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Post by Dodger on May 23, 2016 18:35:13 GMT
This is, of course, dependent somewhat on the exact squad City can put together.............. but what are folks' thoughts on our final league position for next season?
I think a realisation that there are some big guns remaining in the division (Fylde, Stockport etc.) and there are those relegated teams who have almost promised to bounce straight back (Kiddy & Halifax). Couple this with Darlington and Salford coming up, and it's likely to be a tough nerve jangling season.again.
Personally, I'll be happy for a position that keeps us in the NN (but without things going to the last match - or two).
There's a lot riding on Carl's shoulders but I'm trusting him to get the best players he, and the rest of the board, can get to come and play for a well-loved team.
Dodger.
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Post by The Verner on May 23, 2016 19:09:48 GMT
Survival....that is the only thing i want...and of course 6 points against that lot from Kidderminster
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Post by Tim Munslow on May 23, 2016 20:19:16 GMT
I'd be ecstatic if we finished in the top half of the table, although I fear not.
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Post by Coppo on May 23, 2016 21:43:27 GMT
Mid table would be great and maybe a cup run but as long as we maintain our status and preferably sooner than we did this year!
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Post by Woodenose on May 24, 2016 7:37:41 GMT
Well we played well against the top 6 sides and not so good against the bottom sides.A little improvement against those poorer sides and we could finish as high as 14th.But it would be nice to get a result against some "big clubs"
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Post by Mark on May 24, 2016 8:22:12 GMT
Promotion as Champions.
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Post by Woodenose on May 24, 2016 8:24:54 GMT
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Post by stgeorge on May 24, 2016 9:01:28 GMT
I'd take 4th from bottom but fearing the worst looking at the player recruitment of other teams so far
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Post by dcx on May 24, 2016 12:34:49 GMT
I'd take 4th from bottom but fearing the worst looking at the player recruitment of other teams so far Probably the most realistic comment thus far.
We are going to be down there with the likes of Gloucester and Brackley barring some unbelievable recruitment over the summer. We need to face the facts, with the budgets flying around in National North we have to concede that survival is probably going to be the best we can hope for this season.
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Post by thesecondjack on May 24, 2016 12:59:39 GMT
I believe there will be two clubs worse than us - there's then a group of 5-6 that I think we're in, any of who we could go down. We could well e relegated, or have a safe mid-table finish. This league is full of fine margins.
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Post by thatloudbloke on May 24, 2016 13:28:11 GMT
love to stay in this league, & a cup run is where i would want our team to end next season, oh & have a little more cash in the kitty, with the knowledge that we are coming home & stadium development started.
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Post by thesecondjack on May 24, 2016 13:56:15 GMT
love to stay in this league, & a cup run is where i would want our team to end next season, oh & have a little more cash in the kitty, with the knowledge that we are coming home & stadium development started. You forgot about having a City fan to win the lottery, and Messi signing for us!  If we don't sign at least one world class player it's a wasted season!  |
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Post by adycrean on May 24, 2016 16:45:20 GMT
Carl's strategy for next season seems to be to retain the core of the current team, and add a few new faces around them.
I have to say that is lower risk than a moe fundamental rebuild, and I would guess Carl is thinking the team underperformed last year in the league (...not helped by multiple sending offs).
One thing we need to add is pace to bolster the players already signed.
If so - I will optimistically plump for a healthy mid table finish.
