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Post by Dodger on Jun 15, 2015 17:07:19 GMT
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Post by Mark on Jun 15, 2015 17:49:23 GMT
Sounds poor to me given the heroics of last season or maybe I was just too quick off the marks getting mine
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Post by cityforever on Jun 15, 2015 18:41:24 GMT
Sounds disappointing to me given last seasons fantastic experience. I don't understand the apathy??
Difficult to see how we will match the 300 of last season, but let's hope I'm wrong
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Post by stamoo on Jun 15, 2015 20:25:55 GMT
I really wouldn't read too much into this as there will be a late surge in purchasing season tickets towards the end of the month (me and others included) before the early bird discount ceases. It still feels a bit like post season rather than pre-season and many will have just not got around to it. It really is a great discount and I am sure many will not want to miss out. There may be a slight drop off but I don't think it will be significant at all and those who do not get around to buying season tickets will in the majority of cases still attend games.
What we need is a positive result from the planning application and a good winning start to the campaign to generate more of that feel good factor and attract the lapsed or floating fans. Heres hoping!!!!
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Post by Down The Pan on Jun 16, 2015 9:25:32 GMT
I will not buy my season ticket until we see some transparency from the club, they've been saying that there will be an AGM for months, and it hasnt happened. I know of quite a number of shareholders who are doing the same. So it might cost us 40 quid in the long run? big deal, I'd like to see where 2.5 million has gone before I invest any money upfront in the company.
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Post by Tim Munslow on Jun 16, 2015 11:34:05 GMT
I note that Hereford FC have sold 800 season tickets: 120 sounds really poor to me.
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Post by Woodenose on Jun 16, 2015 20:33:50 GMT
I will not buy my season ticket until we see some transparency from the club, they've been saying that there will be an AGM for months, and it hasnt happened. I know of quite a number of shareholders who are doing the same. So it might cost us 40 quid in the long run? big deal, I'd like to see where 2.5 million has gone before I invest any money upfront in the company. I should imagine that after paying the Harriers £50,000 over 3 season and then the players wages ,any remaining money we be used to build a new stadium if successful in their application. As a City supporter not "investing" in the club it seems a strange thing to do , as every season ticket bought will help the club survive |
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Post by thesecondjack on Jun 16, 2015 21:34:18 GMT
Even if we do sell 300, it still might not even cover the cost of rent for the year.
I'll admit that before last season I had been a bit out of love with the club, but I've got a season ticket sorted for next year, so does my dad who last had one before I was born.
Where have the cup crowds gone?
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Post by jimbo on Jun 17, 2015 0:05:17 GMT
Some people may be missing the point here.
Forget the fact that Jem is a long term supporter of WCFC, he is also a shareholder & I presume like myself is looking for answers from the company of which we partly own.
Regardless to the fact that our shareholding is worthless, we paid well earntt money to support the club in this way....... We deserve, in fact have the right to to demand accountability from The Board of Directors.
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Post by althom on Jun 17, 2015 10:51:36 GMT
Certainly some accountability from the Board of Directors to both shareholders and fans regarding the financial situation at the club, including details of the proceeds of the cup run and transfers from last season are well overdue, if only to allay any unfounded public suspicions.
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Post by Down The Pan on Jun 17, 2015 13:21:12 GMT
I will not buy my season ticket until we see some transparency from the club, they've been saying that there will be an AGM for months, and it hasnt happened. I know of quite a number of shareholders who are doing the same. So it might cost us 40 quid in the long run? big deal, I'd like to see where 2.5 million has gone before I invest any money upfront in the company. I should imagine that after paying the Harriers £50,000 over 3 season and then the players wages ,any remaining money we be used to build a new stadium if successful in their application. As a City supporter not "investing" in the club it seems a strange thing to do , as every season ticket bought will help the club survive And therein lies the problem, all you (and I) can do is imagine. Forget the fact that this is a football club and people get all emotionally attached to a few guys kicking a ball around. This is a business , a limited company, of which I am a shareholder. As an owner in the business I need to do more than just imagine what's going on with the finances. And I'm not overly sure that I want this Ltd company to survive, certainly not in its present guise, and certainly not with the present board of directors at the helm. |
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Post by Down The Pan on Jun 17, 2015 13:32:43 GMT
Certainly some accountability from the Board of Directors to both shareholders and fans regarding the financial situation at the club, including details of the proceeds of the cup run and transfers from last season are well overdue, if only to allay any unfounded public suspicions. Correct, and my concern is this. After the Cup run, and player sales for cash, there was a real feel good factor around the club. That was the perfect time to hold an AGM. It was the perfect time to portray a very impressive account of how the club had been run from the top, even if it wasn't true. also it was the perfect time to bury any bad news, even not mention it at all. Even tricky questions could have been managed out effectively. So why didn't they do it? Unfortunately that boat has now sailed, the Board appear to be acting ineffectively, almost stagnant. To be fair to the previous Board, they may have been wrong in some of their thinking, but they were at least more transparent in their actions. At least they gave shareholders the opportunity to question them, and gave answers. They may have been proved wrong about Nunnery Way and the SMD debacle, but at least one could understand the rationale behind it. I have no idea, as a shareholder or as a supporter, what the direction of the present Board is. I'd at least like a clue. |
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Post by Down The Pan on Jun 17, 2015 13:33:55 GMT
Sounds disappointing to me given last seasons fantastic experience. I don't understand the apathy?? Difficult to see how we will match the 300 of last season, but let's hope I'm wrong I understand the apathy, its always been the same. |
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Post by glevumblues on Jun 17, 2015 13:48:59 GMT
So is Brooksider not buying his season ticket yet on the wholly justifiable grounds of lack of transparency regarding the Club's finances while the rest of our 'fans' (minus 120 apparently)are just being apathetic like they always are?
