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Post by creaner on Apr 11, 2016 18:08:13 GMT
It's Election time so you will be getting prospective councillors of all varieties knocking on your door between mow and My 5th. Be sure to ask them all what their views are on City moving to Perdiswell but make sure the question counts!
Whatever you do, don't ask about the planning application! They will say they "can't comment on planning matters". And they are right, they will not and should not. It's not the right question and your giving them an easy way out. Here's the situation, We continue the ongoing planning process supplying the WCC planners with all they need to satisfy themselves on all the objections from all the consultees. The following scenarios unfold:
1. Planners recommend that planning committee refuse to approve the application. They kick it out and we're knacked 2. Planners recommend that planning committee approve the application. They approve! This is what where we are trying to get to. Planners approve and we have this in our pocket for 3 years 3. Planners recommend that planning committee approve the application. They reject. We appeal, they need to have valid planning reasons to say no.
All being well we come out with an approved planning application.
So the question that needs asking now and up till the local elections in May is:
"If the planning application was approved would you support the principle of WCFC becoming part of the sporting hub at Perdiswell?".
They may say they are looking at alternatives which is an answer but not to the question you asked! Make them answer specifically on Perdiswell and, if you feel strongly about getting City home, possibly suggest where you cast your vote may depend on their answer!
Ask the right question!
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Post by Croc on Apr 11, 2016 20:06:17 GMT
Did some quick sketching today based on the names released on the Council site.
If things go according to names and/or party lines - it'll be a 17-17 tie with the Greens on 1 (if Laurenson keeps his seat).
Just need a couple of seats to go against the grain to give Labour control
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Post by Dodger on Apr 11, 2016 20:17:57 GMT
Did some quick sketching today based on the names released on the Council site. If things go according to names and/or party lines - it'll be a 17-17 tie with the Greens on 1 (if Laurenson keeps his seat). Just need a couple of seats to go against the grain to give Labour control Voters are funny creatures......if the furore over the off-shore tax files and, in particular. the David Cameron issue of his fathers off-shore investments, doesn't die down, many voters may see this as 'typical Tory attitude' to wealth and social inequality and decide to vote Labour in protest. Dodger.
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Post by thesecondjack on Apr 12, 2016 12:38:08 GMT
Came through my door today, not quite a face to face conversation but Tracey Biggs in Nunnery Ward says she wants to see the club back in Worcester (see last paragraph).
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Post by creaner on May 3, 2016 22:34:12 GMT
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Post by thesecondjack on May 3, 2016 23:33:01 GMT
Marc Bayliss: ''I'm a non league football fan.''
Very much a politicians way of sounding like he supports us, when he supports Kiddy.
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on May 4, 2016 7:35:56 GMT
I really don't mind who Marc Bayliss supports, the question to councillors is "Do you support the proposal to bring Worcester City FC back home to Perdiswell?" If they start saying that they can't discuss planning applications then ask "If planning was approved for the football ground to be developed at Perdiswell, would you have any objections?"
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Post by thesecondjack on May 4, 2016 10:57:33 GMT
Nor do I, it just made me chuckle.
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Post by Croc on May 4, 2016 12:17:03 GMT
Just done some more analysis about tomorrow - this could well be the most interesting election for years:
Ward (and Party defending seat) ------------------------------- Arboretum, Labour Battenhall, Con Bedwardine, Con Cathedral, Labour Claines, Con Gorse Hill, Labour Nunnery, Labour Rainbow Hill, Labour St Clement, Con St John, Labour St Stephen, Green Warndon, Con
State of Parties Currently (Total without Seats defended) ---------------------- Conservative: 19 (14) Labour: 15 (9) Green: 1 (0)
Predicted outcomes: -------------------- Arboretum, Labour Battenhall, Green from Con Bedwardine, Con hold Cathedral, Labour hold Claines, Lib Dem from Con Gorse Hill, Labour hold Nunnery, Labour hold Rainbow Hill, Labour hold St Clement, Con hold St John, Labour hold St Stephen, Green hold Warndon, Labour from Con
State of the Parties after: --------------------------- Con: 16 Lab: 16 Grn: 2 LD: 1
So - it looks like Claines, St Stephen, Battenhall are the three key areas that could go any way...
