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Post by creaner on Dec 19, 2008 19:04:05 GMT
Maybe sooner than we think. Have a listen to AH interview with H&W. Talk about putting it how it is... news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_conf/7792118.stmSome straight talking like this before now might have prevented the situation being this serious. I don't normally get angry but I am now. Please turn up to the game to support RD & the team. Try and make the meeting after, there may be some pertinent questions and forthright answers. How did it come to this? Good grief. C'mon the City
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Post by LeedsWCFC on Dec 19, 2008 19:19:29 GMT
Everyone, please follow the link posted by Creaner and listen to what Anthony Hampson has to say. It is extremely worrying. The players have already agreed to a pay cut and now there are questions as to whether they can be paid at all. Forget all the arguing for the duration of tomorrow's match and get yourselves to Saint George's Lane to give the team your full backing. All of you. Bring some spare cash too as there might be a need for a bucket collection to make sure we've got a team to play against Newport County.
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Post by greenman on Dec 19, 2008 19:26:09 GMT
And I sincerely hope that the Director/Steward of the Social Club wont be asking for any compensation when he loses his job after being reponsible for the writing off £40000 of losses in the last financial year.
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Post by wh on Dec 19, 2008 19:51:39 GMT
Isn't what Anthony said in essence what SAG have been predicting since July?
Boddy, Partridge, Brown & Prescott you are a bunch of scum bags! hang your heads in shame for your actions that have driven the club to this point. I hope they bring their check books tomorrow and give a sizable wedge to the club.
I would suggest they are best advised to stay away from the game tomorrow.
and on another point I wonder what smug Keith Gooden made of the chairmans revelations to him after he dissed Derek Jones a few weeks ago for suggesting all was still not rosy in the wcfc garden.
Sorry Im not in a positive mood after listening to that.
What total W@nkers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anthony knows he and the new faces have my full support I wont be giving up without a fight.
Where is camper!!!!!!
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Post by wakefield on Dec 19, 2008 19:56:30 GMT
Well well well..........it's all out now
What a complete and utter shambles...
I agree Wayne, DB and the rest of 'em would be well advised to stay away.
A truly shameful fraud.
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Post by endlessnameless on Dec 19, 2008 20:15:09 GMT
I will be attending tomorrow now, to support RD and the team. Let's hope I don't bump into any of the "fantastic four" else I may not be as charitable as some.
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Post by gobby cow on Dec 19, 2008 20:33:07 GMT
At last the truth is out and the old guard are exposed. I did feel for Hampson, I can imagine how frustrating it must be for him have to deal with such shonky people.
I hope LB, JP, DB, BL and TP are very proud of themselves. They were given the chance to bring in new blood to turn the club around and they schemed and plotted to stop anyone coming in - to cover their incompetence maybe???
If the club goes under it is purely and simply down to them.
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Post by bullseyedave on Dec 19, 2008 20:54:50 GMT
First I would like to comment on how well AH spoke in that interview, honest, concise and to the point on the prospect of City’s future which I am sure, is a difficult subject for him to speak about due to other board members’ incompetence.
I shall be there tomorrow as usual, and as a season ticket holder shall donate £11 as stuntfairy has suggested in another thread if there is a collection, or if not ensure AH receives it. The last sentence in the interview sums it up for me, how good City’s future can be with people like AH at the helm but, how very difficult it could be to get there. What is left of December and January is make or break for City with 5 homes games. If we can get as big a crowds as possible for these games combined with the generosity of supporters with collections/donations etc., and the promised departures of board members then surviving till the end of the season may be a possibility. But that looks, as I am sure it does to many others, a very long way away currently.
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Post by jimbo on Dec 19, 2008 21:21:48 GMT
I'll be helping in the HK lounge before the match & will obviously pay my £11 entrance. I did ask RW how he thought the best way to pay would be to "make a point" & he suggested giving the money directly to AH. On reflection I have an idea the Trust may like to think about. Have a collection for people like myself held near the players tunnel at a time when most of them can see what support they have, hopefully seeing our passion & money this will give them a great boost !! Come on Gobby, surely even you would visit the lane to prove to the players that we are right behind them.
