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Jan 21, 2009 9:49:43 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2009 9:49:43 GMT
I'm starting this thread so as not to muddle it with the Newport one. But Salmon's post prompted me to post.:
"Can anyone tell me why the likes of Tony Partridge who has resigned is still taking his seat in the directors box? .... Boddy sits in the chairman's seat ... many men who sat around me said they won't be renewing their season tickets while these men are still about. I'm sorry but i'm waiting for our New Chairman to sort the old guard out, until then i and many others can't have any confidence in the future. I know the other two are suppose to step down at the end of the month but why the hell are they hanging on?."
I've held back commenting for a while, partly to see what, if anything would change. My problem is that after 50 years of supporting the club I feel completely detached from WCFC. I didn't even check the Newport result until midday on Tuesday. In the past I would have logged in numerous times during the game. If someone like me has lost the spirit then what chance have we that the casual supporter will ever return?
I've supported them through thick and thin, I've watched worse squads than the present one, I've endured inept boards in the past, so why am I now overwhelmed by apathy?
And I'm obviously not alone - this message board used to be a vibrant centre of debate and discussion between dedicated fans. No longer.
I think the rot really set in at the farce of the AGM. A dodgy vote which resulted in the blocking of any new blood other than acceptable cronies (except Colin who now seems excluded from many meetings) and then the resignation of two of these pals within days sealed the motives of the old guard.
This was a chance to open the club up and reconcile differences. Rather I felt like the gates had been slammed in our faces and I realised that instead of being a supporter I am, in fact, an outsider.
The board have driven this club deep into debt (and don't tell me it was the credit crunch, it happened during the boom years). They're planning to move to a two-sided ground incapable of secondary income sources - a move which will still leave us in debt and minus SGL!!!!
They've insulted and ignored long-serving volunteers on a regular basis.
They've turned an historic club into a toxic asset.
Their only solution is to borrow more money - from a bank which is in serious trouble itself.
And yet Boddy, Hallmark and co are still at the helm. Steering us towards oblivion.
In recent weeks I have done a couple of small things for the club to try and help. But while the old guard remain I can't see my enthusiasm returning. As Salmon pointed out, I'm not alone. I don't suppose Hallmark and co. care. I'm not sure the future of WCFC is of the slightest interest to them.
However, if they stay in charge the club is doomed.
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Jan 21, 2009 10:08:46 GMT
Post by sleepinggiant on Jan 21, 2009 10:08:46 GMT
I too feel the same. I was most surprised to still see Jon Prescott working behind the bar in the (much improved) social club as well.
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Jan 21, 2009 11:45:17 GMT
Post by gobby cow on Jan 21, 2009 11:45:17 GMT
That is why I am still boycotting. There is no future at SGL until they no longer have the ability to help themselves to the little money there is.
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Jan 21, 2009 12:58:25 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2009 12:58:25 GMT
The club is dead, its soul has long departed. There are probably less than 100 people who really care about this particular club out of a population of Worcester of 90,000, and a wider population of possibly 120,000 total. Most people associate WCFC with negatives, like no money, no success, dodgy Directors, ground falling apart, etc. however thats only the people who actually know WCFC exists. I'd love for someone to do a survey of Warndon Villages, and find out how many residents even know there is a semi-professional football club in the City, let alone where the ground is!! I know its been mentioned before, but how many of the students coming into Worcester are aware that WCFC exists? Ask either group about the Rugby Club, and where Sixways is??? No Problem.
As Ealing rightly says, even this mesage board is dying due to lack of interest. Few posts being made, hardly any discussion regarding football. And it seems to have gone unnoticed that one of those horrible SHAG people has underwritten the cost of travel for the rest of the season! Its a damn good job he didn't do what Boddy wanted and just "fade away"
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Jan 21, 2009 13:09:02 GMT
Post by cogg on Jan 21, 2009 13:09:02 GMT
Once again, as so many times over the past few years, I can't disagree with anything Andy writes....
I doN't think WCFC will regain any of its soul until after administration kicks in. I can't see any other future now.
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Jan 21, 2009 13:19:21 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2009 13:19:21 GMT
you naysayer you!! Listen up you fools trying to run the club by putting sticking plaster over the gaping wounds! People like Cogg and Ealing were your lifeblood, they're gone now. What are you doing about it?? Or does it really matter? what do people like Ealing and Cogg offer to the Nunnery Way master plan. Honeymoon period over Hampson, and little sign of any change.
