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Post by jimbo on Nov 6, 2009 15:06:04 GMT
Taken from the club site The next fans' forum will be held on Saturday 28th November after City's home league match against Bishop's Stortford.
Among those present to answer your questions will be club chairman Anthony Hampson and team manager Richard Dryden.
The forum will start at 5pm and will be held in the Harry Knowles Lounge. I'm sure I heard The Chairman state that either David Hallmark or Dave Boddy would be told to attend the next forum. As D H has now left the board, I presume D B will be there as well as R D. Any bets as to whether I'm right or wrong ;D |
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Post by city4evaa on Nov 6, 2009 16:32:33 GMT
If db is there ill eat my own arm
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Post by georgethebassett on Nov 6, 2009 16:59:07 GMT
If db is there ill eat my own arm Dave Boddy and a man eating his own arm in the same room - not sure which would shock me more  |
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Post by Tony is not to despondent now. on Nov 6, 2009 18:40:07 GMT
If db is there ill eat my own arm There is no chance of you losing your arm! |
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Post by DazaB on Nov 6, 2009 23:05:06 GMT
Taken from the club site The next fans' forum will be held on Saturday 28th November after City's home league match against Bishop's Stortford.
Among those present to answer your questions will be club chairman Anthony Hampson and team manager Richard Dryden.
The forum will start at 5pm and will be held in the Harry Knowles Lounge. I'm sure I heard The Chairman state that either David Hallmark or Dave Boddy would be told to attend the next forum. As D H has now left the board, I presume D B will be there as well as R D. Any bets as to whether I'm right or wrong ;D hmmmm Willenhall are playing CAmmell Laird that day...  |
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Post by rushwickdon on Nov 17, 2009 17:44:43 GMT
Kiddy are at home to AFC Wimbledon too, in a re-arranged League game
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Post by DazaB on Nov 19, 2009 13:41:20 GMT
Kiddy are at home to AFC Wimbledon too, in a re-arranged League game Ohhhh Now that IS tempting. I was planning on going to Kiddy Barrow that day anyway for my Aggborough Soup fix. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2009 22:38:46 GMT
Will the management accounts be presented? It might have escapeds everyones notice but the club posted a near £100k loss in the year to May 2008, and the figures read out previously point to another £100k + loss.
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Post by wuffer on Nov 20, 2009 8:45:56 GMT
I am new to this area and keen to watch local football.Not impressed with level of 'debate' on banter board but I guess it comes from the frustration of having a disinterested board watching matters disintegate on and off the pitch .JCP seems to raise some good points inbetween the invective,why get wound up by a clown or number of clowns posing as Mr Positive,there are more important issues at stake.If as jcp states the club is losing 100k per year who or what is funding the loss this year?Is it the board or the developers( remember Swindon) or the bank? If it is none of these as all football income is front loaded WCFC will run out of funds by Christmas.Any ideas as to the answer?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2009 9:15:02 GMT
No-one wants to listen to these kinds of questions wuffer, which is why the club is in the situation it is in, supporters lack of interest has allowed this to happen. The disinterest isnt within the boardroom, its within supporters, it always has been.
Who, or what is funding the losses? the equity value of SGL, which of course is dwindling all the time.
No-one seems to have picked up on the comments by Jim Panter at WCC, the bank arrangements run out in December 2009, the bank is expecting full debt repayment by December 2009 from funds from the sale of SGL, after payment RBS DO NOT WANT TO BE THE CLUBS BANK!! The club will effectively be bankless!! Now it may be that RBS can be convinced to hold on until the planning application for SGL is heard in Feb / March 2010, but that will be at a cost, so even less equity in SGL to WCFC.
This isn't doom and gloom, this is the reality of the situation facing the board of directors, there is no delusion in anyones eyes here. If a suit at RBS head office says NO to continued lending for WCFC, the plug will be pulled, and pretty much straight away.
Now if anyone has an answer to find £1.55 million in the next 6 weeks, I'm sure the board will be all ears. There is of course only one answer, sell SGL, can you see what a strong position Careys are in now?
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Post by wuffer on Nov 20, 2009 19:59:46 GMT
Surely can!and if I have read the situation accurately there is no guarantee that the 3.5million sale is a done deal.What happens if they' renegotiate 'downwards yet again( other than there will be a small reduction in bank debt).Don't the fans realise there will be no new ground anywhere.You and your colleagues are not in my opinion 'doom and gloom merchants' just realists.Although not popular with supporter groups surely the one thing the board must do is to change the memo and articles to allow someone with money to invest before its too late.Such person would I am sure allow some supporter participation to maintain fans goodwill
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Post by niels on Nov 20, 2009 23:05:23 GMT
There are some who believe that all we'll get out of Careys is enough money to pay the bank back. I hope they are wrong.