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Post by dcx on May 24, 2016 17:47:40 GMT
I believe there will be two clubs worse than us - there's then a group of 5-6 that I think we're in, any of who we could go down. We could well e relegated, or have a safe mid-table finish. This league is full of fine margins. There may be two clubs worse than us but three go down, do the maths... We need a good start to next season to have any chance, and for that we need a settled side. Hence why I think I would like to only have 3 new recruits as starters, any more and you risk diluting the core of the team, particularly in defence. We are already on the back foot there as we need a new keeper, Hutch as a new CB and a new right back if Minihan leaves as expected. |
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Post by thesecondjack on May 24, 2016 17:55:21 GMT
I believe there will be two clubs worse than us - there's then a group of 5-6 that I think we're in, any of who we could go down. We could well e relegated, or have a safe mid-table finish. This league is full of fine margins. There may be two clubs worse than us but three go down, do the maths... We need a good start to next season to have any chance, and for that we need a settled side. Hence why I think I would like to only have 3 new recruits as starters, any more and you risk diluting the core of the team, particularly in defence. We are already on the back foot there as we need a new keeper, Hutch as a new CB and a new right back if Minihan leaves as expected. Please read the rest of my quote. There's then a group of 5-6 that I think we're in, any of who we could go down. We could well be relegated, or have a safe mid-table finish. This league is full of fine margins. |
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Post by dcx on May 24, 2016 18:37:01 GMT
There may be two clubs worse than us but three go down, do the maths... We need a good by Advertise"> start to next season to have any chance, and for that we need a settled side. Hence why I think I would like to only have 3 new recruits as starters, any more and you risk diluting the core of the team, particularly in defence. We are already on the back foot there as we need a new keeper, Hutch as a new CB and a new right back if Minihan leaves as expected. Please read the rest of my by Advertise"> quote. There's then a group of 5-6 that I think we're in, any of who we could go down. We could well be relegated, or have a safe mid-table finish. This league is full of fine margins. Sorry I misread that... Out of interest who are the two you think are worse than us? Brackley and Gloucester? I also think Stalybridge are pretty dire but that may have been an off night when we thumped them 5-0! |
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Post by thesecondjack on May 24, 2016 18:41:04 GMT
No worries!  Yup, Brackley and Gloucester I'm tipping to go down. The third being any from Gainsborough, Stalybridge, City, Telford (not convinced they'll be much better next season). My money being on Gainsborough. FC United could be the other - though I expect them to push on. |
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Post by dcx on May 24, 2016 18:49:34 GMT
No worries! Yup, Brackley and Gloucester I'm tipping to go down. The third being any from Gainsborough, Stalybridge, City, Telford (not convinced they'll be much better next season). My by Advertise"> money being on Gainsborough. FC United could be the other - though I expect them to push on. At the end of last season I would have agreed with you on Gainsborough, but they have made 6 signings already, all fairly powerful and pacey players. Not sure about their manager, was basically their captain with no management experience when he took over earlier this year, so might struggle tactically. Bottom line is, you can't really predict the league year on year, as half the time the squad at the end of the season bears no resemblance to the one that starts the next. Its a shame North Ferriby went up, if they hadn't the owners might have pulled the plug and they would have had a playing budget based on an average crowd of 150... |
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Post by thesecondjack on May 24, 2016 18:53:26 GMT
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't North Ferriby work on a small budget this season anyway? End of 14/15 season their owner pulled the plug.
It is a guessing game, but it's fun!
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Post by Dodger on May 24, 2016 19:15:03 GMT
Not sure on the level of the budget, but I believe they are still owned by the daughter & son-in-law of the Hull City owner, Assem Allam.
Dodger.
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Post by citytoon on May 24, 2016 19:30:44 GMT
My sources close to the Ferriby set up tell me that the wage bill wasn't that big last season compared with other teams in the league. The fact that they have "owners" is telling though. I would guess that even if not a lot of money was going into the wage bill then they are underwriting the club's other (running) costs as you can't sustain a club with crowds the size that Ferriby get.
Think Ferriby will struggle next season now that the management have gone, particularly if a couple of their main players move on the back of it (to Halifax or otherwise). Get the impression that the management were a key part of that set up and the success have had.
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Post by adycrean on May 24, 2016 19:40:36 GMT
The North Ferriby boss claimed they had the 2nd lowest budget in the league this season, when he was on the non league radio show recently
No idea how he would know to that level of detail?!
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Post by thesecondjack on May 24, 2016 19:43:36 GMT
To be fair, it seemed like Heeley said we had the lowest budget about 293845393 times in our first exile season.