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Post by creaner on Dec 19, 2008 21:30:05 GMT
Just to remind certain Directors of the course they should be taking- better late than never- I shall be digging out my RED CARD from the last time their arrogance reared its ugly face. I strongly urge everyone to turn up tomorrow to show solidarity with AH RD and the team and to show our extreme displeasure and anger at those individuals who have aided and abetted our possible demise.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2008 22:06:45 GMT
Can people see now that SAG weren't the troublemakers that Boddy was trying to paint them. Finally saying he hoped they'd now just fade away!!!
How right SAG were when they said that everything has to be opened up, however nasty the mess was. I remember reading out part of the independent report (the same report rubbished by Mr "I only deal in facts" Boddy) which read "no proper financial information, no budgets, no forecasts etc. - bank have no confidence in boards ability to run the business..." and ......WCFC meander on in the hope that things will sort themselves out......easiest route, no hard decisions......clubs legacy in hock to keep club going, future out of clubs control while we hope that somehow the numbers will add up..."
Okay Mr Boddy, which parts of that aren't fact???
The only ray of hope we have is Anthony Hampson - he's done more in the time he's been with the club than the likes of Prescott has done in the last 5 years at least!!
But where are the rest of the "Board to Deliver the Plan" Panter, Hallmark, Slade, Stokes- Smith, what are you doing now???
Creaner, I seriously think you need to get onto Tom Hall for two reasons, firstly the Trust might need to get into negotation with the bank very shortly, and secondly, they may well be legal issues to consider here concerning past activities.
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Post by wh on Dec 19, 2008 22:21:58 GMT
I have to step in and defend Jim Panter. Rich Widd' and I spent the best part of a hour and half with him on Tuesday night in which it was very clear that the attitude and effort demonstrated by Anthony is at least matched by Jim Panter.
He and AH are working flat out behind the scenes to sort out many issues, including the social club, complimentary tickets and the rouge element on the board, they are very much a team.
There was a real determination in their voices to suggest the days of the old guard are well and truly numbered, I just hope we get the chance to see the scum depart.
If this all ends now I would say thank you to both AH & Jim P for at least trying to sort the mess out.
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Post by prestonwcfc on Dec 19, 2008 22:25:41 GMT
I too seriously hope the previous management do not show their faces tomorrow and then offer their written resignations on Monday inc Dave Boddy. I also urge all supporters to give that little bit more for the next few home games be it buying a programme, having a pint in the ground, adding to their 200 club subscriptions or giving more at the gate
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Post by creaner on Dec 19, 2008 22:26:35 GMT
Can people see now that SAG weren't the troublemakers that Boddy was trying to paint them. Finally saying he hoped they'd now just fade away!!! How right SAG were when they said that everything has to be opened up, however nasty the mess was. I remember reading out part of the independent report (the same report rubbished by Mr "I only deal in facts" Boddy) which read "no proper financial information, no budgets, no forecasts etc. - bank have no confidence in boards ability to run the business..." and ......WCFC meander on in the hope that things will sort themselves out......easiest route, no hard decisions......clubs legacy in hock to keep club going, future out of clubs control while we hope that somehow the numbers will add up..." Okay Mr Boddy, which parts of that aren't fact??? The only ray of hope we have is Anthony Hampson - he's done more in the time he's been with the club than the likes of Prescott has done in the last 5 years at least!! But where are the rest of the "Board to Deliver the Plan" Panter, Hallmark, Slade, Stokes- Smith, what are you doing now??? Creaner, I seriously think you need to get onto Tom Hall for two reasons, firstly the Trust might need to get into negotation with the bank very shortly, and secondly, they may well be legal issues to consider here concerning past activities. Jem, SD have been kept appraised of the goings on. As always their full support is available to WCFC Trust and the supporters.
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Post by jupu on Dec 19, 2008 22:49:15 GMT
I sincerely hope that the contributors to the MB who have previously announced they will be boycotting SGL will put in an appearance tomorrow. You'll be responsible for our players' wages, you'll be doing your bit to keep the club alive, and you'll have the chance to quiz the chairman after the game. He appears to have told it like it is. Surely our energies now should be channelled into ensuring our survival, even if it's on a week by week basis.