Genuinely, what should the next course of action be for supporters and especially shareholders? I seem to recall the last set of published accounts told us how much the pay-off was when Andy Preece left!
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Post by Down The Pan on Jun 17, 2015 15:13:28 GMT
I'm not alone in not being dragged in by the "early bird" discount, although the truth is, from an accounting perspective it hardly matters whether tickets are bought in June, July or August. From a cashflow perspective, if the club is desperate for cash after the payout from SMD last season, then that suggests a rather major problem that we are not being told about. To be frank, I don't think that there is a cashflow issue, so me and others not buying season tickets early is not going to make that big a difference to the finances of the club. I'd be happy to discuss and debate this, but of course, we are not going to be given that opportunity any time soon!! are we?
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Post by The Verner on Jun 17, 2015 15:28:56 GMT
Jem, for god sakes cool yourself down, have a shower or a beer.
I agree there should have been an AGM but you cannot compare this board (minus Rich who has since left) with the previous board who lost the clubs home, got us into a crap deal with St Mods etc etc
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Post by Down The Pan on Jun 17, 2015 15:39:20 GMT
Unfortunately, you can! and you will! Time will tell. Ask yourself why no AGM has been called? The finances probably look ok. Take a look at the bigger picture and get out of match day mode.
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Post by adycrean on Jun 17, 2015 15:52:28 GMT
I am personally reluctant to confuse the two issues (whether I buy a season ticket and the board’s actions) – I have got one despite living circa 100 miles away and only being able to attend a handful of games.
BUT Brooksider has a very valid point regarding the Board. For me, it is less about the current cashflows, and more about the existence and communication of a clear vision for our football club – and the clear sets of plans that will get us there. The only entity that is formulating and driving such a perspective is the Supporters Trust – without whom for example there would be no ground application. And I may be mis-reading things, but the departure of Rich from the board was very telling for me – he epitomised the character and drive we need.
It leads me to suspect there is no plan. The club is (at least for now) cash rich, but that will be quickly ebbed away without a long term basis on which the club can operate – which has to mean a new ground, significant fund raising and supporter ownership (and all 3 are inextricably linked). These issues have to be confronted head on, and I worry they are not being embraced by the Board.
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Post by Down The Pan on Jun 17, 2015 16:06:58 GMT
Adycrean, that is exactly the point.
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Post by downthelane on Jun 18, 2015 8:16:43 GMT
There does seem to be an over-egging of the Supporter Ownership concept - it's almost like people think everything will be rosey in the garden when we become Supporter Owned. Will it, really??
