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Post by canalender on Sept 26, 2009 18:23:44 GMT
Anything interesting said at the Fans Forum?
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Post by wuster on Sept 26, 2009 18:42:21 GMT
Same old, same old. Hampson & Colin Layland the only Board members in attendance. Boddy was asked to attend the forum but he hadn't got time. Everyone agrees Boddy "must go"..................(including Hampson) Everybody agrees Hallmark "must go"............(including Hampson) Doc Sorenson pointed out that people are needed to replace them if they do go. Most people now believe that the "Project" (Nunnery Way) will never happen though getting Hallmark to agree to this still seems impossible. Hampson hopes that WCFC will be able to rent SGL from Careys for a few years after the sale, although Colin Layland has his doubts because of health & safety issues at SGL. Hampson stated that yesterdays Worcester News article (re new sale price) was generally correct. Anyone with any questions for Board members should email them to the supporters trust and Hampson will get answers from the individual board members, which is back to "the same old same old". Hampson keeps telling meetings, fans forums, EGM's, AGM's "I'll get the answers to your questions, and the answers don't materialise ie Social Club accounts, Super Gold, etc. Another wasted hour and half in my opinion.
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Post by wuster on Sept 26, 2009 18:59:18 GMT
Nearly forgot,
Hampson was also talking about having a new ground (not at Nunnery way) in a "add on style". Buy a part of a stand when you've got cash then "add a bit more" at a later date !!!! He gave examples of clubs currently doing this but I've forgotten who they were !!!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2009 21:11:31 GMT
Ok This is important enough for me to come back on here and report back on what was said. After the last 18 months of blathering and bullshit from the Board of WCFC, we have finally heard what many of us have been saying all along, and thank goodness for that!! The Chairman Mr Hampson has said that the Nunnery Way project is dead! There is now clear water between what he sees as a rescue plan to get the bank off the clubs back, and the idea of moving to a new football ground. Firstly lets deal with SGL. Careys have reproposed an offer of around £4 million which Hampson is keen to finalise very very quickly. He agreed that the contracts arranged by Boddy were ludicrous and not in the interests of anyone other than Careys - they control their own destiny. He said if he'd been doing the deal he'd have created a matrix of value based on housing units - and commited Careys to purchase without being subject to planning permission. I asked him if this new deal would still be subject to planning permission and he said no - the deal would be finalised in the next weeks. The thinking being, if Careys believe they can put 70 houses on the site, then its up to them to figure out the planning scheme for it without it affecting the value of the land - deal done regardless! The deal with Careys would have a number of "commits" including one to allow WCFC to remain at the site for X number of years at a peppercorn rent - this should be acceptable to Careys as they don't really want to build now, but they must stump up the money as their part f that "commit" I was impressed by Hampsons deal talk, as it sounded like he was actually looking after the interests of the football club as opposed to being brassed by Careys in the way Boddy clearly was. Hampson spoke of options, like other builders submitting bids - thank God!! a bit of pressure being applied to Careys again. Having said that, its obvious that bringing in other bidders has its drawbacks, but if another bidder cam be found who will agree to the commits and provide more revenue, then maybe the drawbacks can be overcome - I imagine this relates to bringing in larger National housebuilders to add to landbanks at the bottom of the market, for instance, a large housebuilder paying slightly over the odds now would prefer to have that land banked now, rather than pay a lot more in three years time. This is a good time to look at a long deal like this. So, what if Careys do not agree to a deal? Well Hampson was a bit stuck on that one, although it is of course dependent on whether anyone else would put bids in. It was clear from Hampson that he wants to sell, nut he wants to do it in a way thats equitable and doesnt leave Careys in the kind of control that they have now.
Nunnery Way - is dead, end of. Pie in the Sky, not going to happen, and Hampson said that he is looking at other sites, and other options, but hopes that an agreement with Careys will allow the club time to consider other options. Too liitle, too late on this one, but saying "I told you so" doesnt really help, and pointing out that the so called troublemaking SHAGGERS had already found a site which was agreeable to the planners in principle over a year ago seemed pretty pointless. However, the very plan that was rubbished by Hampson in the call for action before the AGM might now be considered as a jolly good idea! Nunnery Way was not viable with a sale at £7.36 million, so as Rob Crean pointed out, with only £4 million its impossible, Hampson agreed. Can we now just draw a line under this project, which was doomed from the day it was first mooted? Don't know, the contractual issues with SMD might be massive. I don't think Hampson knows the implications of the SMD CSA, which was surprising, but he will do shortly!
