgees on Aug 17, 2016 10:22:36 GMT
That's right, elevated on the site of the original ground with some additional flood alleviation work done (funded by the club). Looks great, when completed. The first phase is pretty basic but to be honest we're just sick of travelling all over the county for a home game for 10 seasons (as I'm sure you can empathise after 4 seasons of it) and just want to get back to our own City.
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Post by bobcarolgees on Aug 17, 2016 10:29:38 GMT
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Post by dragon on Aug 17, 2016 10:51:45 GMT
DO you think Rich is looking to Boddy for guidance on how to break the deadlock ? That would be a turn-up !
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Post by Dodger on Aug 17, 2016 11:44:08 GMT
In my view, Gloucester looked sharp and hungry for the ball while we seemed to be looking to simply kick the ball upfield at the earliest opportunity.......a complete contrast to the opening match performance against Harrogate. We need a steadying influence in midfield (where is Jacko?) and the tactics to knock the ball around a bit. Only when Lee Hughes came on did we see any 'settling' in the front play, by him holding the ball and looking around for the pass. I like the look of Colby Bishop but as long as he remains isolated up front (the big hoof up to him), he becomes ineffective. A couple of 'asides' - did anyone notice Sean Geddes in the crowd? Was he watching Worcester or secretly cheering on Gloucester?  Also there were quite a few Glos 'officials' (suits and black/yellow ties), presumably getting the hospitality treatment(?) - so that probably took care of any profit made on the night. Dodger. |
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Post by simon on Aug 17, 2016 11:57:45 GMT
Gloucester were far superior to us and we got what we deserved.We didn't look like scoring until Hughesy came on and defensively we look weak.
Against Harrogate after Lee Hughes was substituted we managed to throw away the points from a winning position.
We've got a 40 year old who's scored 3 of our 4 goals in 4 games now facing a 3 match ban to accompany a defence that's shipped in 9 goals,this does not fill me with confidence,however all is not lost and could be put right in the next couple of games.
A lot of the people standing around me last night were moaning about the fact that the visiting supporters having the covered end and making all the noise whilst our end was in silence and struggling to get behind the team when they needed us showing some vocal support.I know somebody will start spouting Health and Safety issues but this needs addressing sooner as apposed to later as there will be another 7 or 8 segregated matches to come and we need to get behind the team,thats apart from the ridiculous idea that the home fans will have to stand in the rain and cold biting winds throughout the winter.
Perhaps this is just another way of shafting the supporters in a bid for folding the club earlier.
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Post by thesecondjack on Aug 17, 2016 12:33:23 GMT
Nothing to do with health and safety, it's to do with the way the ground is set up. If we'd all rather have the poor refreshments (I believe with no hot food), no bar, less capacity but had a roof over the end, then I'm sure we could swap sides for segregated matches. I'd rather keep it how it is, but make our own noise. You could hear a pin drop at times on our end, it was only in the last 10 minutes people were really backing the team. I know performances on the pitch encourage fans to cheer, but fans cheering lift a team too.
As we need noise, and everyone seems to want Jacko to play, why not adjust the chant our young ones had last season from "We've got Jackman" to "We want Jackman"?
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Post by cloud on Aug 17, 2016 12:45:51 GMT
A lot of the people standing around me last night were moaning about the fact that the visiting supporters having the covered end and making all the noise whilst our end was in silence and struggling to get behind the team when they needed us showing some vocal support.I know somebody will start spouting Health and Safety issues but this needs addressing sooner as apposed to later as there will be another 7 or 8 segregated matches to come and we need to get behind the team,thats apart from the ridiculous idea that the home fans will have to stand in the rain and cold biting winds throughout the winter. Perhaps this is just another way of shafting the supporters in a bid for folding the club earlier. Ouch. The only other option (& the club have probably looked at it & found it not viable) would be to swap everything around from last night - get the away fans using the main turnstile, & home fans using the north turnstile. Home fans would then get the north covered terrace, social club side & part of main stand seating. Away fans get open south terrace & part of main stand seating. You'd just need some stewards between south stand / main stand seating & by the main food outlet (who gets access to the main food outlet will be a hot potato). There's another food outlet between the north stand & main stand seating anyway. Verner will have already have looked at this I'm sure. But at the end of the day - there's only one end covered, so one side will be unhappy. |
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Post by dcx on Aug 17, 2016 12:52:34 GMT
Nothing to do with health and safety, it's to do with the way the ground is set up. If we'd all rather have the poor refreshments (I believe with no hot food), no bar, less capacity but had a roof over the end, then I'm sure we could swap sides for segregated matches. I'd rather keep it how it is, but make our own noise. You could hear a pin drop at times on our end, it was only in the last 10 minutes people were really backing the team. I know performances on the pitch encourage fans to cheer, but fans cheering lift a team too. As we need noise, and everyone seems to want Jacko to play, why not adjust the chant our young ones had last season from "We've got Jackman" to "We want Jackman"? I'm trying not to get too emotionally involved after last night, but I'll go anyway...
I don't understand Heeley's team selection at the moment. It's clear he is concerned about physicality but I don't actually think this is a problem. Steele can play CM and his skill sees him past players even though he looks like he's going to get blown over in the wind. We managed just fine last year and got some big results with Jacko and Donnellan (again, so lightweight but didn't matter).
He said a week before the season started "pace will hurt teams" but last two games has played no true wide players, and surprise surprise, we turned in an abject performance. Compare to the times we have used wide players (Harrogate and Tamworth) we played relatively well and at least looked like scoring. He knows what works, it got us to 9th in 2014/15 and to the 2nd round of the FA Cup. I don't understand why he keeps changing things, the players won't even be used to playing one system at the moment given the newness of the squad so trying to teach them two systems is crazy.
IMO we need to be going into Saturday's match with that formation and play with the width and pace that we have got. I honestly believe we have got the players; Steele, ENA, Fitzpatrick and Keane in particular have been good additions. I don't like to say it as I am huge, huge fan of Carl, but I wonder if he is actually a brilliant scout as opposed to a master tactician?
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Aug 17, 2016 12:57:34 GMT
Yes its all to do with Health and Safety, a lot of thought went in to how the ground could be set up to accommodate segregation, including things like away support car parking, and fans having to cross over, and of course the costs involved too. Within the parameters that we have, this was the best solution. It saddens me that at this level of football there is any need for segregation! I go to top level rugby league games at places like Headingley and the DW Stadium, even Wembley and Old Trafford, and there is no need for segregation, even though opposing team fans gather at their respective "ends" they all mingle (and there's no love lost between Rhinos and the Pie Eaters, or Cas, or Stellens, or Wire and there are often 10-15,000 crowds there! I'm at London Broncos this weekend where they can't even do segregation, and there could be 5000 Rhinos fans decamping from Yorkshire to Ealing, and next week I'll be at Wembley, with 70,000 Hull and Warrington fans and 10,000 fans of other clubs, I think I'm in with the Wire fans, but I'll be wearing my Rhinos Shirt, no problem!
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Post by Woodenose on Aug 17, 2016 13:00:08 GMT
Where is/was the pace that was going to put fear in opposing defences?
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