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Post by adycrean on Jun 18, 2015 9:16:37 GMT
There does seem to be an over-egging of the Supporter Ownership concept - it's almost like people think everything will be rosey in the garden when we become Supporter Owned. Will it, really?? I doubt it, but: - it puts the club's direction in the hands of us supporters, and offers us some protection as a club against future 'mismanagement', and - very practically, opens up a number of funding and investment avenues, which are essential to support the development of any new stadium See this thread for more detailed overview: citybanterboard.proboards.com/thread/4243/community-ownership-model-worcester-city |
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Post by Woodenose on Jun 18, 2015 13:25:59 GMT
Unfortunately, you can! and you will! Time will tell. Ask yourself why no AGM has been called? The finances probably look ok. Take a look at the bigger picture and get out of match day mode. You could message the Directors (all of them) directly, then you could then let us all know the outcome.It would be nice to know the currant situation. |
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Post by Croc on Jun 18, 2015 13:51:46 GMT
Unfortunately, you can! and you will! Time will tell. Ask yourself why no AGM has been called? The finances probably look ok. Take a look at the bigger picture and get out of match day mode. You could message the Directors (all of them) directly, then you could then let us all know the outcome.It would be nice to know the currant situation. I'm looking forward to seeing raisins for the silence of the currant situation... |
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Post by Down The Pan on Jun 18, 2015 14:14:23 GMT
There does seem to be an over-egging of the Supporter Ownership concept - it's almost like people think everything will be rosey in the garden when we become Supporter Owned. Will it, really?? No it won't be, it will be a lot of hard work, and will need at least 50, even 100 dedicated people who are prepared to put a lot of time and effort into the running of the club. Supporter Ownership or more correctly Community Ownership (you don't have to be a supporter to be involved) is not enough, supporter involvement is far more important for the future of the club. At the moment, outside of the Board, there are probably less than 20 people , most of them in the Supporters Trust who do anything away from match days (its probably closer to 10), and there have been no additional volunteers coming forward from any of the meetings that the Supporters Trust have held. Supporter Ownership as a concept is the way forward , particularly for WCFC in their present predicament, but it relies on supporters doing more than singing songs and boasting about how many miles they've clocked up going to away games! |
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Post by Down The Pan on Jun 18, 2015 14:15:23 GMT
Unfortunately, you can! and you will! Time will tell. Ask yourself why no AGM has been called? The finances probably look ok. Take a look at the bigger picture and get out of match day mode. You could message the Directors (all of them) directly, then you could then let us all know the outcome.It would be nice to know the currant situation. YOU could message the Directors, why does it always have to be done by "somebody else" ?? |
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Post by downthelane on Jun 18, 2015 14:57:13 GMT
Brooksider you said "Ask yourself why no AGM has been called? The finances probably look ok. Take a look at the bigger picture and get out of match day mode"
As you said it, why do you think no AGM has been called?
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Post by lancashirelad on Jun 18, 2015 16:53:26 GMT
I note that Hereford FC have sold 800 season tickets: 120 sounds really poor to me. Just out of interest I note the adult price of a season ticket is £210 until 30th, then it goes up (15%) to £241.50 (?) from July 1st. And pay on the day is £13. My local side - Chorley FC - have season tickets on sale for £180 - then they go up to £190 from July 1st. And pay on the day is still £10 - (yes just ten quid). Are Citys prices on the high side - or average for this league? I also understand that City have to pay Kiddy over a grand a game to rent their ground, where as Chorley only have to pay that nice Trevor Hemmings (who also owns PNE) a "peppercorn rent. |
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Post by Woodenose on Jun 19, 2015 13:38:46 GMT
You could message the Directors (all of them) directly, then you could then let us all know the outcome.It would be nice to know the currant situation. YOU could message the Directors, why does it always have to be done by "somebody else" ?? Sorry Brooksider but if YOU want the answers then You must ask the questions, I have no issues with the board at this present time, if I did then I would. Will be getting my season ticket at the reduced rate soon |
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Post by Woodenose on Jun 19, 2015 13:47:56 GMT
I note that Hereford FC have sold 800 season tickets: 120 sounds really poor to me. Just out of interest I note the adult price of a season ticket is £210 until 30th, then it goes up (15%) to £241.50 (?) from July 1st. And pay on the day is £13. My local side - Chorley FC - have season tickets on sale for £180 - then they go up to £190 from July 1st. And pay on the day is still £10 - (yes just ten quid). Are Citys prices on the high side - or average for this league? I also understand that City have to pay Kiddy over a grand a game to rent their ground, where as Chorley only have to pay that nice Trevor Hemmings (who also owns PNE) a "peppercorn rent. I think we have one of the highest priced season tickets and ground admission prices in this league. It always has been, even when the club owned their ground. It could be a project for someone to find out the prices of clubs in our division |
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Post by thesecondjack on Jun 19, 2015 20:02:40 GMT
I think we have one of the highest priced season tickets and ground admission prices in this league. It always has been, even when the club owned their ground. It could be a project for someone to find out the prices of clubs in our division I'll take a look at other ticket prices in our league for comparison and post when done - might be useful for the club to look at for considering new ticket prices at the end of next season, to see if we are fair, under or over priced. I think in the past we have been in the top quarter or so for prices, but I think they're catching up with us - I'd expect us to be 8th-10th most expensive. Should be up tonight. |
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