It was clear from Hampsons tone and some of his comments, that the Board is split wide open, and there appears no loveloss between Hampson and Hallmark! It was made clear by a number of people in the room that many of the problems within the club over the last 10 years have been due to the negotiations and constant insistence that all that mattered was "The Project" and that the two foremost instigators of the porject were David Boddy and David Hallmark. They are seen by many as the destructive elements within the club, and Hampson was told in no uncertain terms that whilst they stayed at the club, then goodwill of supporters would remain withdrawn. Hampson is pleading with people to fill out his form to help, but no-one will do so until Boddy and Hallmark vacate. If Hampson wants to do the right thing to keep the club afloat, it would be to get both those two to resign!
At the beginning of the meeting Hampson said that he had answers from some of the directors, but that he would be unable to answer all questions as he disdnt have the knowledge. Rob Crean asked a very good question. Today was the FA Cup, so where were the other Directors? Hampson said Boddy was there, and Suv went to get him to bring him into the meeting. Boddy's response says it all, he said he'd come up if he had the time!! He never appeared! That is the level of contempt Boddy has for supporters, a pathetic act from a very pathetic little man.
So, after 18 months of fighting, of using up boundless energy in putting forward our concerns regarding the management of the club, after being pilloried by former Directors (and how come freeloader Prescott can walk into the ground without paying??) after being told we were liars by present Directors, although being called a troublemaker by Boddy is actually quite amusing!, after planning alternative strategies including taking the time and trouble to identify alternative sites - and then being pilloried again in the AGM brochure! Mr Hampson is actually now following that very same path! Everything we said has come to pass, every concern we had has been shown to have been a genuine one. Every lie told to shareholders and supporters alike has been blown apart. There was no ground sale for £7.36 million, there was no team to deliver the plan, there was indeed no plan, other than a land deal.
Finally I seriously hope we can now start thinking about a way that can save the club, but I fear it wont happen, not because it cant happen, but because the majority of WCFC supporters don't really care if it happens or not, they only want to be entertained on a Saturday afternoon. As long as thats the case, there arent enough people who will get off their arses and put in the hours to help the club. Without that infrastrusture in place, it really doesnt matter.
The so-called troublemakers werent troublemakers at all, just a bunch of people who put their cocks on the block to stand up and tell it how it is. If people had been prepared to listen, instead of thinking we were all bullshit, then we would not have wasted a complete year and the club would not be as close as it is to total failure.
Boddy and Hallmark out, Project declared officially dead and buried, a new plan to preserve the club (which will probably involve the ground sale anyway), and maybe, just maybe, people will come forward again and give Hampson the support that I think he deserves.
If that doesnt happen, then what the hell does any of it matter! I'll just go get splinters in my a**e sitting on PrestonWCFCs fence.
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Post by prestonwcfc on Sept 26, 2009 21:35:24 GMT
Know it all strikes again, maybe he can now also tell us what he thinks of the players Dryden has brought in now that most have played double figures for the club.
Oh forgot he hasn't bothered to go home or away, instead he takes the told you so line when in reality he has never told us anything !!
Sitting on the fence, maybe but I have supported the club far more than you have over the last 2-3 years, still i'm sure you'll decide that is wrong as well.
I actually thought SHAG was a good idea and didn't have a problem with it as if nothing else if cleared the majority of the deadwood and created a degree of change., I still to this day have far more respect for WH, Rich Widd etc who have continued to support the team through their attendance at matches despite the goings on. Furthermore at their postings and conversation are at least their views and rationale, on occasions different from my own and those of others but still rational and not mear rants or taking of the high ground. They (I hope) respect my views as much as I do theirs, and not once have they used the told you so line. This is what sets them apart from others on here esp the nodding donkey on the second row tonight !
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2009 21:48:28 GMT
"when in reality he has never told us anything !!"
How the hell can you say that?
Jem, I don't believe a word Hampson says. He talks the talk - but he's still Hallmark's stooge. That's why he was brought in. He's been hinting at getting rid of Boddy and Hallmark since he arrived. Yet he's done nothing. He's not running the show.
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Post by prestonwcfc on Sept 26, 2009 22:04:59 GMT
Because I don't believe Jem has told us anything that hasn't been in the public domain already.
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Post by canalender on Sept 26, 2009 23:47:40 GMT
Because I don't believe Jem has told us anything that hasn't been in the public domain already. To be fair to Jem, he was responding to my enquiry and in the past has often brought new information and insights into the forum.
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Post by prestonwcfc on Sept 27, 2009 8:01:38 GMT
canalender, I don't have a problem with his reply as long as it is balanced.