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Post by jimbo on Dec 1, 2009 21:46:46 GMT
I was out of the country
Did anyone go ? Is there any news ?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2009 10:42:57 GMT
I didnt go, but I have been told that there was a certain level of contriteness.
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Post by Tony is not to despondent now. on Dec 2, 2009 13:48:49 GMT
It all seemed to be doom and gloom to me.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2009 14:05:46 GMT
it couldnt have been, I wasnt there!!
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Post by skippy on Dec 2, 2009 14:10:35 GMT
I surprised anyone bothers to go to these forums but I'm even more surprised that people believe what they are fed!
I bet hampo was going to look into points raised and that he was determined to see action carried out. <Yawn>
I bet Boddy wasn't there to answer questions raised months ago!
On that subject.. so much for Hampos fighting talk in the paper regarding our "face like a football"
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2009 16:01:56 GMT
Skippy, I owe you an apology, I was wrong and you were right  |
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Post by skippy on Dec 2, 2009 16:44:06 GMT
Skippy, I owe you an apology, I was wrong and you were right No apology needed mate, I wish he had proved me wrong. We all want what is best for the club at the end of the day. |
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Post by Mark on Dec 2, 2009 19:41:14 GMT
It all seemed to be doom and gloom to me. Yes, of course it was because that is the reality of the situation. At least it is now being aknowledged by the Board of Directors - that is a small step in the right direction. It is also correct that as jcp says there was a level of contriteness about the place - that is another small step in the right direction. Two smal steps in the right direction in one evening I need a lie down. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2009 11:44:42 GMT
I've washed my hands of the whole lot now. As a shareholder I've pressed the case vociferously for a drains up review of the whole operation that is WCFC Ltd. for two years now, and nothing has happened. As a shareholder I've asked the questions regarding the viability of a move to Nunnery Way, and I now know that the answers given have been somewhere between vague and downright dishonest. As a supporter I've worked with other supporters to look at various alternative ways to run the football club, and these have been dismissed out of hand by the Boards, old and new. As a supporter I've seen professional people offer up their help and assistance free of charge to the club (mainly other supporters with professional business skills and experiences), only to be totally ignored. I've only done any of this because I have always believed the old guff about a local football club being part of the heart of the community. But the more thats happened, the more I've realised that outside of the sterling work from the Bentleys, in conjunction with the Supporters Trust (much maligned by the Board) there is no desire for the club to be part of the community. If you want to see how a football club can be part of a community just look at the plans Evesham United have! Just look at the work done by Worcester Warriors to engage. There have never been any plans for community orientated facilities at nunnery Way, just a bit of lip-service about a gym or something. I wonder, if a proposal had gone in which included a training pitch and a floodlit 5 a side pitch or two, would the council have then allowed a degree of flexibility on enabling? Would they even have provided a level of funding, or sponsorship. would there be access to national government grants for community sports? Who knows, it was never forwarded as an option.
I now find myself in a position where I have no desire to either help or fight. Which feels kind of strange having offered to do both!! I sleep easy knowing I've tried, and I always laugh thinking about the total ******* like Simon Williams who thought he could use the club as some form of personal business club, or that Peake guy who saw the club as a way to solve a car parking problem, or Hallmark who seemed to view the club as a means to a very rewarding end. It is the story of football though, full of users, full of people looking to make something at the expense of a football club and its ready market - the supporters!! I just never really thought that would filter down as low as Blue Square Part-timers Leagues.
I will sit back and see what rises from the ashes in the New Year.
Looking forward to watching a football match with you some time Ealing - let me know if you are planning to go to any games local to you, evening games easier.
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Post by suv on Dec 3, 2009 12:41:52 GMT
I went to the Fans Forum (and to my first WCFC match this season).
As "Skippy" rightly pointed out,
"I surprised anyone bothers to go to these forums but I'm even more surprised that people believe what they are fed!"
Spot on.
Mr Panter gave us the usual Nunnery Way speech, he then left to go to a previously arranged meeting and Mr Hampson told the assembled fans a very different version.
As previously stated in this thread Mr Hampsons version was all "Doom and Gloom". It appeared to be an honest reflection by AH, but it will probably be changed when he next attends a Board meeting.
Dave Hallmarks resignation was also confirmed.
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Post by niels on Dec 3, 2009 13:13:38 GMT
My phone was unfortunately too low on battery to tape Saturday's meeting, which is a shame because it is very difficult to remember the contents of a hour long meeting. However reality has broken out with Panter and Hampson seemingly telling it as it is. I do have a deal of sympathy with them as their initial briefings have turned out to be fiction and they are having to learn an awful lot in a very short time. So credit where credit is due to them for sticking around rather than just jump ship when the going got really tough.
