Worcester v Harrogate

[ned]

Might go to this game, what do you reckon the score will be?

[Tim Munslow]

2-1 to City.

[glevumblues]

It's a home game!! 1-1?

[voiceofreason]

Oct 21, 2010 16:09:45 GMT ned said:

Might go to this game, what do you reckon the score will be?

See the relevant Predictions thread for Pendulum's musings. And possibly some from the real world?


We may scrape a win, but don't bank on it, even 10p.
Our home form has been pants for years.....

[pendulum]

Oct 23, 2010 0:46:59 GMT voiceofreason said:

Oct 21, 2010 16:09:45 GMT ned said:

Might go to this game, what do you reckon the score will be?

See the relevant Predictions thread for Pendulum's musings. And possibly some from the real world?


We may scrape a win, but don't bank on it, even 10p.
Our home form has been pants for years.....

Doesnt mean were never going to win at home again

[voiceofreason]

Don't think I actually said that....
But is disappointing to say the least.

[ac]

Oct 21, 2010 18:57:43 GMT Tim Munslow said:

2-1 to City.

Correct so far, Harrogate with the first then Glover with 2 quick goals. Their keeper seems to be a bit dodgy.

[voiceofreason]

Now 2-3 down. FFS.

What's the point of home games, let alone a home ground, if we never win any??

Away or nothing.

[JohnInglisIsGod]

Actually VOR it was an entertaining game, shame only 713 watched it. Not made an easier when you are playing against 13 men! The ref and one of the linesmen didn't have a clue. Harrogate should have been down to 10 men mid way thru the 1st half, to the point that as soon as the ref only gave him a yellow their coach pulled him straight off. deservedly their right back got a red card but it was too late by then.
We had a perfectly good goal ruled out when the keeper dropped the ball, Thorley buried it but the ref said the ball was kicked out of the 'keepers hands. Then Ward makes what I feel was an excellent tackle altho talking to WCFCPreston after the game he thought he may have made contact with the forward./ The ref gave a free kick and should have given Ward a red but only a yellow. It was either a perfect challenge play on or a foul and a straight red as he was last man and about to take a shot when the tackle went in. Both 'keepers were well below the standard of this league and that only goes to show how poor the strikers were as it could easily have been 7 goals a piece.
I am sure CH will have plenty to say about the performance of the officials, we were very unlucky but some poor defending from the central two allowed them back into the game. Now we know Shab is likely to be out until April we need to invest in a left back and get Ryan Clarke playing with Elvins in the middle until Clyde can play again.
If Price isn't thought to be good enough then why hasn't he been released to allow funds to be made available for a replacement left back?

[pendulum]

Oct 23, 2010 18:17:55 GMT JohnInglisIsGod said:

Actually VOR it was an entertaining game, shame only 713 watched it. Not made an easier when you are playing against 13 men! The ref and one of the linesmen didn't have a clue. Harrogate should have been down to 10 men mid way thru the 1st half, to the point that as soon as the ref only gave him a yellow their coach pulled him straight off. deservedly their right back got a red card but it was too late by then.
We had a perfectly good goal ruled out when the keeper dropped the ball, Thorley buried it but the ref said the ball was kicked out of the 'keepers hands. Then Ward makes what I feel was an excellent tackle altho talking to WCFCPreston after the game he thought he may have made contact with the forward./ The ref gave a free kick and should have given Ward a red but only a yellow. It was either a perfect challenge play on or a foul and a straight red as he was last man and about to take a shot when the tackle went in. Both 'keepers were well below the standard of this league and that only goes to show how poor the strikers were as it could easily have been 7 goals a piece.
I am sure CH will have plenty to say about the performance of the officials, we were very unlucky but some poor defending from the central two allowed them back into the game. Now we know Shab is likely to be out until April we need to invest in a left back and get Ryan Clarke playing with Elvins in the middle until Clyde can play again.
If Price isn't thought to be good enough then why hasn't he been released to allow funds to be made available for a replacement left back?

shaba out till april? where you hear that

[voiceofreason]

Aye JIIG but that's what I or we read after every game.

The officials are usually incompetent towards each side.

We've barely kept a clean sheet or won at home all season. That says enough in my book.