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Post by citytoon on May 4, 2016 12:39:36 GMT
The real test of any of these pre election "promises" will of course come when planning approval is granted. Only then will we know just how committed the Council are (whoever that may be made up of post 5 May) in bringing City home.
It is noticeable that Marc Bayliss doesn't raise City in his "meet the leader" summary but is the first item mentioned by Adrian Gregson. If I was a Worcester resident I know where my vote would be going...
Of the bits that I have listened to so far (the leaders of the Conservatives and Labour parties) the relevant bits on City for those who can't face trawling through it all can be found here:
From 6:50 here: In depth interview: Adrian Gregson (Labour)
From 7:30 here: In depth interview: Marc Bayliss (Conservative)
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Post by creaner on May 4, 2016 14:50:23 GMT
Just done some more analysis about tomorrow - this could well be the most interesting election for years: Ward (and Party defending seat) ------------------------------- Arboretum, Labour Battenhall, Con Bedwardine, Con Cathedral, Labour Claines, Con Gorse Hill, Labour Nunnery, Labour Rainbow Hill, Labour St Clement, Con St John, Labour St Stephen, Green Warndon, Con State of Parties Currently (Total without Seats defended) ---------------------- Conservative: 19 (14) Labour: 15 (9) Green: 1 (0) Predicted outcomes: -------------------- Arboretum, Labour Battenhall, Green from Con Bedwardine, Con hold Cathedral, Labour hold Claines, Lib Dem from Con Gorse Hill, Labour hold Nunnery, Labour hold Rainbow Hill, Labour hold St Clement, Con hold St John, Labour hold St Stephen, Green hold Warndon, Labour from Con State of the Parties after: --------------------------- Con: 16 Lab: 16 Grn: 2 LD: 1 So - it looks like Claines, St Stephen, Battenhall are the three key areas that could go any way... I still think Bedwardine could be interesting with the Alan Amos "effect". Also to see if UKIP vote changes with EU referendum coming up.
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Post by The Verner on May 4, 2016 15:01:59 GMT
I havent had anyone knock on my door or post anything through the letterbox !
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Post by Woodenose on May 4, 2016 15:55:12 GMT
I will be wearing my City top when I go walking in St Stephens, Claines and Warndon tomorrow, before I pop into vote.
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Post by thesecondjack on May 4, 2016 16:12:31 GMT
I've had one Labour - I posted it above, mentioned supporting us, and I had one from UKIP, which looked very brief, and about Europe, but I didn't want to touch it for fear of bursting into flames.
I've had nothing from Greens, Conservatives or Lib Dems.
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Post by Woodenose on May 4, 2016 16:52:00 GMT
I've had one Labour - I posted it above, mentioned supporting us, and I had one from UKIP, which looked very brief, and about Europe, but I didn't want to touch it for fear of bursting into flames. I've had nothing from Greens, Conservatives or Lib Dems. I can't see the Greens agreeing to Perdiswell as they want to "protect"green space,Tories don't want the club there, Lib-Dem wanted the £10m pool but not the football club. What chance have we got if the only support is from Labour?
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Post by wr3 on May 4, 2016 18:16:52 GMT
I've had two knocks from the local Tory candidate in St Stephens. Both times I laughed in her face.
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Post by harley on May 4, 2016 20:19:24 GMT
No vote in my ward for the council this year.
Apparently when Robin Walker visited Blessed Edward to speak to Year 8 students a couple of weeks ago one of the students asked him about Perdiswell. Unfortunately my son who was there can't remember his answer.
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Post by Dodger on May 4, 2016 20:30:41 GMT
No vote in my ward for the council this year. Apparently when Robin Walker visited Blessed Edward to speak to Year 8 students a couple of weeks ago one of the students asked him about Perdiswell. Unfortunately my son who was there can't remember his answer. Mr Waker's reply was probably "Perdi.....where?" Dodger.