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Jan 21, 2009 14:53:57 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2009 14:53:57 GMT
O.K. now I've started I'll spit all my thoughts out. Hampson was appointed by the board, he wasn't elected he was in place prior to the agm. He's a nice enough guy - but why would he suddenly be made head boy when he has no previous involvement in the club - or indeed football? At the height of the biggest crisis in the club's history someone with experience like Barry Ward is rejected and Mr Hampson is appointed? That makes a lot of sense. I suspect he's been given the job of keeping the wheels turning just long enough to allow the land deals to go through and large amounts of money to change hands. Give the job to Mr Amiable and maybe the suckers won't notice what's going on. I wonder if he himself knew this when he took the reigns? I wonder if he's realised it yet. It stinks.
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Jan 21, 2009 15:31:57 GMT
Post by greenman on Jan 21, 2009 15:31:57 GMT
Reading the article in today's Worcester News I quote ' there is no room at the club for those wanting to stand in the way of progress' Should this read, no room at the club who would question decisions being made by the previous and present board?
It then goes on to state talks have been held with the key financial partners, the bank, Carey's and St Modwen who have agreed to to support the club through its present situation. For this read further borrowing has been agreed.
Will the new chairman now issue a revised Key Financial Iinformation sheet as an addendum to the recent pre AGM sheet explaining how the Board still plan to deliver the new stadium.
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Jan 21, 2009 16:55:55 GMT
Post by almasno9 on Jan 21, 2009 16:55:55 GMT
I'm glad I'm not the only one having these thoughts. At the meeting after the Bognor match Mr Hampson was very vitriolic about Hallmark who was away on holiday and had not made any contact with the chairman during that period. Now that Hallmark is back Mr Hampson is as quiet as a church mouse. Proof of who is still pulling the strings at the Lane in my opinion.
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Jan 21, 2009 16:58:55 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2009 16:58:55 GMT
New faces, but exactly the same message.
I gave Anthony Hampson the benefit of any doubt, and was impressed when he walked through the doors, and the way he spoke of the disappointing way the previous Directors had acted, and that he wanted them out (its all on tape isn't it) Yet, its not happening, and it won't happen.
More borrowing to be paid off by the Nunnery Way scheme.
I echo what greenman says, lets see the revised Key Financial Information sheet showing how Nunnery way will now be delivered!
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Jan 21, 2009 17:00:45 GMT
Post by salmon on Jan 21, 2009 17:00:45 GMT
Jon Prescott working?, behind the Bar, after being made redundant, perhaps he's our new I.D.I.F.F Well i can see folks flooding in to the new revamped Anti-social club now then to be greeted with open arms from the larger than life barman. Get a good looking lady to replace him and lets see the punters flock in.(Sorry to be a bit sexist ladies) but you'll see my point.
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Jan 21, 2009 17:02:37 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2009 17:02:37 GMT
I'm glad I'm not the only one having these thoughts. At the meeting after the Bognor match Mr Hampson was very vitriolic about Hallmark who was away on holiday and had not made any contact with the chairman during that period. Now that Hallmark is back Mr Hampson is as quiet as a church mouse. Proof of who is still pulling the strings at the Lane in my opinion. I think the supporters have been very fair, and given Mr Hampson every opportunity to prove that this really is a "new beginning" Unfortunately, its the same old same old. Its easy to be vitriolic about people when they're not around, he's been just as vitriolic about Boddy too. Yet he's still there too. Nothing but words, a lick of paint in the Social Club, and carry on as before with the Nunnery Way debt scheme.
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Jan 21, 2009 17:38:12 GMT
Post by niels on Jan 21, 2009 17:38:12 GMT
Many have agreed to support until Jan 31st and then review the situation. I'm still taking this stance but I have to admit that I have many reservations in doing so. And like Greenman I'm not sure how to interprete the club statement.
However if Brown and Prescott are still on the board after that time then it's war, and Boddy might as well go then as well because we'll be coming after him. If they think that they can bring our club to it's knees and then still hold a position of power then they are living in cloud cukoo land.
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Jan 21, 2009 17:49:37 GMT
Post by cogg on Jan 21, 2009 17:49:37 GMT
I never believed in Hampson. If this IS really all about large amounts of cash for a few, why would they give it all up now.
