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Post by thatloudbloke on Apr 21, 2016 15:32:33 GMT
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Post by thesecondjack on Apr 21, 2016 15:42:35 GMT
If they've been given permission, then it'd suggest that we'll get a pay off of some sort on Matts contract.
I'd prefer him to stick with us, I rather like the guy, I'd also suggest that going form a joint manager role to a coaching role would be a backwards step in his career.
I guess we'll have to wait and see.
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Post by dcx on Apr 21, 2016 15:51:56 GMT
If he is prepared to talk and it's made its way into the newspaper, its more or less a done deal.
He will have been offered more money, chance to work with a full time outfit and a better chance of going up next season (or avoiding relegation at least).
Feel like Carl needs him to be honest, think he will struggle on his own. Huge blow.
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Post by thatloudbloke on Apr 21, 2016 15:58:15 GMT
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Post by alwaysnextyear on Apr 21, 2016 16:01:24 GMT
Not a done deal at all.
The Club has correctly given Matt permission to talk to Harriers. I'm sure that Matt would want to hear what they've got to say. If someone wanted you to work for them, wouldn't you want to find out what's on offer ? Then it's his decision.
However, would Matt want to give up the security of his good job to go full time at the same level as ourselves ? I'm sure that financially, Matt's day job and part time job with us, is worth far more than anything Harriers could offer him. Career wise, I'd say that it would be a backwards step also. Expectations at Harriers next season will be very high, as according to Colin Gordon who talks a good game " they will playing the passing style again ". Job security at Harriers tends not be very good !
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Post by rob on Apr 21, 2016 16:12:36 GMT
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Post by stamoo on Apr 21, 2016 16:13:12 GMT
Agree it is that difficult issue about moving from part-time, with job security, to,full time with very little! And the chance to do full time something you love! I think Matt has been tremendous for us his enthusiasm shines through and with the contacts he has at Tottenham through his brother he brings a high level of professionalism and up to date thinking from the professional game to our Club And he seems a thoroughly nice chap, he's always wonderful with the kids. He would be a big loss but if it's what he wants I'd wish him well.
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Post by thatloudbloke on Apr 21, 2016 16:24:11 GMT
think that says it all...IMHO he has gone, as why would they put this !!! In the meantime we have a vitally important game away at AFC Telford this coming Saturday so with that in mind Matt has been placed on temporary leave to allow us to fully focus on the task in hand without any distractions. Carl Heeley will take sole charge once again and will be assisted by current first team coach, John Snape until the end of the campaign. We will be making no further comment until after the conclusion of the season where the situation will be reassessed and further communication will follow thereafter.
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Post by jimbo on Apr 21, 2016 16:32:49 GMT
An opening for Hughes perhaps ?
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Post by thatloudbloke on Apr 21, 2016 16:36:32 GMT
An opening for Hughes perhaps ? Wayne Thomas would be ideal in my eyes...
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Post by alwaysnextyear on Apr 21, 2016 16:38:30 GMT
Err.............They put it, because as the Club says " it doesn't want any distractions "........ and very sensible too. Snapper is a very safe pair of hands, and it allows Matt the time to make a decision on what Harriers have to offer, and whether he wants it or not. Well done WCFC. It appears that the Harriers fans aren't too chuffed about their new manager John Eustace www.harriers-online.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=9636
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Post by Dodger on Apr 21, 2016 16:55:57 GMT
As I see it, it is good and bad for Matt (notwithstanding the loss to City).
He'll have the chance to be head coach in his own right which will be good for his CV.
He will bring his undersrandings of the NN to KHFC (something they'll need)
However, Colin Gordon is unlikely to give up his 'interference' in first team selection, so Matt might need to toe the line in that aspect. If KHFC don't bounce back immediately (something that CG has said they will do) Matt becomes the fall-guy. As mentioned earlier on, job security at KHFC is rocky to say the least.
Dodger.