Looking ahead, we've got a home game on New Year's Day. We can only hope that the weather doesn't intervene. There's an old saying - "Bring a mate and double the gate." But it's as relevant now as ever. If we put our minds to it, I'm sure we could all think of somebody else to bring with us to the Newport game.
Looking ahead into January, I've already mentioned that it's the 50th anniversary of the Liverpool game. I will put to Anthony that we need to mark the occasion in some way, but whatever we do will have to be at little or no extra cost. I think the game to focus on as the "anniversary" will be Havant & Waterlooville on 24 January. I have a few ideas of my own as to what could be done but I'd appreciate your thoughts. Obviously you can post here but if you want to talk through any ideas with me then find me out at the game tomorrow. Or PM me, or email me - jupugh@tiscali.co.uk
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Post by wh on Dec 19, 2008 23:23:59 GMT
In the interview AH says "The complacency of the management I am seeking to replace is that they have sought refuge from the bank purely because they have had a substantial asset to back it," Hampson continued.
"The bank are now saying 'we will not go any further - we need prudent and sustainable management', and this is what I am hoping to deliver."
The truth of the matter is that the bank have been saying that they would not put anymore money in since September!
That is when the £200k loan from St Mod's was rumoured by the then chairman to be on the cards (which it wasn't! and never has been)
Boddy and co were told back then that the bank would be starting winding up procedures which is why some of us have been so outraged at the smoke and mirrors.
How on earth did these fools think that by fixing a win at the agm they would secure the clubs future?
The fools themselves are the very reason no one will get involved.
Mr Hampson sums it up perfectly "The complacency of the management I am seeking to replace is that they have sought refuge from the bank purely because they have had a substantial asset to back it,"
This approach is still in evidence now, Just last week Boddy was telling people that the playing budget will be unchanged for the remainder of this season and next.
I really hope he is there tomorrow, I am looking forward to wishing him a happy christmas. I want to hear what the chairman has to say after the game but even more than that I want to hear what Boddy has to say!!! he and the other 3 idiots need to be at the hkl to answer questions.
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Post by gazwcfc on Dec 20, 2008 0:35:57 GMT
I am unable to attend tomorrows game but have posted my entry money through the letter box at the lane, these are very worrying times indeed
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2008 10:49:17 GMT
You'll be responsible for our players' wages, Sorry fella, but that kind of emotive threat is exactly what the Board have been using for a number of years. No! I'm not responsible for our players wages, the business is, and if you can't seperate personal responsibilities from corporate responsibilities, you shouldn't be trading. It is the Board of Directors, the employer, who has the responsibilities, so don't come that emotive crap to try and get people to a football match. I'm off to Woolworths and MFI as I'm obviously also responsible for the wages of their employees too!! Here's a thought - why don't the highly commited Board of Directors provide a financial guarantee in the form of a loan to the business to cover wages until the end of 2009? This is what most business owners would look to do. Whilst I'm at it, and if I am supposedly responsible for the employee wage structure, what idiots offered Richard Dryden an 18 month contract?? Did they learn nothing from the £20k mistake they made with Andy Preece. I'm not saying Richard or any other manager doesn't deserve the contract at all, far from it - he's worth every penny of what he gets paid, but financially, can the club really offer that kind of long term deal ?
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Post by greenman on Dec 20, 2008 11:17:25 GMT
The same board of directors and proposed directors who stood before an audience in the HKL days before the AGM and assured us that Celia Adams had the figures wrong, from recollection the words uttered were 'we are only £8000 o/d for the financial year to date'.
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Post by jupu on Dec 21, 2008 21:06:21 GMT
Jeremy - you accuse me of writing emotive crap. Why so abusive when I was trying to make some sensible points?
Anthony Hampson said: "The players' wages this week will be coming from the gate receipts."
Which is what I said in my post.
Was he talking emotive crap too?