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Post by dcx on May 24, 2016 20:02:18 GMT
My sources close to the Ferriby set up tell me that the wage bill wasn't that big last season compared with other teams in the league. The fact that they have "owners" is telling though. I would guess that even if not a lot of money was going into the wage bill then they are underwriting the club's other (running) costs as you can't sustain a club with crowds the size that Ferriby get. Think Ferriby will struggle next season now that the management have gone, particularly if a couple of their main players move on the back of it (to Halifax or otherwise). Get the impression that the management were a key part of that set up and the success have had. Weird decision from the management team to leave to join a team playing in National North, you would have thought they would have fancied a crack in the Premier?! I don't buy the "second smallest budget in the league" bullshit for one second. Perhaps not as big as Fylde, Boston, Nuneaton etc but there is no way you can put together a promotion winning side in this league without a bit of cash. Having Ms Allam on board doesn't exactly scream 'poverty stricken club' either. |
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Post by jonosmithkhfc on May 24, 2016 20:15:01 GMT
I don't think anyone from Kidderminster is "promising" promotion.
We are fearful of how we will fair. Lots of teams struggle. Our best player last season was a loanee who has left. We don't have a goalscorer and there is talk of the French contingent leaving. So please don't paint us as though we think we'll walk it because we don't.
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Post by Mark on May 24, 2016 22:03:51 GMT
Has the Doc changed your medication? Yes, and I saw Elvis in the Shambles last week! On a serious note, I think we will struggle but If we can retain our league position and have a decent cup run I will be happy. |
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Post by jupu on May 25, 2016 8:14:47 GMT
Just a thought, but how would you all feel if we didn't have any decent cup runs next season but surpassed all expectations in the league and maybe challenged for the play-offs? A bit like 11/12 when Symmo was first here and we also had O'Connor, Thorley, Glover. I won't mention Godalming though...
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Post by Mark on May 25, 2016 8:31:35 GMT
Just a thought, but how would you all feel if we didn't have any decent cup runs next season but surpassed all expectations in the league and maybe challenged for the play-offs? A bit like 11/12 when Symmo was first here and we also had O'Connor, Thorley, Glover. I won't mention Godalming though... Personally, I would be happy with that. |
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Post by auldreekie on May 25, 2016 9:54:55 GMT
Just a thought, but how would you all feel if we didn't have any decent cup runs next season but surpassed all expectations in the league and maybe challenged for the play-offs? A bit like 11/12 when Symmo was first here and we also had O'Connor, Thorley, Glover. I won't mention Godalming though... I am not a total believer in the theory that the bigger the playing budget the better the results. It is how you spend it and how the new players integrate into the team that are key. Where money certainly makes a difference is the size of the squad that allows a part-time club to deal with the run of mid-week games early in the season. As we know this can involve long travelling distances and clashes with work commitments as well as having to deal with injuries from such a schedule. With clubs playing around 1/3rd of their league games by the end of November a good start is essential. With City looking to re-sign the core of last season’s squad we are in a good position to have a reasonable start and with that confidence will grow. Jupu raises an interesting question that is as much about finances as supporters’ aspirations. The income from a Cup run is significant and keeps the club’s name on the front pages as well as the back. But to make a significant upward progress in the league then it is the size of the squad in the early part of the season that will be the key issue and that needs more money and so FA Cup progress needs to be a target. All clubs have a dip in form at some point in the season and some clubs then put a string of results together that catapults them up the league. So I am quietly confident of a good steady start to the season that will include a FA Cup run. There will be a wee dip in form around Christmas before the team put a good run of results together in thr new year and then who knows! So in answer to Jupu’s question I want my cake and to be able to eat it too! |
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Post by thesecondjack on May 25, 2016 11:37:52 GMT
Just a thought, but how would you all feel if we didn't have any decent cup runs next season but surpassed all expectations in the league and maybe challenged for the play-offs? A bit like 11/12 when Symmo was first here and we also had O'Connor, Thorley, Glover. I won't mention Godalming though... It depends how much of a cup run, If we could get to the third round, it'd beat promotion ''Chester style'' in my eyes. From a financial point of view if nothing else. The club needs money, league position doesn't really give that. Besides, the season to aim for promotion is surely the last one we have before we're at Perdiswell. |
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