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Post by creaner on May 22, 2009 6:45:45 GMT
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Post by prestonwcfc on May 22, 2009 13:13:17 GMT
So who´s next !
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Post by Tony is not to despondent now. on May 22, 2009 18:06:46 GMT
Plan B misfired then!
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Post by hampster on May 22, 2009 19:35:59 GMT
probably set their sights on Perrywood FC next...
Lots of talk and no action, where have I seen that before?
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2009 20:14:20 GMT
So someone tries something which doesn't work out and that makes them a villain? Perhaps they should have just done f*c k all and watched the ship sink? I can't be arsed with this anymore.
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Post by LeedsWCFC on May 22, 2009 20:37:06 GMT
So someone tries something which doesn't work out and that makes them a villain? Perhaps they should have just done f*c k all and watched the ship sink? I can't be arsed with this anymore. Was what they did anything to do with Worcester City? It was supposed to be a rescue for Malvern Town, wasn't it? Or were they happy to kill off another football club; call it, say, AFC Worcester while continuing to promote the demise of the current WCFC? And all just so that they could have control of a club with Worcester in the name while making false claims to be saviours of football in Worcester? |
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Post by Tony is not to despondent now. on May 23, 2009 7:44:40 GMT
So someone tries something which doesn't work out and that makes them a villain? Perhaps they should have just done f*c k all and watched the ship sink? I can't be arsed with this anymore. Was what they did anything to do with Worcester City? It was supposed to be a rescue for Malvern Town, wasn't it? Or were they happy to kill off another football club; call it, say, AFC Worcester while continuing to promote the demise of the current WCFC? And all just so that they could have control of a club with Worcester in the name while making false claims to be saviours of football in Worcester? Probably some sort of rescue plan for the City if things go egg shaped at Nunnery Way. i.e. plan B. |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2009 17:50:01 GMT
I think the group in question were reacting to the seemingly hopeless, and powerless, situation many of us have felt we've been in since the AGM.
By the way, there was an interesting article by Brian Moore in the Telegraph in which he argued that the only way Newcastle fans could exercise any power, and stop the ongoing madness at the club, was to boycott it - rather than try and be seen as "real" fans and continue to buy season tickets etc. thus funding the very people they despise.
I sincerely hope I'm wrong in my beliefs regarding the motives and incompetence of the current board, however I don't want to repeat myself yet again on the subject - I've bored myself rigid, let alone you. I certainly don't want to get into arguments with people on this board like Leeds who I not only respect a great deal, but like. I think it's best I walk away now and wish the club (but not Hallmark and co.) the very best of luck.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2009 18:13:23 GMT
probably set their sights on Perrywood FC next... Lots of talk and no action, where have I seen that before? Actually tons of action, loads of time and not an inconsiderable amount of money. Discussions with every party relevent in terms of trying to retain a viable football club for the likes of LeedsWCFC to entertain himself with. Very little cheap talk to any other parties other than relevent ones. A lot of hard work, late nights, administrative hoops to jump through, a lot of negotiation, a lot of thought to try and deliver a football club that could be owned by the people of Worcester, the supporters, the likes of LeedsWCFC if he could be bothered (Although he probably wouldn't want a big thing like making decisions to get in the way of his personal entertainment now!!) In the end, it didn't happen this time around, but if the likes of LeedsWCFC care so little about whats happening at Worcester City that all they can do is debunk the efforts of those who try to deliver a form of "Plan B" and even a "Plan C" then why should those people even bother trying again. At least these guys who care can walk away from this sorry excuse for a football club with their heads held high, whilst the "supporters" looking for nothing more than a bit of cheap entertainment will be asking "what happened?" when Hallmark & Co. walk away from the "project" with their pockets deepened, and the football club in financial crisis but this time with no asset, and no dreams of a new ground. "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing" (Burke (supposedly) ) The powers that be at WCFC Ltd. know this is the case at the club, they can rely on LeedsWCFC and his ilk to believe that they are there for the good of the football, and even if they don't believe it, they don't have the balls to do or say anything about it. Ask yourself why Hallmark is so desperate for this ground move to succeed? He doesnt even go to St. Georges Lane! Oh well, so long as people like LeedsWCFC are too thick to see that they are being shafted, and just criticise those who are trying to help them, the present board look like they've got an easy ride to the riches of the M5 Corridor. |
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Post by ac on May 23, 2009 20:45:27 GMT
I don't believe that the current board are entirely there for the future of the football club and that the NW move has a lot to do with their intentions. However I also doubt some of the motives of the SHAG, how does taking over another club and deleting them to form AFCW help that club- I don't want to see other clubs disappear to keep a form of City in existence. It's not working trying to fight the board, the only way I can see sadly is to let them carry on to failure- which I think will be before the club can move, and then be there to pick up the pieces and then it will be time to form AFC Worcester. Misguided as I may be in some people's opinions, but that is my opinion.