What was your motivation for attending the game if not to respond to his request for support?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2008 21:25:56 GMT
Sorry but you're wrong, the fact that the players wages will be coming from this weeks wages, next weeks wages, or the proceeds of a bring and buy sale on Pitchcroft are NOT my concern, I am NOT responsible for the mismanagement of funds by officers of the business. I'm not going on any kind of guilt trip and going to football matches just to make sure I cover up for the mistakes of others. What was my motivation for attending the game? Simple, a set of emails between myself and Anthony, long before the present financial plight was publicised. And yes he was talking emotive crap if he was saying "come along and support to make sure the players get paid", after all the notion that we turn up, make sure the players get paid, and do the same thing week after week is just stupid, and papering over ther cracks. However, what I believe he was saying was more along the lines of "the cash has run dry to the point that immediate commitments can't be kept, the players wages only being one of them (and probably not the most important of them either - at many clubs players are going weeks without pay!) Fact - The club needs £80,000 pretty much immediately to stay solvent and to keep trading, administration is looking the most likely way to ensure trading can continue, we may well be another club under the ownership of Begbie Traynors next week. I think people better wake up and realise that unless they can provide £1000 per game each, then this is beyond the realms of just turning up and supporting the football club. If supporters want to do something positive now, then forget turning up to matches, and start thinking about a package to either a) offer to the administrator or b) buy the banks debenture.
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Post by jupu on Dec 21, 2008 21:51:30 GMT
So what was I wrong about?
We can all interpret words whichever way we want, the chairman's statement seemed clear enough to me.
Can you tell us what was in those emails that persuaded you to come down?
Of course we won't find £80,000 in the short term by just coming down to watch games.
But AH did make the point on Saturday that we have four home games in January which will be important revenue streams if we survive Monday's meeting.
Anyone else out there going to follow Jeremy's advice and forget turning up to matches from now onwards?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2008 10:37:53 GMT
Can you tell us what was in those emails that persuaded you to come down? Yeah sure, whilst I'm disclosing the contents of personal emails, would you also like my bank details??
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Post by gobby cow on Dec 22, 2008 10:57:05 GMT
You do realise that if city had a crowd of 7273 (all paying to get in!) they could raise £80,000.
I think berating people who realise you cant stop a sinking ship with a fish finger is a bit silly. Jem has been banging on about this for years, and been villified for that. He was right all along.
If the cretinous old guard had been man enough to have an egm in the beginning and play fair, we might never have got to this stage.
There are loads of firms out there desperate for funding, supporters losing their livelihoods, are you going to have a collection for them?
I think people need to accept that unless someone has £80k in their back pocket the club is going into administration. I am just glad we have a chairman now who actually is honest, and is trying to save the club, rather than one who seemed more interested in dying his hair!
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Post by gobby cow on Dec 22, 2008 11:01:07 GMT
I am a bit confused why there are financial anomolies when there was a certified accountant on the board, and a chartered accountant paid as an adviser.
Even my dog can work out if he has one biscuit, if he eats it it is gone!
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Post by gobby cow on Dec 22, 2008 11:01:44 GMT
Of course I forgot Laurie was probably too busy monitoring the message board to get his abacus out!
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Post by Tony is not to despondent now. on Dec 23, 2008 8:31:40 GMT
The whole point is that the Club is deep 'Do Do'. And we as supporters have to find the wherewithall to help out. Be it attending the home matches GC or otherwise we must help.
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Post by BDS on Jan 2, 2009 20:41:40 GMT
I am a bit confused why there are financial anomolies when there was a certified accountant on the board, and a chartered accountant paid as an adviser. Even my dog can work out if he has one biscuit, if he eats it it is gone! Did you check the Chartered Institute of Certified Accountants website? He does not appear as a member of that august professional body. Perhaps he would care to enlighten us all as to which accountancy qualification he does hold?
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Post by BDS on Jan 2, 2009 20:43:23 GMT
At last the truth is out and the old guard are exposed. I did feel for Hampson, I can imagine how frustrating it must be for him have to deal with such shonky people. I hope LB, JP, DB, BL and TP are very proud of themselves. They were given the chance to bring in new blood to turn the club around and they schemed and plotted to stop anyone coming in - to cover their incompetence maybe??? If the club goes under it is purely and simply down to them. All the Directors will be held personally liable.
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Post by cogg on Jan 2, 2009 23:50:48 GMT
I think you will find it is the Association of Chartered Certified Accountants ( ACCA)
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