Corby Town away in FA Cup

[andy]

Full draw here

www.thefa.com/TheFACup/Fixtures

[The Verner]

Not a happy bunny, weve got to do it all over again

[Deleted]

bummer

[The Verner]

Looking at results theyve lost to Eastwood and Hyde so not all doom and gloom

[andy]

Was just going to post similar. Their recent results are available here

www.stalybridgeceltic.co.uk/stats.php?team=CORBY&mode=fix

Asa Charlton in their squad. According to their website, they also signed Neil Cartwright from Hinckley!

Average home gate in league games is around 450. Won 1-0 at Bedworth in the Cup on Saturday.

[The Verner]

Dont forget they have Adam Webster aswell

[Tim Munslow]

After Saturday why should we be afraid?

[voiceofreason]

Sept 27, 2010 11:05:00 GMT The Verner said:

Dont forget they have Adam Webster aswell

Sh*t, because that flakey **** is bound to score.
Still an incentive to beat them.

And at least away, we have an excuse....
But a little more optimistic after Saturday. Maybe we can do this, with a replay?
What date is the game?

[andy]

The game in on 9th October.

There is a knock-on effect from this particular draw. Irrespective of the result, we will not be playing Corby at home in the league on Saturday, 23rd October. That is the scheduled date for the 4th Qualifying Round, so the winners will be on Cup duty that day, and the losers will have a blank day.

If we win, and then get drawn at home, that would make up for the 'lost' home game. If we lose, dont get a replay, or win and then get drawn away, there would not be a home game at SGL until the visit of VM on Saturday, 6th November (7 weeks after the Workington game).

(Unless something gets rearranged at short notice).

[michael]

But in terms of revenue the FA cup gates are split 50-50 anyway. so i dont know all the ins and outs but would we not actually profit more from an away game as there would be less spent on staff wages on the day? though if Corbys home crowd is only 450 on average, thats not great news.

[Deleted]

Its the FA Cup, forget league form, forget form guides of any kind.

[JohnInglisIsGod]

The fact that we are playing away again might benefit us on the pitch. The fact that we play Corby in the cup does mean we share the attendance money so we are not totally out of pocket, in effect it is a home game with a small crowd. If we had got them at home with our normal 700 we would not have taken a great deal more than we will sharing from their 500. We would have to pay their coach etc to travel to us. I think playing them away we have a good chance of beating them.

[JohnInglisIsGod]

Having said that - the general opinion was not much of a chance in the last round and we got it wrong so let's not raise any expectations, say we have no chance and you never know what might happen

[andy]

Sept 27, 2010 12:49:17 GMT michael said:

But in terms of revenue the FA cup gates are split 50-50 anyway. so i dont know all the ins and outs but would we not actually profit more from an away game as there would be less spent on staff wages on the day? though if Corbys home crowd is only 450 on average, thats not great news.

In these earlier rounds of the FA Cup, it is the net gate receipts that are split 50:50. So, from the gross receipts, away team travel (and overnight stay if > 4.5 hours one way), match official fees and travel costs, floodlights (up to 250 max), and match day staff at the hosts (turnstiles etc) are all deducted first. The amount left is the net gate receipts, which are split.

So, in pure cash terms, a home gate of 700 would yield the same return to the Club as an away gate of 700 (provided entrance fee is the same, same number of paying adults to concessions, same match day costs etc).

Bigger crowds are incrementally more helpful, as it probably takes a baseline 200 through the gate to cover costs. Anything below break even income, and the costs (rather than the profit) are shared 50:50.

In later rounds, a further 10% of net receipts is deducted to go into the FA 'Pool' - possibly from 3rd round proper onwards. Not 100% sure at which round this kicks in though.

[pendulum]

bring them on!

[gobby cow]

I agree with Pendulum

Corby Town had better be quaking in their boots

[JohnInglisIsGod]

Sept 27, 2010 14:11:06 GMT andy said:

Sept 27, 2010 12:49:17 GMT michael said:

But in terms of revenue the FA cup gates are split 50-50 anyway. so i dont know all the ins and outs but would we not actually profit more from an away game as there would be less spent on staff wages on the day? though if Corbys home crowd is only 450 on average, thats not great news.