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Post by wr3 on May 5, 2016 6:49:29 GMT
Just got my vote in!
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Post by Croc on May 5, 2016 9:43:28 GMT
Discharged my democratic duties...
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Post by Mark on May 5, 2016 16:47:23 GMT
Did mine this morning
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Post by thesecondjack on May 5, 2016 17:34:48 GMT
Just about to go and do mine, after a day lending a hand to my party of choice (I'll give you a clue, it's not Conservative, Green, Lib Dem or UKIP).
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Post by thesecondjack on May 6, 2016 1:35:36 GMT
Right, so after it all - Conservatives LOSE overall control of Worcester City Council.
Labour get Warndon back from the defector, and Green Party gain Battenhall from Conservatives.
Leaves it as followed: Conservatives 17 Labour 16 Greens 2
meaning no party has overall control
As I see it, if Labour can work some deal with the Greens, then it looks good for ourselves. If not, we're in a boat similar to the one we were in yesterday!
Will the Greens team up with Labour? I dunno. Would they be willing to stand down on Perdiswell? I dunno (I believe Neil Laurenson isn't in favour of the ground being there).
My tired, bodge job A level politics summary - the make up of the council is better than it was, when looking at it from WCFC's view. But that's just my opinion.
Wait and see over the next couple of days.
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Post by creaner on May 6, 2016 6:24:41 GMT
I don't know about the Spanish inquisition but I din't expect this! Hoped for, yes. Get in!! Tories Lose Council
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Post by harley on May 6, 2016 6:43:11 GMT
Nicely set up for the Conservatives to vote in favour of Perdiswell just to get back at the Greens
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Post by Croc on May 6, 2016 7:45:06 GMT
Worcester was the only council nationally that the Tories lost control of last night.
Did find it a bit rich listening to the radio this morning with Bayliss calling the Labour - Green helping each other out in Battenhall a "grubby little deal". Then he went onto moan about how the Greens and Labour would team up to take control of the Council at the first full meeting.
The irony of power grabbing deals lost on him after the Amos affair...
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Post by Croc on May 6, 2016 8:25:40 GMT
Nicely set up for the Conservatives to vote in favour of Perdiswell just to get back at the Greens That'd be certainly interesting (but it probably won't happen) - if not to just see the reaction of the staunch anti plan residents of St Stephen after years of having Gareth Jones scaremongering...
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Post by thesecondjack on May 6, 2016 8:30:41 GMT
I do believe a couple of Conservatives DO want to support the plans - we just have to hope they are happy to show that by working with others who want to support the plans.
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Post by alwaysnextyear on May 6, 2016 10:32:48 GMT
The irony of Bayliss moaning about a " dirty tricks plot " in Battenhall ! No local politician in my lifetime has been grubbier than Alan Amos ( although Allah Ditta's not far behind ), yet doing deals with him ( mayor, chairman of the planning committee, moved to a " safe " ward ) is fine ! Is it any wonder that there is such apathy about politics, when people with these morals are in charge ?
However from a WCFC new ground point of view, it can only be good news. Bayliss and the Tories had little desire for Perdiswell. Who knows whether things will change, but this election can only improve our chances.
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Post by citytoon on May 6, 2016 11:50:18 GMT
Whilst it is excellent news that the Tories no longer have control it does leave me wondering exactly what we are left with. If Labour and Greens do a deal then no doubt that improves prospects, however if not (as was Louis Stephen's stance prior to yesterday) then my fear is that a hung Council gets bogged down over issues such as Perdiswell. I am not au fait with the detail but all I know is that squabbling politicians are capable of gobbling up a lot of time, something that we don't have on our side.
Clear direction and action is what's required from the City Council and my concern is that the current position impacts on the possibility of that happening. I hope I'm wrong.
Still, anything is better than having Bayliss' boys having control and running the show so an overall positive.
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