The sale of the Lane is proceeding with the bank apparantly willing to wait for their money. Contracts (subject to satisfactory planning permission) are soon to be exchanged.
Nunnery Way is unviable as things stand but our ex-esteemed leader and his crew seem to have signed a contract that the club may find it difficult to get out of. However alternative sites are being investigated including Cinderella and Hindlip, as well as ground sharing.
Many of the points made in Jem's main paragraph were discussed and they are being addressed by the board. I think many will be surprised by the promised board announcement, in the next couple of weeks, regarding us trouble makers.
My feeling is that we are nearly at the point where those who want to help the board try to save our club will be welcomed with open arms, and more importantly listened to.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2009 14:25:07 GMT
Like Jem, and I suspect many more, I'm treating the whole affair like a soap opera now. Part tragedy, part farce. I've never trusted Hampson and Panter since Hallmark parachuted them in at the AGM. I hoped I was wrong, but I suspect not. They might be amiable people - but WCFC has never been part of their lives. Why should it be now?
I'm still angry though. WCFC played a big part in my growing up. A great club in a great City. I've always thought pride in being a certain race, religion, class etc. was misplaced - it's just an accident of fate. But I'm proud to come from Worcester, and to have followed the club. I was, and am, a lucky bastard.
Tony's posting of the mustachioed fans highlighted the fact that those sods have killed off more than a football club.
Jem, it would be good to meet up. I'm probably more flexible than you (in time and space not joints) as I'm always here. I've tried being somewhere else but kept getting lost. Get in touch when you can make a game and I'll get the Trabant warmed up and meet you there.
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Post by niels on Dec 3, 2009 14:57:54 GMT
I've never trusted Hampson and Panter since Hallmark parachuted them in at the AGM. I hoped I was wrong, but I suspect not. They might be amiable people - but WCFC has never been part of their lives. Why should it be now? WCFC was part of the lives of the previous board (about all some of them had), and look what a mess they left us in, so I see that kind of comment as irrelevant. I would rather have business savi rugby people running this club than inept and naive supporters. With supporter help I think the present board (with a couple of knowlegeable additions) could possibly run this club fairly well (Well in my mind being survival, considering the mess we are in). However therein lies the rub. Many people will not help until football man and supporter Dave Boddy has gone, and with the rest of the board powerless to make him quit that is up to him. Boddy, in my opinion, has only one reason to stay and that is his seat on the Conference board. I hope that those close to him take some time over the next few weeks to point out that this is not a time for selfish actions but a time for thinking of what is good for the future of the club that he, and his family, supports. |
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Post by StopfordianWCFC on Dec 3, 2009 18:48:40 GMT
Its the first 'fans forum' I have attended - as for a change I didn't have to rush off. So I asked a lot of questions (sorry everyone else)..... and I didn't like most of the answers I got.....
BUT this was because the answers given were actually based on realism (some might say grim realism in the case of Mr Hampson). There was none of the previous fantasy island responses regarding our future. Nasty listening but at least the rose tinted spectacles have been consigned to the bin.
The positives I took from the meeting were:
The club now has people at the helm who don't appear to have a vested interest and at least recognise that we need help.
Other options are at last being properly persued.
The board now appears to accept that the ST do have the club's interests at heart and that the previous regime effectively sold the club down the river chasing an impossible dream.
DB is in a very difficult position (and I'm not talking as a full time assistant referee) and a proper statement is forthcoming.
The negatives were:
We are financially wrecked and within three years will be homeless and (in new stadium building terms at least) peniless.
If it is chilly on boxing day, it could be very worrying for the short term financial well being of the club.
We are all doomed! ;D
I think if people sought to re-engage with the club after the xmas break, they might get a pleasant surprise at the change of attitude.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2009 19:40:29 GMT
Mmmmm, all the things we said at the Cricket Ground in July 2008, and got told by boddy that it was all lies.
So how do you really spot the trouble makers at SGL? They were the ones in the blue blazers sitting together in the middle of the stand!
Will Boddy and co ever apologise for remarks he's made to individuals including me? I doubt it.
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Post by Tony is not to despondent now. on Dec 4, 2009 9:06:34 GMT
it couldnt have been, I wasnt there!! If you had been there jcp, the gloom and doom would have been even worse. But keep up the good work, and ask as many awkward questions as you can to get to the truth. |
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Post by dragon on Dec 4, 2009 10:10:18 GMT
If Boddy refuses to resign-I understand he has made it clear to The Hampster that`s the case-he can be removed from the Board at the forthcoming AGM.It would sit well with us rank and file if the motion was proposed by Hampson and seconded by Panter!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2009 10:28:09 GMT
I hope no one will prepare questions in advance this time.
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