My problem with Jem is two fold. The constant personal attacks he insists on using not just at me but seemingly everybody who dares to challenge him
Secondly his constant I know better then everyone attitude he displays on here. Jem is very eloquent in his postings, but his constant attacks have seen many supporters he himself admits to not knowing leave this board and in turn create alot of bad feeling. Just ask Andy, Michael and others. I believe (and others) he is as destructive as those who have run the club over the last 10 years.
As I posted earlier everyone is entitled to their own opinion it is just some can't seem to accept that sometimes they may be wrong.
Surely now is the time for everyone to pull together. There is alot bad at the Lane but actually alot of Good as is shown by the increasing number of events, Jem Laylands work, the improved shop, increased sponsorship vs Last season etc. Why even yesterdays attendance was higher than alot feared !
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Post by wh on Sept 27, 2009 8:26:34 GMT
that was avery frustrating forum, I wish now that i hadn't attended as it left me feeling very flat and even more sure of the terminal outcome to all of this mess. And to ealing, I agree about AH and his croud pleasing comments, I did make a point of telling him that and reminding him of the brave words he said at a previously forum regarding pulling Hallmark into line. The real worrying message was that the project team who have delivered this total pile of crap are now being trusted to draw up a better alternative.argggggghhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2009 10:27:16 GMT
Know it all strikes again, maybe he can now also tell us what he thinks of the players Dryden has brought in now that most have played double figures for the club. Oh forgot he hasn't bothered to go home or away, instead he takes the told you so line when in reality he has never told us anything !! Sitting on the fence, maybe but I have supported the club far more than you have over the last 2-3 years, still i'm sure you'll decide that is wrong as well. I actually thought SHAG was a good idea and didn't have a problem with it as if nothing else if cleared the majority of the deadwood and created a degree of change., I still to this day have far more respect for WH, Rich Widd etc who have continued to support the team through their attendance at matches despite the goings on. Furthermore at their postings and conversation are at least their views and rationale, on occasions different from my own and those of others but still rational and not mear rants or taking of the high ground. They (I hope) respect my views as much as I do theirs, and not once have they used the told you so line. This is what sets them apart from others on here esp the nodding donkey on the second row tonight ! Ok, tell me how you have supported the club? Mike Sorenson spelt it out to me very clearly after ther meeting, too few people are prepared to put in the hours to help the club, to support the club where it needs it, and too many just want to turn up and watch matches and call that support. Thats Mike Sorenson saying that , not me. After a long hard struggle we've finally come very near to a point where we can start to rebuild the club after the last 10 years of destruction, I really don't give a s*** about my reputation, or whether I gain the respect of the insignificants like you Preston, I think its far more important to work with the people who will matter, like Hampson and Sorenson and Derek Jones and Barry Ward and Paul Curtis, and anyone who's prepared to put the long hours in to keep the club afloat including Dave Boddy, and to be honest, its going to be difficult. I'd like to think that you've got the balls for it, but somehow I doubt it. You might not know it, but Derek Jones and Paul Curtis get verbally abused by so called "supporters" who claim to have supported the club so much, when they go to a match, yet these are the guys who have kept Richard Dryden at the club so far (the info around that isnt public domain, so I'll respect privacy there) Oh and WH doesnt go to games, he, like me and quite a few others, turned up after the game yesterday. The funniest part of your rather strange post is the bit where you're basically saying I'm a know it all, but that all the information is in the public domain. Well if its all in the public domain, and it is of course, then I know no more, or no little than you do. I guess we all have two choices, we can use what we know to better a situation and to right or wrong, or we can hide away, pretend its not there and hope somebody else uses the knowledge (of course then you criticise those who actually use knowledge). So I'm a know all for knowing no more public domain information than you do. What that means is that you know whats going on, you know the situation with the club you say you support, and you actually make a choice to do nothing at all. Come on, step out from the shadows whoever you are, and work with us.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2009 10:31:13 GMT
"when in reality he has never told us anything !!" How the hell can you say that? Jem, I don't believe a word Hampson says. He talks the talk - but he's still Hallmark's stooge. That's why he was brought in. He's been hinting at getting rid of Boddy and Hallmark since he arrived. Yet he's done nothing. He's not running the show. Ealing, the likes of Preston are the scourge of many a good Director at WCFC. So called "supporters" who won't lift a finger to help the club, but like to criticise those who do. I think Hampson will show his teeth now, and to be honest he probably won't need to, as Hallmarks interest is Nunnery Way and not Worcester City, so no Nunnery Way, and no need for any involvement from Hallmark.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2009 10:35:24 GMT
that was avery frustrating forum, I wish now that i hadn't attended as it left me feeling very flat and even more sure of the terminal outcome to all of this mess. And to ealing, I agree about AH and his croud pleasing comments, I did make a point of telling him that and reminding him of the brave words he said at a previously forum regarding pulling Hallmark into line. The real worrying message was that the project team who have delivered this total pile of crap are now being trusted to draw up a better alternative.argggggghhhhhhhhhhhhh!!! Wayne, I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one, but thats what debate is all about. At least you have the courage of your conviction, and we're all working for some sort of future for the club. Its people like you, Sorenson, Rich Widd, Derek, Paul , Barry, Celia, Baz Pinches, Creaner, Colin Layland and, in my view Hampson too, who are prepared to make a fist of this club. Now I think thats a decent Board line up!!
