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Post by Tony is not to despondent now. on Sept 19, 2010 8:26:13 GMT
The City's luck seems to out at present.
Is it because the Union Flag over the dressing room gate is upside down?
Come on Colin, I thought that you would know better than that!!!
And it is nailed on to its flag post.
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Post by birdfeeder on Sept 19, 2010 8:38:09 GMT
The City's luck seems to out at present. Is it because the Union Flag over the dressing room gate is upside down? Come on Colin, I thought that you would know better than that!!! And it is nailed on to its flag post. Her in doors told the person who put it up over a month ago that it was upside down which did not go down well, and its screwed on not nailed.
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Post by Tony is not to despondent now. on Sept 19, 2010 15:49:51 GMT
The City's luck seems to out at present. Is it because the Union Flag over the dressing room gate is upside down? Come on Colin, I thought that you would know better than that!!! And it is nailed on to its flag post. Her in doors told the person who put it up over a month ago that it was upside down which did not go down well, and its screwed on not nailed. Nailed or screwed, it is still upside down!!!
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Post by birdfeeder on Sept 19, 2010 16:18:20 GMT
Her in doors told the person who put it up over a month ago that it was upside down which did not go down well, and its screwed on not nailed. Nailed or screwed, it is still upside down!!! I think we agree on that.
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Post by voiceofreason on Sept 20, 2010 11:31:06 GMT
Take it down, it's an offensive flag anyway......
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2010 14:42:40 GMT
to whom?
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Post by birdfeeder on Sept 20, 2010 15:57:32 GMT
Take it down, it's an offensive flag anyway...... Please explain to who it offends.
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Post by pendulum on Sept 20, 2010 16:44:57 GMT
its just a flag
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2010 17:15:20 GMT
I'm waiting for the VOR history lesson! I feel the anglo-Irish Treaty 1921 might be getting an airing!
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Post by Tony is not to despondent now. on Sept 20, 2010 17:40:30 GMT
Take it down, it's an offensive flag anyway...... Oh Dear!!!!!! Who threw the baby's bottle out of the window then?
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Post by voiceofreason on Sept 22, 2010 23:39:28 GMT
Nothing to do with bottles or The Anglo-Irish Treaty, just to do with its use during the days of The British Empire and even closer to home, within the British Isles, where it's less than universally popular! If you don't know your history by now, you should do!
And given the name of WCFC's ground, am surprised it isn't the flag of your patron saint (& Turkey, Georgia et al)....which is the flag of the country their ruling FA belongs to.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2010 7:57:23 GMT
So really its offensive to no-one! where within the British Isles is it less than universally popular? And anyway, its not the flag of the British Isles!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2010 10:14:59 GMT
Flying the flag upside down is a sign that the vessel and its occupants are in deep distress. So why alter it?
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Post by voiceofreason on Sept 24, 2010 0:48:37 GMT
So really its offensive to no-one! where within the British Isles is it less than universally popular? And anyway, its not the flag of the British Isles! Er, you need to re-read what I wrote. And more importantly, how the former British empire is viewed by some of its former, er, 'members'. Or their citizens. Including various parts of the British Isles of whom I never even implied it was their collective emblem. Only that it wasn't universally liked.... Though otherwise, Ealing has it spot on.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2010 9:47:52 GMT
I still cant think of who it has offended, even within the former empire, many of whom still incorporate the union flag asa canton in their own independent flag. Why would parts of the British Isles, where the flag isnt their emblem, be offended? You'll havew to be clearer and name names here.
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Post by voiceofreason on Sept 25, 2010 22:53:23 GMT
Jem You give the impression of being intelligent? Not going to do your research for you, but believe me there's plenty who do.
If you like will explain it in person, later in the season....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2010 12:54:00 GMT
Explain it now! There's no point in waiting. I can't find any real offence caused by the union flag, anywhere from Australia to Zimbabwe - apart from a view Welshies who wanted to change it because in their view they felt Wales wasnt represented, which is of course incorrect!
Go on name names!
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Post by voiceofreason on Sept 27, 2010 15:51:38 GMT
No, because you're being lazy.
You want to know, look it up online!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2010 21:09:41 GMT
I've looked online , and as I said before, I cant see any evidence of a nation being offended by the Union flag. You seem to think differently, and you call the flag offensive yourself, but you are too lazy to explain what you mean!