I am up for a fight and happy to stand alongside Jem, Wayne, Rich W, Niels, Andy and all the other 'trouble makers' I got to know and like a few years ago...
THose that say ' If you don't support me, leave' are usually those who either never will listen to other opinions or have something to hide...and I know I am right in this
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Jan 21, 2009 17:55:05 GMT
Post by rushwickdon on Jan 21, 2009 17:55:05 GMT
Sadly it appears that, after pulling in at a petrol station for more fuel, the club has not reset the satnav, and is still heading towards oblivion.
January 31 is ten days away. Count them. Ten. Two hundred and forty hours to show everyone how much is changing within WCFC. And what has happened?? The lick of paint at the social club, supporter led.......and the quiz night this Friday in the HKL, supporter (Rich Widdowson) led.
All these superb platitudes from the admirable Mr Hampson, who it seems was shoehorned in by DB...."we want to listen to the supporters"......"we will certainly consider that idea"......are counting for nothing when long term supporters are throwing in the towel.
The clock continues to tick. And what is that that I hear from the privileged directors?? Silence
And the clock ticks remorselessly on........
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Jan 21, 2009 18:05:08 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2009 18:05:08 GMT
... and what's happened re the rejected accounts?
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Jan 21, 2009 18:41:14 GMT
Post by suv on Jan 21, 2009 18:41:14 GMT
I attended a meeting a fortnight ago when all the comments in this thread were discussed and the same conclusions drawn. In a year since the initial re-launch of WCFCST (Feb 2008) nothing has changed. It's the same old-same old. The old guard need to be removed. Non existent communication. The club debt getting bigger. Mid-Table mediocrity. Falling attendences, lots of talk and no action from the Board. Elected supporters not welcome in the Boardroom.
Social Club paint-job by supporters, Quiz night, Big Match, "Kick it out day" etc all Trust led. Who will be organising the other recently publicised events, Sportsmans Dinner, Race Night etc? probably not the Board.
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Jan 21, 2009 18:48:56 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2009 18:48:56 GMT
The answer then is simple SUV. It's the Supporters Trust money, NOT the football club. Do what other Supporters Trusts have done, don't give a penny to the football club, use it for the benefit of Supporters by investing in more events, build up a large balance, then either approach the Directors with terms, which should involve large value share purchase, or approach the bank to buy the debenture!! Nothing will be solved unless the Supporters Trust are running the football club, and if that means reforming a la Wimbledon, then so be it.
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Jan 21, 2009 18:53:00 GMT
Post by wh on Jan 21, 2009 18:53:00 GMT
... and what's happened re the rejected accounts? I have been wondering about that one my self, is this yet more proof that our AGM's aren't worth a jot to the running of the club!
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Jan 21, 2009 19:00:35 GMT
Post by Tim Munslow on Jan 21, 2009 19:00:35 GMT
What a miserable lot you all are; I think I'll stop reading the message board. You are just a load of grumpy old men (and one woman).
You wouldn't know anything positive if it hit you in the face.
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Jan 21, 2009 19:04:21 GMT
Post by wh on Jan 21, 2009 19:04:21 GMT
What really worries me is the lack of new postings on this MB, it really isn't worth looking at now and it reflects the mood of the fans to the club...
I was talking to young Mazey the other day and I was sad to hear he hasn't been down the lane for weeks now!
I fear the damage has already been done to the club and with so many loyal fans turning away its only going to head one way.
Also now that Dave Little is financing the coach, does that mean that the £50 restriction has been lifted? Does anyone know how many directors were on there on Saturday?
The way things are going we should have fans forum after every home game at the moment so the chairman can keep everyone up to speed.
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Jan 21, 2009 19:12:19 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2009 19:12:19 GMT
"You wouldn't know anything positive if it hit you in the face." Like what? Please inform us of the positives that the board have instigated.
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Jan 21, 2009 19:17:35 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2009 19:17:35 GMT
I see, if you challenge something you believe not to be right, then you're negative??
The present board are safe in the knowledge that they can rely on apathetic people like you Tim to do their bidding for them.
Cogg, Ealing, niels?? These aren't negative people, these are supporters, these people are any clubs lifeblood, these are the kind of guys who give the extra yard every time. niels is one of the most positive, balanced, and rational football supporter that anyone could meet.
Damn right we're grumpy, we're losing our club, actually we've lost our club. Keep your eyes shut Tim, don't read about it, and maybe it will all go away.