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Post by prestonwcfc on Sept 27, 2009 10:41:33 GMT
"when in reality he has never told us anything !!" How the hell can you say that? Jem, I don't believe a word Hampson says. He talks the talk - but he's still Hallmark's stooge. That's why he was brought in. He's been hinting at getting rid of Boddy and Hallmark since he arrived. Yet he's done nothing. He's not running the show. Ealing, the likes of Preston are the scourge of many a good Director at WCFC. So called "supporters" who won't lift a finger to help the club, but like to criticise those who do. I think Hampson will show his teeth now, and to be honest he probably won't need to, as Hallmarks interest is Nunnery Way and not Worcester City, so no Nunnery Way, and no need for any involvement from Hallmark. OK we can argue about how much each of us have done over the past few years, but lets look to the future. The club needs day to day costs, lets both start by attending next weeks game to support the team, backed by a cheque to sponsor one of the players for the rest of the season. Or do we need to dismantle the club further ?
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Post by prestonwcfc on Sept 27, 2009 10:48:44 GMT
Ok, tell me how you have supported the club? Mike Sorenson spelt it out to me very clearly after ther meeting, too few people are prepared to put in the hours to help the club, to support the club where it needs it, and too many just want to turn up and watch matches and call that support. Thats Mike Sorenson saying that , not me. After a long hard struggle we've finally come very near to a point where we can start to rebuild the club after the last 10 years of destruction, I really don't give a s*** about my reputation, or whether I gain the respect of the insignificants like you Preston, I think its far more important to work with the people who will matter, like Hampson and Sorenson and Derek Jones and Barry Ward and Paul Curtis, and anyone who's prepared to put the long hours in to keep the club afloat including Dave Boddy, and to be honest, its going to be difficult. I'd like to think that you've got the balls for it, but somehow I doubt it. You might not know it, but Derek Jones and Paul Curtis get verbally abused by so called "supporters" who claim to have supported the club so much, when they go to a match, yet these are the guys who have kept Richard Dryden at the club so far (the info around that isnt public domain, so I'll respect privacy there) Oh and WH doesnt go to games, he, like me and quite a few others, turned up after the game yesterday. The funniest part of your rather strange post is the bit where you're basically saying I'm a know it all, but that all the information is in the public domain. Well if its all in the public domain, and it is of course, then I know no more, or no little than you do. I guess we all have two choices, we can use what we know to better a situation and to right or wrong, or we can hide away, pretend its not there and hope somebody else uses the knowledge (of course then you criticise those who actually use knowledge). So I'm a know all for knowing no more public domain information than you do. What that means is that you know whats going on, you know the situation with the club you say you support, and you actually make a choice to do nothing at all. Come on, step out from the shadows whoever you are, and work with us. 1. Glad you have agreed to help the club again 2. Don't think I have ever slated Derek and Paul at games in fact I said a few weeks back I admire them for not walking away 3. I think you'll find WH has been to games this season, I wasn't refering to yesterday 4. My posting was refering to the way you insinuate you know something without ever revealing anything Oh and see you felt fit to ignore the challenge about personall attacks on many who have used this board.