In these earlier rounds of the FA Cup, it is the net gate receipts that are split 50:50. So, from the gross receipts, away team travel (and overnight stay if > 4.5 hours one way), match official fees and travel costs, floodlights (up to 250 max), and match day staff at the hosts (turnstiles etc) are all deducted first. The amount left is the net gate receipts, which are split.

So, in pure cash terms, a home gate of 700 would yield the same return to the Club as an away gate of 700 (provided entrance fee is the same, same number of paying adults to concessions, same match day costs etc).

Bigger crowds are incrementally more helpful, as it probably takes a baseline 200 through the gate to cover costs. Anything below break even income, and the costs (rather than the profit) are shared 50:50.

In later rounds, a further 10% of net receipts is deducted to go into the FA 'Pool' - possibly from 3rd round proper onwards. Not 100% sure at which round this kicks in though.

Great explanation Andy - thanks!! Wasn't sure of the detail.
Do you know what the prize money is that we are planning for in this round?

[pendulum]

Sept 27, 2010 15:24:55 GMT JohnInglisIsGod said:

Sept 27, 2010 14:11:06 GMT andy said:

In these earlier rounds of the FA Cup, it is the net gate receipts that are split 50:50. So, from the gross receipts, away team travel (and overnight stay if > 4.5 hours one way), match official fees and travel costs, floodlights (up to 250 max), and match day staff at the hosts (turnstiles etc) are all deducted first. The amount left is the net gate receipts, which are split.

So, in pure cash terms, a home gate of 700 would yield the same return to the Club as an away gate of 700 (provided entrance fee is the same, same number of paying adults to concessions, same match day costs etc).

Bigger crowds are incrementally more helpful, as it probably takes a baseline 200 through the gate to cover costs. Anything below break even income, and the costs (rather than the profit) are shared 50:50.

In later rounds, a further 10% of net receipts is deducted to go into the FA 'Pool' - possibly from 3rd round proper onwards. Not 100% sure at which round this kicks in though.

Great explanation Andy - thanks!! Wasn't sure of the detail.
Do you know what the prize money is that we are planning for in this round?

FA Cup - Payments to Clubs
The FA Cup sponsored by E.O.N
Season 2010-11
Extra Preliminary Round winners (201) £750
Preliminary Round winners (166) £1,500
First Round Qualifying winners (116) £3,000
Second Round Qualifying winners (80) £4,500
Third Round Qualifying winners (40) £7,500
Fourth Round Qualifying winners (32) £12,500
First Round Proper winners (40) £18,000
Second Round Proper winners (20) £27,000
Third Round Proper winners (32) £67,500
Fourth Round Proper winners (16) £90,000
Fifth Round Proper winners (8) £180,000
Sixth Round Proper winners (4) £360,000
Semi Final winners (2) £900,000
Semi Final runners-up (2) £450,000
Final winners (1) £1,800,000
Final runners-up (1) £900,000

[JohnInglisIsGod]

Thanks Pendulum!
You can see why we need a cup run clearly now
3rd round proper would do us just nice

[Deleted]

Sept 27, 2010 15:24:55 GMT JohnInglisIsGod said:

Sept 27, 2010 14:11:06 GMT andy said:

In these earlier rounds of the FA Cup, it is the net gate receipts that are split 50:50. So, from the gross receipts, away team travel (and overnight stay if > 4.5 hours one way), match official fees and travel costs, floodlights (up to 250 max), and match day staff at the hosts (turnstiles etc) are all deducted first. The amount left is the net gate receipts, which are split.

So, in pure cash terms, a home gate of 700 would yield the same return to the Club as an away gate of 700 (provided entrance fee is the same, same number of paying adults to concessions, same match day costs etc).

Bigger crowds are incrementally more helpful, as it probably takes a baseline 200 through the gate to cover costs. Anything below break even income, and the costs (rather than the profit) are shared 50:50.