[pendulum]

We played very good to be honest we could of been 3/4/5 up , a few poor decisions by the ref and we could of had a penalty? anybody else reckon? the goals from glover gave him the confidence boost he needed! both goalkeepers looked dodgy , but again second half we never play as good as the first half , both goals were poor defending by the defenders, wardy should of been sent off , thier player was through on goal and to me looked a good challenge but the ref blew and only gave a yellow ( when surely it should of been red by the laws of game )

[Deleted]

I got a feeling that the goal was disallowed for offside, the keeper dropped it, Danks ( I think) pushed it past him and Thorley who was stood right next to Danks but in front of him took over the ball. As there were no other Harrogate players in the picture, if Thorley was indeed in front of Danks, he would have been in an offside position and very active! I'm sure I saw the linos flag go straight up, then out on the arm.
The other lino might have been flag happy, but he was right too, Danks kept on straying over the line, and with a clear line right across the pitch to the lino, he should have kept the full back to the left of the lino as he looked at him. Just too eager too often, which is a shame as he had the legs on him anyway.
I think we should have had a penalty, it would have been given as a foul if it had taken place anywhere else on the pitch. And Wards challenge was a well timed tackle, but, if it was deemed a foul, and a cautionable foul, then surely it was on the last man, so yes, he should have seen red for that one.
All told , a game which should have finished 5-5 , with very little defensice qualities on show from either side, with every goal being down to defensive errors.
I agree with VOR (Yes, I do!!) The officials, when making mistakes, did so equally against both sides, they werent bad at all, just made a few errors, but nowhere near as many errors as the defenders, that where the faults lie!!

[glevumblues]

There were a few strange decisions from the officials but unfortunately, these masked the fact that we really didn't play very well for much of the match. The Harrogate 'keeper was worse than ours, but we failed to take advantage on too many occasions. Our forwards seemed strangely reluctant to put pressure on their defence, preferring to stand off and wait for the ball to come to them.

One final point. There were a few fouls during the game, but the abuse given to the Harrogate players as they came off the pitch was totally uncalled for.

[pendulum]

Oct 23, 2010 22:17:25 GMT glevumblues said:

There were a few strange decisions from the officials but unfortunately, these masked the fact that we really didn't play very well for much of the match. The Harrogate 'keeper was worse than ours, but we failed to take advantage on too many occasions. Our forwards seemed strangely reluctant to put pressure on their defence, preferring to stand off and wait for the ball to come to them.

One final point. There were a few fouls during the game, but the abuse given to the Harrogate players as they came off the pitch was totally uncalled for.

i disagree i didnt stay for the end , as i went on full time but theyre man enough to ignore it and i dont think they will care as they got 3 points right at the end :-)

[glevumblues]

Sorry, Pendulum, I don't dispute that the Harrogate players won't care. I just find it unfortunate that a section of our supporters apparently can't accept that we lose games through our own inadequacies and find it necessary to hurl abuse at officials, the opposition etc. as a result.

[pendulum]

We all take a defeat differently , like mine was just to walk out and not talk, some doo what you said above in the heat of moment

[pendulum]

i know where your coming from though

[voiceofreason]

Oct 23, 2010 19:18:06 GMT Down The Pan said:

I agree with VOR (Yes, I do!!) The officials, when making mistakes, did so equally against both sides, they werent bad at all, just made a few errors, but nowhere near as many errors as the defenders, that where the faults lie!!

Didn't realise you had returned to games at SGL, but credit, er, acknowledged.

[pendulum]

also glevumblues its the same every week, it shows theyre passionate?

[JohnInglisIsGod]

Passions do run over but also think that some of the comments and actions are way over the top
Our defending was dreadful, abuse to Harrogate was not required. They played within the ref's tolerance levels.
However, The one incident of spitting at the oppositions trainer and officials I saw was WAY over the top - Think he was lucky not to get seen by someone more official!

[birdfeeder]

Oct 24, 2010 8:56:27 GMT JohnInglisIsGod said:

Passions do run over but also think that some of the comments and actions are way over the top
Our defending was dreadful, abuse to Harrogate was not required. They played within the ref's tolerance levels.
However, The one incident of spitting at the oppositions trainer and officials I saw was WAY over the top - Think he was lucky not to get seen by someone more official!