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Post by prestonwcfc on Sept 27, 2009 10:52:55 GMT
[quote author=jcp board=offthepitch thread=2164 post=28592 time=1254047724Wayne, I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one, but thats what debate is all about. At least you have the courage of your conviction, and we're all working for some sort of future for the club. Its people like you, Sorenson, Rich Widd, Derek, Paul , Barry, Celia, Baz Pinches, Creaner, Colin Layland and, in my view Hampson too, who are prepared to make a fist of this club. Now I think thats a decent Board line up!![/quote]
Bloody hell, we actually agree with most of that list , although I would add KSS and Jim Panter.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2009 11:01:09 GMT
Ealing, the likes of Preston are the scourge of many a good Director at WCFC. So called "supporters" who won't lift a finger to help the club, but like to criticise those who do. I think Hampson will show his teeth now, and to be honest he probably won't need to, as Hallmarks interest is Nunnery Way and not Worcester City, so no Nunnery Way, and no need for any involvement from Hallmark. OK we can argue about how much each of us have done over the past few years, but lets look to the future. The club needs day to day costs, lets both start by attending next weeks game to support the team, backed by a cheque to sponsor one of the players for the rest of the season. Or do we need to dismantle the club further ? Happy to do it - jeez I've done it for over 30 years, so its hardly doing anything new, but only when Boddy and Hallmark have left the club. There's no benefit to the club if my money (and your money) is simply being passed on to consultants for a scheme which in the words of Anthony Hampson is "self-scuppering" instead of into pocket of Richard Dryden to build a team and pay the players. Other people have had to do that directly whilst your gate money goes in other directions. Think about it. The stay-awayers have only hit the cashflow in order to bring this to the attention to the board in the only way possible, in the cashflow pocket. The poorly negotiated contracts (and this was highlighted to the board almost two years ago, by some legal know-alls, that this very situation with Careys could happen) has cost the club in excess of £3 million - now thats what I called dismantling!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2009 11:17:37 GMT
Ok, tell me how you have supported the club? Mike Sorenson spelt it out to me very clearly after ther meeting, too few people are prepared to put in the hours to help the club, to support the club where it needs it, and too many just want to turn up and watch matches and call that support. Thats Mike Sorenson saying that , not me. After a long hard struggle we've finally come very near to a point where we can start to rebuild the club after the last 10 years of destruction, I really don't give a s*** about my reputation, or whether I gain the respect of the insignificants like you Preston, I think its far more important to work with the people who will matter, like Hampson and Sorenson and Derek Jones and Barry Ward and Paul Curtis, and anyone who's prepared to put the long hours in to keep the club afloat including Dave Boddy, and to be honest, its going to be difficult. I'd like to think that you've got the balls for it, but somehow I doubt it. You might not know it, but Derek Jones and Paul Curtis get verbally abused by so called "supporters" who claim to have supported the club so much, when they go to a match, yet these are the guys who have kept Richard Dryden at the club so far (the info around that isnt public domain, so I'll respect privacy there) Oh and WH doesnt go to games, he, like me and quite a few others, turned up after the game yesterday. The funniest part of your rather strange post is the bit where you're basically saying I'm a know it all, but that all the information is in the public domain. Well if its all in the public domain, and it is of course, then I know no more, or no little than you do. I guess we all have two choices, we can use what we know to better a situation and to right or wrong, or we can hide away, pretend its not there and hope somebody else uses the knowledge (of course then you criticise those who actually use knowledge). So I'm a know all for knowing no more public domain information than you do. What that means is that you know whats going on, you know the situation with the club you say you support, and you actually make a choice to do nothing at all. Come on, step out from the shadows whoever you are, and work with us. 1. Glad you have agreed to help the club again 2. Don't think I have ever slated Derek and Paul at games in fact I said a few weeks back I admire them for not walking away 3. I think you'll find WH has been to games this season, I wasn't refering to yesterday 4. My posting was refering to the way you insinuate you know something without ever revealing anything Oh and see you felt fit to ignore the challenge about personall attacks on many who have used this board. I know a lot that I cant reveal for two reasons, which I'd hope you'd respect. Firstly, it is information given in confidence, for instance I have documents which I would love to make public, however if I did, not only could I be legally liable, but so could those who have given me the documents. Ok it sounds cloak and dagger, but thats only because it is. What would you do with that information? Secondly, I've been told things in confidence which isn't corroborated and can't be corroborated, or at least not until things like public meetings or accounts are issued. If someone gives me something in confidence, I respect that confidence, if however that info can be found by others if they are prepared to look, in the words of a journalist friend of mine "I'll show them where the bodies are, but they've got to figure out the rest" I get phone calls from people who have nothing to do with WCFC, but have information that could be of use. They've also told me where to look. I've got information that I really wish I didnt have from people I wish I didnt know. Sometimes I wish I could just watch a game and buy a replica shirt - but then again, I know too much about the replica shirts!! Personal attacks challenge? what is this, some kind of bun fight?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2009 11:20:14 GMT