In later rounds, a further 10% of net receipts is deducted to go into the FA 'Pool' - possibly from 3rd round proper onwards. Not 100% sure at which round this kicks in though.

Great explanation Andy - thanks!! Wasn't sure of the detail.
Do you know what the prize money is that we are planning for in this round?

Silly Question andy even knows the numbers on the bank notes

[Deleted]

Sept 27, 2010 16:28:38 GMT JohnInglisIsGod said:

Thanks Pendulum!
You can see why we need a cup run clearly now
3rd round proper would do us just nice

It could have been 50% of the net receipts from a game at Stamford Bridge!!!

andy, do the sums! base it on a 75% capacity for Stamford Bridge

[andy]

Jem, dont know much about Premier league, so have no idea of capacity at SB. But it would have been 45%, I think, not 50%. For what City might have got out of it, didnt both Burton and Exeter make about a million out of third round ties against Man Utd? Probably of that order, I suspect.

Watched the video of the Huddersfield game recently - Smudgers gilt edged chance early on, Leon denied by that great defender's block after he'd got it past the 'keeper, another chance down the left channel (Leon) with the rebound falling to Tom Warmer, and I'm still not convinced it wasnt a penalty when Des got into the box with about five minutes to go ('keeper was climbing all over him). That one clinical finish from Brandon did for us, didnt it.

[Deleted]

andy, you even see a different game to me on video tape!!!

[andy]

Jem. Sorry, dont know how you see the game.

There is a lot of independent comment on it, of course. The Independent reported we were the better side and profligate in front of goal, the Guardian reckoned had a bit more luck been on our side ... but that Huddersfield had edged it, the BBC analysts on the day thought City perhaps werent seizing the 2nd half opportunity, Preecey reckoned the side had come up a little short.

Wouldnt disagree myself with much of that.

How do you see it?

[Deleted]

Apart from that Chris Smith early chance, we created very little in the game. Preece was right, they came up short. Penalty? no chance, thats clutching at straws!

[pendulum]

the only chance we properly created was the chris smith chance, to be honest i thought it was a poor game. but will never forget the day

[cogg]

Sadly I was stood behind the dug outs and could only see Fran's Silver FA cup all game, but watched it the next day and thought we were awful. NO energy, no committment and no idea. We bottled it and Huddersfield only had to turn up really. Extremely disappointing, especially considering the potential...

I expect Boddy had a pre-match chat with the players and ensured them they would be playing infront of 10,000 crowds the next season each week so not to worry about losing the game and missing out on a 'big' match ;-)

[Deleted]

The disappointment was that we didn't go for it. We had nothing to lose - better to attack and lose 0-5 than the way we just meekly died. Hearing we could have had Chelsea as we left the ground was my lowest sporting moment.

[pendulum]

anyway we got corby next and the boys can win this and progress, in the last few seasons teams like histon, havant, nuneaton, burton, exeter, chasetown ( ones i can think of on top of my head ) hopefull worcester can be added to that list!

[Deleted]

Sept 28, 2010 11:18:45 GMT @ealing said:

The disappointment was that we didn't go for it. We had nothing to lose - better to attack and lose 0-5 than the way we just meekly died. Hearing we could have had Chelsea as we left the ground was my lowest sporting moment.

I was in Tampa on business when we beat Chippenham in the replay to set up the Huddersfield game, and that evening I was drinking in the bar with some Yanks, and we were talking about how the FA Cup is so special, so unique in the way that any team can play any other team, and that apart from coming in at a later round there is no seeding or protection of the better teams. One of the guys was a Chelsea supporter, and during the conversation he said "So Worcester City could really draw Chelsea in the next round???" I don't think he believed such a thing could be possible as his local hockeybasebasketball team/franchise whatever was so low down the league they could never draw the Tampa Bay Tosspots in anything! - and look what happened!! I agree Ealing, the lack of effort made it such a disappointment. I want to borrow andy's tape, it sounds a lot better than mine, but do I need a rose-tinted TV to watch it on?