Do you know the person responsible for the spitting because we don't want that sort of behavior at SGL.

[oxford]

I admit to being involved in some of the shouting yesterday.It isn't something that I am proud of and it is generally out of character for me(I hope people would agree!)so I can understand why others reacted as they did-It is a culmination of throwing game after game away,for whatever reason, that drove usually rational people into behaving unacceptably.I apologise unreservedly if anything I said/did upset anyone.However-There is absolutely no excuse for spitting at anyone at any time regardless of circumstances & I would advocate a final warning at the very least to whoever it was if not an outright ban straight away!

[JohnInglisIsGod]

Sorry don't know names but I am sure I have seen the face before at the ground

[Deleted]

Oct 23, 2010 23:55:07 GMT voiceofreason said:

Oct 23, 2010 19:18:06 GMT Down The Pan said:

I agree with VOR (Yes, I do!!) The officials, when making mistakes, did so equally against both sides, they werent bad at all, just made a few errors, but nowhere near as many errors as the defenders, that where the faults lie!!

Didn't realise you had returned to games at SGL, but credit, er, acknowledged.

I popped down yesterday to see what things are like now that most of the shitty ditritus has left the place.
I get fed up with all this "it was the officials they were useless" stuff, and yesterday they werent bad at all. Its not the Lino's fault if Danksy breaks the line too early, there are ways for Danksy to make it a lot easier on himself. It looked like a penalty from behind the goal second half, but maybe not from where the ref was stood, i.e. behind the tussling players and with other players in between. It could have been given but it wasn't. Their full back was unlucky in that he got booked for an inoccuous incident in the first half, and then walked with a tackle that deserved a booking at the end of the game, but didnt commit any other fouls in the whole game. Their centre halfs managed to get away with a caution a piece and plenty of other dodgy tackles, but thats part of the job of a centre half, you walk the line sometimes.
What surprised me is that, you learn to play the refs, you know how they ref a game. We did it in junior football all the time. For instance take Croc! He will red card a dangerous tackle from behind every time, so you don't do it! He'll try and play an advantage as much as possible, so if you get fouled moving forward, you keep playing. He''ll book you for back-chat, so keep it buttoned up. Steve Knight, you know he'll talk to players throughout the game, he'll let you know if you're playing on the edge, and a penalty has to be a nailed on pen to be given. Kev Ruff, always favours the central defender over the striker in an aerial challenge, so play the ball into strikers feet. Three very good refs in my opinion, but all ref a game slightly differently, and so long as you know how they operate, you play within what they allow.
Sometimes players just need to be a bit smarter!
Oh and I've heard a few different views on Wardy's challenge that led to the freekick equaliser. But that wasnt the reason for the goal, that was due to the wall parting so generously like the Red Sea. I said to Rich Widd "Look at the hole in the wall!" and bugger me the ball went straight through it, with the help of a bit of a deflection on the way! Defensive error, not reffing error!

[Deleted]

Oct 24, 2010 11:01:23 GMT oxford said:

I admit to being involved in some of the shouting yesterday.It isn't something that I am proud of and it is generally out of character for me(I hope people would agree!)so I can understand why others reacted as they did-It is a culmination of throwing game after game away,for whatever reason, that drove usually rational people into behaving unacceptably.I apologise unreservedly if anything I said/did upset anyone.However-There is absolutely no excuse for spitting at anyone at any time regardless of circumstances & I would advocate a final warning at the very least to whoever it was if not an outright ban straight away!

If your team throws away game after game, how can that be the fault of the opposition?

[oxford]

Agreed.No justification for blaming them-Hence my embarassment for doing so

[voiceofunreason]

Oct 23, 2010 22:17:25 GMT glevumblues said:

One final point. There were a few fouls during the game, but the abuse given to the Harrogate players as they came off the pitch was totally uncalled for

I felt sorry for them, so made sure to give the number 7 a discreet round of applause

[Tony is not to despondent now.]

It loooked to me as the City players thought that they had won the game before they had even got on the pitch.

[JohnInglisIsGod]

Photographs for the City Vs Harrogate Town game
www.flickr.com/photos/nic_lee_sport/sets/72157625155167659/