[quote author=jcp board=offthepitch thread=2164 post=28592 time=1254047724Wayne, I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one, but thats what debate is all about. At least you have the courage of your conviction, and we're all working for some sort of future for the club. Its people like you, Sorenson, Rich Widd, Derek, Paul , Barry, Celia, Baz Pinches, Creaner, Colin Layland and, in my view Hampson too, who are prepared to make a fist of this club. Now I think thats a decent Board line up!! Bloody hell, we actually agree with most of that list , although I would add KSS and Jim Panter.[/quote] See, again, I cant comment on that without telling you something that I can't!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2009 11:45:31 GMT
canalender, I don't have a problem with his reply as long as it is balanced. My problem with Jem is two fold. The constant personal attacks he insists on using not just at me but seemingly everybody who dares to challenge him Secondly his constant I know better then everyone attitude he displays on here. Jem is very eloquent in his postings, but his constant attacks have seen many supporters he himself admits to not knowing leave this board and in turn create alot of bad feeling. Just ask Andy, Michael and others. I believe (and others) he is as destructive as those who have run the club over the last 10 years. As I posted earlier everyone is entitled to their own opinion it is just some can't seem to accept that sometimes they may be wrong. Surely now is the time for everyone to pull together. There is alot bad at the Lane but actually alot of Good as is shown by the increasing number of events, Jem Laylands work, the improved shop, increased sponsorship vs Last season etc. Why even yesterdays attendance was higher than alot feared ! Why should a reply EVER be balanced??? This is a business issue and not a garden party. Do you think that St. Modwen or Careys are interested in balance? Do you think Hallmark or Boddy are interested in balance? I totally agree that we should all pull together AT SGL!! But without any business process, or final objective, then its a giant piss into a hurricane. Direct action has got us to a point where this can possibly be achieved, not being balanced. WH is right to still be concerned that Hampson is playing the "balanced" card, and we must see beyond him for the time being. As Frank Abagnale used to say "people can't take their eyes off the pinstripes" as he was conning them out of millions! If pissing off Andy Bullock is the price to pay to see some kind of stability and future for the club, I can live with that. If pissing off Jem Pitt is price to pay to see some kind of stability and future for the club, i can live with that too!! When my "destruction" costs the club £3 million pounds, gladly point the finger!
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Post by The Verner on Sept 27, 2009 18:03:32 GMT
I would leave Doc Sorenson off that list, nothing but a misrable sod, KSS where do i start, anything Gem Layland comes up with he shoots down in flames, the man is responsible for the problems between the Bar and Burger bar. The man has no interest in helping the club.
All he has come up with is cut all costs, that wont save us.
Have to agree with the comment regarding Gem Laylands ideas, although the family fun day wasnt her idea that all goes down to Phil in the office.
One idea we are both working on which we hope to bring together IF we still have a club is a concert on the pitch at the end of the season, the groundsmen are happy with it and so are 3 board members, i think she will make that a success.
Any ideas are welcome from anything, and i have to agree with every single comment from everyone above, AH must do some sorting out of personnel on the board.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2009 18:45:46 GMT
Well I'm a stay-away merchant as well, and have been since the AGM. The whole set up stank. Just replacing Boddy with another puppet was an obvious ploy. Same s*** different flies.
And I'll not put a penny, or minute's worth of effort, into this club until Boddy and Hallmark are officially off the board AND ejected from the club. I don't trust Hampson. He was foisted on us prior to the AGM as a facade to shore up a discredited board and chairman. He's Hallmark's man. If he turned - genuinely turned - and his former paymaster was truly gone, then maybe I'd consider giving him my support. Until then I think he's just stalling while the records are being burned and shredded.
I'll not attend a game or re-subscribe to any draws or buy any merchandising until this mob have been swept away.
I suspect serious fraudulent activity has taken place at SGL. Where are the revised accounts? What has Hampson to say about them?How did the debt get so huge? The scandal of the huge losses made by the social club can't be hidden by a lick of paint. It needs looking into.
I know Doc Sorensen is seen as a saviour by many, but he was in charge while the debt started to spiral. If there is a new board I'd hope he wasn't on it. And what does he mean that there is no one who wants to put the hours in to help WCFC? Rich Widd? Derek Jones? Baz Pinches? Celia? The Bentleys? Colin Layland? Barry Ward? Jane Clarke? Jem Pitt? Daz Butler? Malcolm Robson? etc etc etc. All rejected in one way or another.
How many would even think of getting involved now that we're in this shambles?
And why is Boddy still in the frame? The only reason I can think of is that he knows too much.
Jem may rub a few people up the wrong way now and then, but he's angry. Many of us are. We've lost something very dear to us. Something many of us grew up with and shared with parents and friends now sadly departed. We have a right to be angry, in fact furious. But at least Jem has stood up and made his voice heard.
I didn't know how bad the accounts were; the state of the social club; that Andrew Guy wasn't a nimby but had a point re the stadium at NW; that the contracts that Boddy signed were suicidal etc etc. He told me, and he found out because he researched the facts. Why? Because he cares.