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Post by wh on May 24, 2009 7:59:57 GMT
I have just read Steve Carley's (very one sided piece) and can see no mention of AFC Worcester or the groups desire to take over MT and change the name. Im staggered at some of the animosity shown on here towards people who are willing and interested to get involved and help out.
Maybe your time would be better spent trying to sort out the sorry mess that is WCFC, I'm beginning to think that some times people do get what they deserve.
As part of this apparent bunch of mercenaries who pray on clubs in trouble can tell you that the members of the group are extremely disappointed not to be able to chip in and help MTFC.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2009 11:13:38 GMT
I don't believe that the current board are entirely there for the future of the football club and that the NW move has a lot to do with their intentions. However I also doubt some of the motives of the SHAG, how does taking over another club and deleting them to form AFCW help that club- I don't want to see other clubs disappear to keep a form of City in existence. It's not working trying to fight the board, the only way I can see sadly is to let them carry on to failure- which I think will be before the club can move, and then be there to pick up the pieces and then it will be time to form AFC Worcester. Misguided as I may be in some people's opinions, but that is my opinion. Well if you doubt the motives of what you call SHAG, why don't you ask me? or Wayne? or talk to Barry Ward? Why don't you look at the previous record of other SHAG people? For many years Derek Jones and Rich Widdowson told the Board that the Social Club could make money if managed properly. They were snubbed by Boddy, and by Hampson, yet when the useless Prescott was finally removed, the Social Club was refurbished and now turning a profit! And have you heard any self-righteous voices from Derek or Rich saying "that was my idea!!"? No! In answer to the question you pose here, do you know how to "form a football club" ? Do you know how long it takes? who you have to satisfy that you can be a viable proposition? Do you know how you can create a club that doesn't have to start at Sunday League level? Do you know how to find a suitable ground? Do you know which is the best way to incorporate a company so that it is appealling to both supporters (in terms of a degree of ownership) and investors (in terms of risk)? And lastly do you know how long it takes to do all of these? Luckily, a group of hard working individuals, with no ulterior motives, no financial gain, no side deals with developers, spent a number of months asking these kinds of questions, and coming up with a number of solutions. Unfortunately, they are now being pilloried by "football watchers", people who claim to want some kind of voice just because they've been to hundreds of football grounds to watch WCFC. The sad point of all this is that they could have had one hell of a voice if one of the plans could have come to fruitition - think AFC Wimbledon!! So go ahead, ask the questions to satisfy yourself of the motives of SHAG, you won't find anything other than a love of local non-league football and an ambition to create a financially sound business model. |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2009 11:48:58 GMT
So someone tries something which doesn't work out and that makes them a villain? Perhaps they should have just done f*c k all and watched the ship sink? I can't be arsed with this anymore. Or were they happy to kill off another football club; call it, say, AFC Worcester while continuing to promote the demise of the current WCFC? "continue to promote the demise of the current WCFC" Jeez you are so stupid it beggars belief! The demise of WCFC will happen whether its promoted or not. Read the accounts, do the maths, read what Hallmark says!! its really very very simple. |
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Post by Tony is not to despondent now. on May 25, 2009 7:44:56 GMT
Well Jem, I don't always agree with you.
But on this occasion I whole heartedly agree with your analysis of the situation.
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