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Post by wcfcnb82 on Apr 21, 2016 17:31:57 GMT
If Matt decides to leave then heeley won't become sole manager again, with his work commitments and being a board member. Maybe it will be time for heeley to move upstairs and bring in s new manager
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Post by thesecondjack on Apr 21, 2016 17:40:27 GMT
I suggested shortly after Heeleys appointment to the board that I thought he'd move to being director only, Matt as manager and Thommo as assistant as of next season (Thommo has said he wants to go into management). Not sure what will happen now. Anyone got George Rooneys number just in case?!
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Post by cityman on Apr 21, 2016 18:01:29 GMT
Give Prescott a ring aswell while you're at it.
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Post by jonosmithkhfc on Apr 21, 2016 18:23:13 GMT
As I see it, it is good and bad for Matt (notwithstanding the loss to City). He'll have the chance to be head coach in his own right which will be good for his CV. He will bring his undersrandings of the NN to KHFC (something they'll need) However, Colin Gordon is unlikely to give up his 'interference' in first team selection, so Matt might need to toe the line in that aspect. If KHFC don't bounce back immediately (something that CG has said they will do) Matt becomes the fall-guy. As mentioned earlier on, job security at KHFC is rocky to say the least. Dodger. I'm not sure Gordon has said we WILL bounce back immediately. Most Harriers are very skeptical that that will happen. We're certainly not wearing any "on loan to the north" t shirts and some are worried about a double relegation. Yes Gordon will want to bounce back but I don't hear anyone talking as if it's going to happen. Why should it? We have been awful this year and many of those players are still contracted! Good to read nice things about Matt. I suppose he has to weigh up finance, career progression and security. Not an easy decision ...
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Post by stamoo on Apr 21, 2016 18:31:23 GMT
If Matt decides to leave then heeley won't become sole manager again, with his work commitments and being a board member. Maybe it will be time for heeley to move upstairs and bring in s new manager Why would anyone think Carl WOULD become sole manager again? If Matt does go Carl will get someone else to work alongside him obviously! The question is who? And why on earth would we not want Carl to continue as Manager, the guys performed miracles for us!!!!
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Post by adycrean on Apr 21, 2016 18:32:00 GMT
Sounds like a foregone conclusion he will go.
Smart move by Kiddy - Gardiner knows the league well. That said, I am sincerely hoping that Harriers fall flat on their faces next season - this just adds to it.
Thomas would seem to be an ideal replacement - what does he do now besides play for City?
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Post by jonosmithkhfc on Apr 21, 2016 18:46:13 GMT
Touché
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Post by thatloudbloke on Apr 21, 2016 19:00:11 GMT
i will be most happy if we play Kiddy last game of the season & relegate them, justice me thinks. out priced us for what now want to poach part of our management team, they could always take on Mcdonald, cheap player would fit in well with them....
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Post by jonosmithkhfc on Apr 21, 2016 19:04:49 GMT
Justice for what? Putting the rent up on our ground?!
Wanting us relegated? I would expect nothing less! Next season will be fun. Don't do anything stupid and get relegated..... Surely you're safe now?
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Post by thesecondjack on Apr 21, 2016 19:21:46 GMT
We're officially 2 points from safety, but yeah, we're safe.
I'd much rather Kiddy stay in the same league as us for the next 10 years. Below us in the league, of course.
Get the cash register ringing. Goodness know it's needed.
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Post by harley on Apr 21, 2016 20:19:14 GMT
Not impressed by the timing, another ten days and it would be season over and then no disruption. Harriers are expecting to continue with their passing game which to quote the guy who covers them on BBC H&W "the national north will have seen nothing like it". Probably because most of the pitches are like ploughed fields. Matt's got a tough decision but if he wants a long term, full time career in football he has to take this opportunity or it may never happen again for him.
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Post by The Verner on Apr 21, 2016 20:52:40 GMT
Would it make sense though ? I mean Kiddy are not exactly brilliant financially...what happens if they go bust in 6 months time.
More worryingly....how many players will they also try and poach ?