This is indeed a time for us all to pull together - but not in the same direction as this board. If we do we'll be heading for Son of Nunnery. A fool is someone who trips over the same stone twice. They're the same stone.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2009 20:00:32 GMT
The treatment of Malcolm Robson was one the worst acts ever from the Board, and was one of the things that set the alarm bells ringing. Why wouldnt you want the help and advice of the Financial Director of one of the biggests land management companies in the country??? That just does not make sense unless you've got something to hide. The treatment of Celia Adams, both whilst at the club, and shockingly after she walked away just confirmed any lingering doubts!
Just think, if I and the few other troublemakers hadnt rubbed people up the wrong way we'd still have Boddy at the helm, supported by Lancaster, Prescoott would still be ruining the bar, and the other freeloaders would still be taking and taking. We'd have Boddy still being shafted left right and centre by Careys and SMD, whilst still saying " I only deal in facts, and the facts are the debt is only £1 million and the ground has been SOLD, yes SOLD, for £7.36 million, no strings!!) We'd probably have IDIFF on the Board and Tim Harris as manager and Director of Football.
And you won't ever hear me saying "I told you so" but you will hear me confirming that everything we've said, or published has come to pass, simply because we DID deal in facts, corroborated facts.
Some time ago I had a long conversation with Andrew Guy, and we finished it saying that one day we will enjoy a beer together at SGL, I think that day will be coming round quite soon.
Over to you Mr Hampson!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2009 20:09:33 GMT
"And you won't ever hear me saying "I told you so" "
O.k. I'll say it. He told you so.
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Post by wh on Sept 27, 2009 21:42:11 GMT
3. I think you'll find WH has been to games this season, I wasn't refering to yesterday To set the record straight I havent been to any home games this season I only only go to away ones, I wont give a penny to this mob. On another subject... Why are the old guard still welcomed into the board room and into the ground for free? They left under a cloud and yet still retain all the freeloader privileges of the office they once disgraced? I'm beginning to think the club isnt worth saving, if boddy and hallmark step down from the board they will still be lingering around in the background with even more reasons to get revenge on the good folk who they have already wronged. sorry I have to admit I'm beaten these tossers have taken too much of my time up and energy. As anyone who was at the forum will back me up on this, I was actually close to tears of rage at the situation. I could hardly speak because I was so full of despair and total frustration at the situation. Sorry no more on here or anywhere else from me. AND I MEAN IT!!!!! That's it and I just hope the end comes quickly for the club because it is just a laughing stock now.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2009 7:57:24 GMT
And so another good man walks away in frustration. Someone who set up one of the best web sites in U.K. football - for free. Yet how was his hard work rewarded by the board? He was abused and battered. Shameful. No wonder no one wants to help. Good luck wayne, and I hope to see you again one day.
P.S. In the off chance we can rid ourselves of the parasites, please don't lose touch.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2009 7:57:57 GMT
Agreed, how can someone like Prescott, who's ineffectiveness at running a bar lost the club so much money, who still tried to hold on to his seat despite being a total failure, still is able to walk straight through the gates without paying. Everyone says "stop going on about the past" but this is the problem, the past just won't go away. Prescott should either pay £11 each game and an additional £1 for his seat in the stand (in the stand, not the Directors box) or he doesnt go to games. Anthony, you are fully aware of this now, and so is everyone else, so people will be watching what happens. End it now! Wayne, I've never seen you looking so angry and so frustrated, I've had emails from a number of people who feel exactly the same way as you do, but I'm going to give it one last shot although I don't know quite why. I'm sending some stuff over to Hampson today, I hope he uses it, if he doesnt then I owe you an apology. I take your point about Boddy, and the problem with Boddy is that he has nothing in his life other than WCFC. Hallmark however has no interest in WCFC whatsoever, only in the land deal. Its summed up perfectly in the Worcester News, Hampson saying that Nunnery Way is no longer viable, yet Hallmark is making meetings with the City Council to speed up the planning process, for a plan that is not even viable for the football club!! Even now, with a £3 million gaping hole that even his own fellow board members recognise have scuppered the project, he still wants a development at Nunnery Way!!! Whilst I've always wondered what Hallmark stands to gain by the Nunnery Way development happening, I'm now beginning to wonder just what he stands to lose if it doesn't! Andrew, that beer is looking closer by the day
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Post by suv on Sept 28, 2009 9:18:09 GMT
Know it all strikes again, maybe he can now also tell us what he thinks of the players Dryden has brought in now that most have played double figures for the club. Oh forgot he hasn't bothered to go home or away, instead he takes the told you so line when in reality he has never told us anything !! Sitting on the fence, maybe but I have supported the club far more than you have over the last 2-3 years, still i'm sure you'll decide that is wrong as well. I actually thought SHAG was a good idea and didn't have a problem with it as if nothing else if cleared the majority of the deadwood and created a degree of change., I still to this day have far more respect for WH, Rich Widd etc who have continued to support the team through their attendance at matches despite the goings on. Furthermore at their postings and conversation are at least their views and rationale, on occasions different from my own and those of others but still rational and not mear rants or taking of the high ground. They (I hope) respect my views as much as I do theirs, and not once have they used the told you so line. This is what sets them apart from others on here esp the nodding donkey on the second row tonight ! Sorry Rob, but I've got to disagree with your "know it all" comment. I'm now a stay away fan (now watching Wolves again). My first trip to SGL was for the forum on Saturday, I too didn't attend the match. Jem's comments/views on this message board over the last couple of seasons have never really changed re the project/board etc, and don't forget CG told most of you the same suspicions at the same time. To me, the main change is from Mr Hampson who is now publicly beginning to express the same concerns as were voiced a couple of years ago by the people who researched the issues. I hope again that Jem is correct in his assessment that Mr Hampson can "turn the club around" however my opinion is similar to Ealings assessment that "he can't or won't be allowed to" as has been his previous attempts. Mr Hampson seems genuine at the meetings but in my opinion generally on the important issues he's failed to deliver.