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Jan 21, 2009 19:20:58 GMT
Post by suv on Jan 21, 2009 19:20:58 GMT
The answer then is simple SUV. It's the Supporters Trust money, NOT the football club. Do what other Supporters Trusts have done, don't give a penny to the football club, use it for the benefit of Supporters by investing in more events, build up a large balance, then either approach the Directors with terms, which should involve large value share purchase, or approach the bank to buy the debenture!! Nothing will be solved unless the Supporters Trust are running the football club, and if that means reforming a la Wimbledon, then so be it. To my knowledge the only money received by WCFC from the supporters Trust was the £300 for kit sponsorship of RD & CH and that was mainly used to "shame" the Board into action as at that time there was no kit sponsorship as none of them (the Board) would organise the scheme after Paul Curtis resigned. I'm guessing that any monies raised by the Trust in the coming months won't be going to WCFC funds either, as you rightly state, use it for the Trust's/Supporters benefit. 3 months ago I would of hoped that the Trust would be buying shares up to the £3,000 limit, but ,having witnessed how pointless owning shares was at the recent AGM then perhaps any money raised by the Trust could be put to better use elsewhere.
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Jan 21, 2009 19:26:01 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2009 19:26:01 GMT
What really worries me is the lack of new postings on this MB, it really isn't worth looking at now and it reflects the mood of the fans to the club... I was talking to young Mazey the other day and I was sad to hear he hasn't been down the lane for weeks now! I fear the damage has already been done to the club and with so many loyal fans turning away its only going to head one way. Also now that Dave Little is financing the coach, does that mean that the £50 restriction has been lifted? Does anyone know how many directors were on there on Saturday? The way things are going we should have fans forum after every home game at the moment so the chairman can keep everyone up to speed. Remember when a match against Newport used to be one of the most eagerly awaited games of the season? This one passed by almost unnoticed. Oh well, I guess there's no point in me getting back in touch with Booker T Jones about the possibilities of a live Time is Tight at SGL in the near future. I wouldn't want Tim Munslow's view of my negativity to be tarnished.
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Jan 21, 2009 19:29:20 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2009 19:29:20 GMT
The answer then is simple SUV. It's the Supporters Trust money, NOT the football club. Do what other Supporters Trusts have done, don't give a penny to the football club, use it for the benefit of Supporters by investing in more events, build up a large balance, then either approach the Directors with terms, which should involve large value share purchase, or approach the bank to buy the debenture!! Nothing will be solved unless the Supporters Trust are running the football club, and if that means reforming a la Wimbledon, then so be it. To my knowledge the only money received by WCFC from the supporters Trust was the £300 for kit sponsorship of RD & CH and that was mainly used to "shame" the Board into action as at that time there was no kit sponsorship as none of them (the Board) would organise the scheme after Paul Curtis resigned. I'm guessing that any monies raised by the Trust in the coming months won't be going to WCFC funds either, as you rightly state, use it for the Trust's/Supporters benefit. 3 months ago I would of hoped that the Trust would be buying shares up to the £3,000 limit, but ,having witnessed how pointless owning shares was at the recent AGM then perhaps any money raised by the Trust could be put to better use elsewhere. Agreed, the ST should buy a large volume of shares after a constitutional change only. Until then, its Supporters money, maybe use it in conjunction with e Calvalier to hold events, to provide alternative match day refreshments etc. I get the feeling that certain Directors seem to think that money raised from the quiz evening will be going to the football club!!
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Jan 21, 2009 20:13:12 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2009 20:13:12 GMT
"niels is one of the most positive, balanced, and rational football supporter that anyone could meet." A dangerous comment to put in writing Jem!
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Jan 21, 2009 20:14:01 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2009 20:14:01 GMT
"Agreed, the ST should buy a large volume of shares after a constitutional change only. Until then, its Supporters money, maybe use it in conjunction with the Calvalier" - or better still, buy shares in the Cavalier!
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Jan 21, 2009 20:57:49 GMT
Post by DazaB on Jan 21, 2009 20:57:49 GMT
Maybe we should use it to take over the Cavalier - Cath and Ron are leaving soon
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Jan 21, 2009 21:04:04 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2009 21:04:04 GMT
"niels is one of the most positive, balanced, and rational football supporter that anyone could meet." A dangerous comment to put in writing Jem! You want to know how much it hurt writing that??? Its true though.
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