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Post by pendulum on Sept 27, 2010 21:39:15 GMT
its because foriegners find it offensive us waving a union flag around. there and i know this because of mates
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Post by pendulum on Sept 27, 2010 21:42:45 GMT
basickly it was some it with the police having union flag as badges which offended people bla bla bla. cant be assed to fill in the gaps
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2010 23:02:43 GMT
no they dont, foreigners dont find the Union flag offensive, anymoreso than we find the French Flag, or the German flag offensive. And the police thing was where a flag was removed from a uniform, not because it offended anyone, but because some higher officials thought that it MIGHT offend someone. So still no evidence of either the Union Flag being offensive to anyone, or indeed the fact that WCFC fly the union flag should be offensive!
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Post by pendulum on Sept 27, 2010 23:17:11 GMT
It's the Union Jack which is the more politically controversial flag in the UK, actually, and that is because of it's associations with the old National Front - far- right 'white-power' nationalist organisations who used to cause a stir because of the influx of immigrants into the UK during the 1970s and '80s and the perceived loss of the British identity. The BNP now holds such associations with the flag because they have come to represent such fringe groups (albeit with a more mainstream slant, in an attempt to re- brand the party).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2010 9:15:12 GMT
but thats politically controversial, not offensive, and not that politically controversial either, as the British flag is also associated with far left groups, and all groups between. If the National Front, or the BNP, have association with, or use the British flag, then that doesnt make the Union Flag itself offensive. Thats what we're talking about here, VOR said to take the flag down "because IT is offensive" but offensive to whom, he won't let on.
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Post by pedant on Sept 28, 2010 11:27:06 GMT
Jem, you and I both know that the voiceoftreason is not answering because he knows he is talking a load of old pony!
He can't give an example because there is none. He has yet again shown himself to be a loudmouthed ignoramous.
"Carpet sh*ggers this" and "carpet sh*ggers that" he bores me to be honest...
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Post by pendulum on Sept 28, 2010 11:35:23 GMT
should'nt this thread be in off the pitch section?
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Post by pedant on Sept 28, 2010 11:50:12 GMT
Nice pedantry pendulum.
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Post by niels on Sept 28, 2010 12:09:58 GMT
As we all know VOR is not white and therefore I would imagine, as Pendulum aluded to above, that he is talking about the Union Jack being used by racists in the seventies and eighties (and probably to this day although I'm not sure about that). Chants such as "There ain't no black in the Union Jack" were always heard on National Front marches, as well as being used in factories etc. I would imagine that is why VOR finds it offensive (as well as possibly the colonial angle). However the union jack, as well as the St George's cross, seems to have been taken back by the majority and is now once again seen as something to belong to.
There was a great picture of "Bend it like Beckham" director Gurinder Chadha in the Observer this weekend. It showed her in 1989 wearing a bhangra tunic, black leather jacket, Union Jack socks and Doc Martens. She had just made her first film "I'm British but..." and it was her way of saying we may be of Asian origin but we're British, get used to it.
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Post by pedant on Sept 28, 2010 13:15:22 GMT
Despite your presumption niels, I have no knowledge of the colour of voiceoftreason's skin. However if you are correct in your assumption that he is referring to the "adoption" of the union flag by racist groups in the 70's and 80's then his statement is still wrong.
The use to which some amongst the racist minority put it in years gone by is offensive to people who like their national flag as much as anyone else.
Racism is definitely offensive but the flag? The flag itself is not offensive at all.
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Post by birdfeeder on Sept 28, 2010 15:32:02 GMT
As we all know VOR is not white and therefore I would imagine, as Pendulum alluded to above, that he is talking about the Union Jack being used by racists in the seventies and eighties (and probably to this day although I'm not sure about that). Chants such as "There ain't no black in the Union Jack" were always heard on National Front marches, as well as being used in factories etc. I would imagine that is why VOR finds it offensive (as well as possibly the colonial angle). However the union jack, as well as the St George's cross, seems to have been taken back by the majority and is now once again seen as something to belong to. There was a great picture of "Bend it like Beckham" director Gurinder Chadha in the Observer this weekend. It showed her in 1989 wearing a bhangra tunic, black leather jacket, Union Jack socks and Doc Martens. She had just made her first film "I'm British but..." and it was her way of saying we may be of Asian origin but we're British, get used to it. I will forgive you because your not from around here but the union jack is flown on ships and the union flag is what you see flying upside down on the flagpole at SGL and outside my house on special days(but up the right way) but at the moment its the flag of St George, I also fly the Welsh, Scottish and Irish flags on there saints day.
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