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Post by city4evaa on Mar 3, 2010 14:01:00 GMT
i hope he comes back and straight back into the team! he is a big fans fave here
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2010 14:22:53 GMT
I think thats very unlikely, his days as a City player look over now.
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Post by JohnInglisIsGod on Mar 3, 2010 16:08:41 GMT
Carl just doesn't seem to rate him for some reason. I am one of those who thinks he is worth a place, I would play him up front ahead of Wilding (even though he scored) and Elvins.
I also think it is more about his pay packet too. He would rather make do up front and lose his wage and put it against buying a defender which we don't have enough cover for. He also doesn't believe that we can make do at the back either (rightly so)
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Post by jlcga on Mar 3, 2010 19:54:38 GMT
What we really need is to get a good midfielder who is comfortable in possesion, and can play channel balls and take advantage of players such as Marco's attributes,he needs the ball at his feet,he stands no chance against 6foot defenders with the ball in the air.
Alfie Carter will never be a striker as long as he has got a hole in his a**e.
Shame,as i believe we've just let our best player go without a valid reason "CH doesnt rate" is laughable,how can you not rate the leading goal scorer of 1 and a half seasons?!
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Post by harley on Mar 3, 2010 20:20:22 GMT
What we really need is to get a good midfielder who is comfortable in possesion, and can play channel balls and take advantage of players such as Marco's attributes,he needs the ball at his feet,he stands no chance against 6foot defenders with the ball in the air. Alfie Carter will never be a striker as long as he has got a hole in his a**e. Shame,as i believe we've just let our best player go without a valid reason "CH doesnt rate" is laughable,how can you not rate the leading goal scorer of 1 and a half seasons?! Because he runs around like a headless chicken, usually getting caught offside. |
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Post by enjay on Mar 4, 2010 11:55:39 GMT
As far as I can see Marco's departure says more about the managements lack of ability to motivate and develop his undoubted ability than it says about the player himself. He brings a dimension to the team which can turn games around. I'm astounded that anyone out there believes that the team can do without that. Maybe CH doesn't believe he's up for the dog fight that will end this season, but I think you have to look beyond that. With the kind of first touch Rob Elvins displays the two of them should be scoring much
more than they are.
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 4, 2010 14:55:38 GMT
Enjay is spot on.
Certain people are talking nonsense here.
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Post by city4evaa on Mar 4, 2010 17:38:01 GMT
Alfie Carter will never be a striker as long as he has got a hole in his a**e. im sorry but i disagreeeee! his show against grays was awesome! and when he has played up front he has done a good job! |
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Post by city4evaa on Mar 4, 2010 17:41:47 GMT
marco is my fave player at the moment
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2010 17:53:57 GMT
As far as I can see Marco's departure says more about the managements lack of ability to motivate and develop his undoubted ability than it says about the player himself. He brings a dimension to the team which can turn games around. I'm astounded that anyone out there believes that the team can do without that. Maybe CH doesn't believe he's up for the dog fight that will end this season, but I think you have to look beyond that. With the kind of first touch Rob Elvins displays the two of them should be scoring much more than they are. In that case they won't be the first management team to fail to motivate Marco and develop his abilities. I don't think anyone at the club can look beyond the end of the season, so Carl has to set his stall out to maximise points over 10 games - and all supporters can do is back his judgements. |
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Post by worcester1066 on Mar 4, 2010 19:14:26 GMT
didn't hear of a ton of clubs begging for his services (not even on loan) so I guess its not just CH who doesn't rate him.
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Post by enjay on Mar 4, 2010 23:56:56 GMT
jcp: Top scorer last season, top scorer this season, he's won 4 out of the last 9 player of the month awards, I don't get your point. Which other management team failed to motivate Marco? You rightly identify Carl's immediate goal and I agree that's where his focus should be right now, but I can't agree that we shouldn't be thinking about next season. As a supporter I will always back the team but I certainly don't have to back Carls judgement, that's why forums like this exist.
worcester1066: I'm not surprised a ton of clubs aren't begging for his service it's obvious he's low on confidence, not what you would want to introduce into your club at this stage in the season, he's certainly not low on talent.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2010 0:26:13 GMT
jcp: Top scorer last season, top scorer this season, he's won 4 out of the last 9 player of the month awards, I don't get your point. Which other management team failed to motivate Marco? You rightly identify Carl's immediate goal and I agree that's where his focus should be right now, but I can't agree that we shouldn't be thinking about next season. As a supporter I will always back the team but I certainly don't have to back Carls judgement, that's why forums like this exist. worcester1066: I'm not surprised a ton of clubs aren't begging for his service it's obvious he's low on confidence, not what you would want to introduce into your club at this stage in the season, he's certainly not low on talent. Shrewsbury, Bangor, Stafford. Being awarded player of the month award by the fans doesnt mean you have a place in the team. And being top scorer in a side fighting relegation is no real boast, you'd hope a forward who's been there all season would be your top goalscorer. And anyway, if he's paying so well, and scoring so many goals, it doesnt sound like he's not being motivated. At the present time, there is no next season |
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Post by enjay on Mar 5, 2010 0:55:32 GMT
jcp: I'm guessing that fan's votes are based on the players perceived contribution to the team, there's no agenda, and the fans are the ones who are paying cash to be there, they're voting for what they are prepared to pay for more of, he's clearly doing something right. 'Top scorer in a side fighting relegation' point taken, but by the sam measure why would you get rid of your top scorer when you're fighting relegation. I never said that I thought he was playing well right now, I think he's playing light he's lost his mojo but I do think he's a class player.