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Post by stgeorge on Apr 21, 2016 21:07:05 GMT
God help Kiddy if they take any of our shower. If Matt goes time to get a new man in charge and move Carl upstairs.
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Post by jupu on Apr 21, 2016 22:03:56 GMT
Sounds like a foregone conclusion he will go. Smart move by Kiddy - Gardiner knows the league well. That said, I am sincerely hoping that Harriers fall flat on their faces next season - this just adds to it. Thomas would seem to be an ideal replacement - what does he do now besides play for City? Thommo as the Academy coach at Wigan Athletic. Personally I think there could be an opportunity for Danny Jackman to step up to a player-coach role.
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Post by thesecondjack on Apr 21, 2016 22:12:15 GMT
Thommo has said in the past he wants to go into management after his playing career, the question is, what is the better stepping stone, youth coach at Wigan, or Assistant at Worcester? Biased I know, but I'd suggest being a first team assistant is the better place to learn your trade.
Jacko is a good call if he's interested, I'll admit I didn't think about him. Would it be a bit odd having your assistant as your captain too, though?
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Post by cloud on Apr 22, 2016 8:22:06 GMT
I'd like us to revert back to having just one manager. Most clubs don't have joint managers, & that's for a reason.
Manager, with coaches to help - that will be fine.
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Post by auldreekie on Apr 22, 2016 8:43:32 GMT
Not impressed by the timing, another ten days and it would be season over and then no disruption. Harriers are expecting to continue with their passing game which to quote the guy who covers them on BBC H&W "the national north will have seen nothing like it". Probably because most of the pitches are like ploughed fields. Matt's got a tough decision but if he wants a long term, full time career in football he has to take this opportunity or it may never happen again for him. Like you I was not impressed with the timing. The City board has acted quickly and decisively in the interests of the club with the circumstances before them. Unless of course this is a “ done deal” I cannot understand why the approach has been publicised. Normally clubs approaching a prospective manager/coach will do this behind closed doors after obtaining permission from the manager’s /coach’s current club. Apart from showing respect between the two clubs it allows each club to manage the situation. It also allows a deal to be struck before other clubs realise someone they thought was “ unavailable” might be “ available” after all and in the case of an offer being rejected it prevents the eventual incumbent being thought of as “ second choice”. In contrast the new Harriers manager had a much longer courtship with Glasgow Rangers. In the last close-season Rangers had their eye on him as the experienced on-field leader that would help them to return to the top flight. There may have been a coaching opportunity. Without signing a deal I believe he trained with them as part of a recovery from a serious injury but for some reason the interest cooled later in the autumn.
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Post by auldreekie on Apr 22, 2016 8:53:19 GMT
Not impressed by the timing, another ten days and it would be season over and then no disruption. Harriers are expecting to continue with their passing game which to quote the guy who covers them on BBC H&W "the national north will have seen nothing like it". Probably because most of the pitches are like ploughed fields. Matt's got a tough decision but if he wants a long term, full time career in football he has to take this opportunity or it may never happen again for him. Like you I was not impressed with the timing. The City board has acted quickly and decisively in the interests of the club with the circumstances before them. Unless of course this is a “ done deal” I cannot understand why the approach has been publicised. Normally clubs approaching a prospective manager/coach will do this behind closed doors after obtaining permission from the manager’s /coach’s current club. Apart from showing respect between the two clubs it allows each club to manage the situation. It also allows a deal to be struck before other clubs realise someone they thought was “ unavailable” might be “ available” after all and in the case of an offer being rejected it prevents the eventual incumbent being thought of as “ second choice”. In contrast the new Harriers manager had a much longer courtship with Glasgow Rangers. In the last close-season Rangers had their eye on him as the experienced on-field leader that would help them to return to the top flight. There may have been a coaching opportunity. Without signing a deal I believe he trained with them as part of a recovery from a serious injury but for some reason the interest cooled later in the autumn. I meant to add does it mean Matt is on what is commonly referred to in these circumstances as " Gardening Leave"!
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