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Post by richwidd on Sept 28, 2009 9:48:42 GMT
Further to the post from Rob (Preston) above, I didn't attend a Home game from February until the end of last season but I have been to all bar one of the Home games this season. I have stood on the Cavalier Terrace for the best part of 20 years and throughout that time there has always been at least 5-6 people stood there, come rain or shine, but usually 10-15. This year NONE of those (hardcore)supporters come anymore and they won't come again until Boddy and Hallmark resign. I have attached a copy of the press release from last year which stated that SGL had been sold, The denials from Boddy that it had been sold subject to contract were quite obviously incorrect. The headlines were a ploy to divert supporters attending the open forum at WCCC as stated at the time by the Trust Steering Committee. I believe Boddy stated at the open forum that the Trust were "misguided" & "Factually incorrect" The report written by a firm of local solicitors at the request of the WCFC Board, who will still remain nameless, stating that Nunnery Way was a non-starter was 100% correct two years ago as it is today. All of the people who expressed concerns about NW including amongst others Celia Adams were shunned as have many other people over the past 15 years including those who tried to make a difference when the debt was a 10th of what it is today. Perhaps those people who believed the likes of Boddy and Hallmark will now either join the WCFC Supporters Trust as new members or if they are already members unite to get these two people out of WCFC as quickly as possible. Now that the 20 year dream of Nunnery Way is well and truly over, this is now about saving WCFC and no longer about a land deal which was never going to benefit WCFC. Perhaps David Hallmark could also explain why HE went ballistic when an agreement for the sale of SGL at £8 million pounds to Bellway Homes had been made long before the eventual offer from Careys. As the person leading this whole deal for the last 20 years is obviously not very good at what he does (or doesn't do). So Dave Boddy & David Hallmark, if you are reading this - RESIGN. Attachments:
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Post by prestonwcfc on Sept 28, 2009 10:01:00 GMT
Further to the post from Rob (Preston) above, I didn't attend a Home game from February until the end of last season but I have been to all bar one of the Home games this season. I have stood on the Cavalier Terrace for the best part of 20 years and throughout that time there has always been at least 5-6 people stood there, come rain or shine, but usually 10-15. This year NONE of those (hardcore)supporters come anymore and they won't come again until Boddy and Hallmark resign. I have attached a copy of the press release from last year which stated that SGL had been sold, The denials from Boddy that it had been sold subject to contract were quite obviously incorrect. The headlines were a ploy to divert supporters attending the open forum at WCCC as stated at the time by the Trust Steering Committee. I believe Boddy stated at the open forum that the Trust were "misguided" & "Factually incorrect" The report written by a firm of local solicitors at the request of the WCFC Board, who will still remain nameless, stating that Nunnery Way was a non-starter was 100% correct two years ago as it is today. All of the people who expressed concerns about NW including amongst others Celia Adams were shunned as have many other people over the past 15 years including those who tried to make a difference when the debt was a 10th of what it is today. Perhaps those people who believed the likes of Boddy and Hallmark will now either join the WCFC Supporters Trust as new members or if they are already members unite to get these two people out of WCFC as quickly as possible. Now that the 20 year dream of Nunnery Way is well and truly over, this is now about saving WCFC and no longer about a land deal which was never going to benefit WCFC. So Dave Boddy & David Hallmark, if you are reading this - RESIGN. Rich - totally agree. The ST is the vehicle that everyone should get behind.
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