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Post by JohnInglisIsGod on Mar 5, 2010 8:46:45 GMT
He is top scorer in a side that is lacking goals. To win games we need to score goals. If we were able to go into the transfer market I am sure we would be looking at top scorers in other clubs to score goals here. We have supposed strikers who have not scored goals this year. They haven't been put on transfer lists. Why? Because they are not being half the wage Marco is. Marco has only been shipped out due to his earnings. I am sure the deal struck for him included them paying his wage in full. When we start getting crowds of 800 each week he will have a place back in the side....... maybe?
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Post by city4evaa on Mar 5, 2010 8:55:49 GMT
hmmmm i think there is facebook group calling for marco to stay at the club.
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Post by Tony is not to despondent now. on Mar 5, 2010 9:33:04 GMT
Unfortunately Adaggio has shown no real committment when he has played lately. Also I hear that he didn't turn up for training one night.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2010 9:57:21 GMT
Yes but supporters know nothing about managing a football team, putting together a decent working unit to fight a relegation battle, or individual players issues or concerns. What do supporters know about Marco Adaggio the person, or Marco Adaggio the employee? Remember he's out of contract at the end of this season, and he signed a one year deal last season at lower terms. Maybe he's not happy at WCFC? Maybe the management are not happy with his level of commitment? Carl knows, and he's the one with the remit to keep WCFC up this season , anfd that is all his remit is!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2010 11:24:43 GMT
Don't get me wrong, Marco is a nice guy, and personally I'd want him in my team but alongside a big strong back to goal type forward.
Whether he's good enough to stay and be in the starting line up every week isnt really relevent though, being good enough isnt all that matters.
Oh and Emjay, sometimes there is an agenda on the Player of the Month, Pat Lyons won it once!! and so few people vote for player of the month that you can have 5 or 6 way tie, all with 2 votes!!
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 5, 2010 11:58:16 GMT
Still agree with Emjay re.his abilities.
But acknowledge Jem's point re. Wages and contractual niceties which has created part of this uncertainty.
And the players he needs to get the best out of him.
Hopefully he can come back.....
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Post by enjay on Mar 5, 2010 12:56:41 GMT
Jcp: Your right in what you say, I only have a fans perspective, and a fans oppinion, but I'm clear on what motivates me to show up on a match day. The club need fans turning up and paying gate money so I don't believe the fact that I don't understand the inner working of the club invalidates my opinion. I do completely agree with your comment the CH's remit only runs to the end of the season and he's possibly responding to that. But there's a lack of vision somewhere from CH up, and as you rightly point out, as fans we can only speculate where that is.
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Post by enjay on Mar 5, 2010 13:05:09 GMT
I know it's probably a rude question but does anyone know the kind of figures we're talking about for players contracts. I only ask because as soon as the news broke about Marco I called the club and asked how much it would cost to sponser a player for the rest of the season, they said £100, I asked if that would get Marco off the transfer list, they didn't seem to want to address that. Maybes I'm shooting in the wind here but I have no idea what match day fees are payed to the players.
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Post by sleepinggiant on Mar 5, 2010 13:44:38 GMT
I believe it was announced earlier on in the season that the weekly playing budget was £3500 a week. Divide that between the 18i-sh squad members and you have about £200 a week on average per player.
Given that Rob Davies plays for nothing and that Adaggio is almost certainly one of the top earners I should imagine Marco is on about £250-£300 a week.
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Post by JohnInglisIsGod on Mar 5, 2010 13:47:17 GMT
Yes SG, That would make sense and would be a good starting point for him I would think.
I doubt you are going to get anything in writing on here from any one official who actually knows enjay.
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Post by enjay on Mar 5, 2010 15:44:08 GMT
He is top scorer in a side that is lacking goals. To win games we need to score goals. If we were able to go into the transfer market I am sure we would be looking at top scorers in other clubs to score goals here. We have supposed strikers who have not scored goals this year. They haven't been put on transfer lists. Why? Because they are not being half the wage Marco is. Marco has only been shipped out due to his earnings. I am sure the deal struck for him included them paying his wage in full. When we start getting crowds of 800 each week he will have a place back in the side....... maybe? |
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Post by enjay on Mar 5, 2010 15:48:46 GMT
It'd be nice to get a big enought crow to make a bit of noise. If the crowd can be like an extra man City have been playing with 9 men all season.
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Post by JohnInglisIsGod on Mar 5, 2010 15:49:30 GMT
Dover's Hessenthaler confirmed Sam Gore has left the club after being told that his contract would not be renewed next season. The defender has been plagued by injury problems and is soon to undergo a double hernia operation. Fits the bill for a city player.... An injury prone defender... Wonder if he will join us soon then??? lol  |
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Post by enjay on Mar 5, 2010 15:57:15 GMT
Don't get me wrong, Marco is a nice guy, and personally I'd want him in my team but alongside a big strong back to goal type forward. Whether he's good enough to stay and be in the starting line up every week isnt really relevent though, being good enough isnt all that matters. Oh and Emjay, sometimes there is an agenda on the Player of the Month, Pat Lyons won it once!! and so few people vote for player of the month that you can have 5 or 6 way tie, all with 2 votes!! I though that he would have been an ideal strike partner to Rob Elvins. Thanks for filling me in on the agenda  |
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Post by niels on Mar 5, 2010 16:00:09 GMT
It'd be nice to get a big enought crow to make a bit of noise. Sounds a bit scary! Wouldn't a number of smaller crows do the job? |
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 5, 2010 17:02:36 GMT
The fault has been more with Elvins & Wilding IMO.
Not to forget RD/CH, to an extent.
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