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Post by Bstander on Dec 15, 2008 11:25:56 GMT
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Post by georgethebassett on Dec 15, 2008 11:34:28 GMT
A man under no illusions and without his head buried in the sand.
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Post by Croc on Dec 15, 2008 11:42:23 GMT
Was speaking to a normally very reliable source about this earlier on.
Apparently it won't be good news at all - in fact it could be worst case scenario
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Post by birdfeeder on Dec 15, 2008 12:15:16 GMT
Was speaking to a normally very reliable source about this earlier on. Apparently it won't be good news at all - in fact it could be worst case scenario That is why the club needs all the help and support it can get and that means all the stay away fans getting down the lane and showing that they are true supporters of the club. Forget what has been happening in the past, we can sort it with your help, and to those of you who said that you will not go down the lane again until the old guard have gone it might be too late then. We need you NOW, and do not worry they will be gone by the end of January. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2008 12:52:11 GMT
I agree with Colin, however, just going to a football match is not enough. I think Anthony needs pledges of cash and fund raising efforts NOW. I'll be making a pledge, others need to too.
The club has survived two months longer than my cashflow forecasts suggested, but I think that is only because the previous lot havent given the bank any financial information for about 6 months!!
I'm sorry but forgetting the last 5 years of mismanagement is going to take some doing, idiots like Boddy and Prescott still believe they've done nothing wrong, and have always acted in the best interests of the club!
I'll be there against Bognor, and I have a suggestion - why doesnt everybody, or at least as many as possible go into the Social Club before the game, half time and after the game, just to make Prescott work for one day in his tenure before he goes! You don't have to spend much, just a packet of crisps etc.
As Niels once said at a meeting "We, the supporters, hold the power" and this is proving to be true. And the good news is that despite my concerns about Anthony, he's got an honourable head on his shoulders, and respects the fact that its not his club, but ours!
This'll make you laugh, I was chatting to my brother yesterday, and he told me that Boddy said to him at St. Albans "We've lost a potentially good director in Simon Williams!!!" There's none so blind as those who cannot see!!
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Post by wh on Dec 15, 2008 13:05:40 GMT
"We've lost a potentially good director in Simon Williams!!!" There's none so blind as those who cannot see!! As they say Jem, birds of a feather flock together. As for Colin's comments..spot on!! I will be there, AH needs our backing if he is to effect the change that is needed. Fingers crossed the old official website could be back in action soon as well. Lets put our differences aside and ensure we have a club to support, then get to the bottom of the causes for the situation. |
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Post by greenman on Dec 15, 2008 13:20:32 GMT
So leading from the front, lets see the new Directors having the maximum number of shares for a starters. Please do not ask me to support a share appeal when you have a Director there with a piddling £250 worth and suggesting taking money out of the club.
Lets see Directors who are taking salaries and commissions out maybe as a gesture to help save the club reduce their takings as has happened in other companies when the axe is about to fall.
Lets see all the freebies stopped this Saturday.
Lets have a tuck shop and all the profit from the sale of choc bars go to the club.
Lets have volunteers man the bar and save on staff wages.
Lets have all Directors pay an entrance fee
And lets hope Boddy and Hallmark exit stage left with the other three on or before 31st January 2009 and herald a new dawn for this club.
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Post by dave on Dec 15, 2008 13:22:46 GMT
I am glad to hear that people are feeling positive enough about Anthony Hampson to put aside past problems in the short term in order to try and save the Club. All this working together, particularly at this time of year, is heart-warming stuff.
I am not sure yet if I can make it on Saturday as I had made other plans some time ago, but if I can be there I will be, and I will even buy me a can of fizzy pop in the Legend's Bar.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2008 13:45:47 GMT
Greenman is right, lets see Directors pledge the maximum share commitment. That kind of move, more than any other, would tell me that these guys really do care. When I suggested financial input from the Directors at the Supporters Trust meeting, IDIFF woke from his slumbers, got negative on us all, and finally quit the meeting - at least we knew where his commitment lay, and it wasn't with WCFC!
Yes, lets see an end to freebies, except for kids.
What pleases me is that Anthony isn't even thinking about the "dream" of Nunnery Way at this time, finally a Chairman who is prepared to deal with the here and now. There has to be a plan to safeguard our future at SGL before even thinking about any kind of ground move. Unfotunately that plan might end up involving dropping down the Pyramid a bit, and some severe negotiation with the bank, although I would prefer to see Anthony leading that negotiation than the previous incumbent.
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Post by gobby cow on Dec 15, 2008 14:11:32 GMT
Well obviously things are as bad as we thought, that is why I think it is even more despicable of the old guard to do what they did at the AGM.
I cannot in all honesty sanction putting any of my hard earned money into that club, even if it is on the brink of administration. The board should take full responsibility for their actions. They have drained it dry of funds with their greed. How do you know that money is actually going to help the club and not provide the directors with yet another free entry, post match meal and several rounds of drinks???
When I see them making some serious sacrifices and putting money into the club rather than taking it out, I might change my mind.
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Post by gobby cow on Dec 15, 2008 14:16:50 GMT
And before Dimbo starts whinging I am negative, I do think AH is a breath of fresh air at the club and it a damn shame he didnt get involved before the gang of 5 ballsed it all up so completely
Why worry about a pie in the sky ground move when the bank could pull the plug any minute - and I can tell you they are pulling the plug on well run business through no fault of their own - so what makes WCFC think they deserve the right to borrow so much money when others dont?
At last a director who isnt a complete prat!
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Post by niels on Dec 15, 2008 15:10:55 GMT
Gobby highlights a problem which I fear many share.
The club seems to be in very serious trouble and needs a bumper gate on Saturday (and the rest of the season) to bring in some cashflow, but the last Saturday before christmas usually brings in a low crowd.
Many fans will rally to the call but probably many times more will refuse to go until the old guard has gone.
So Brown, Partridge and Prescott should look at the big picture, swallow their pride and resign straight away. This would ensure as big crowds as possible over the festive season and get everyone pulling in the same direction, and just possibly save WCFC from going into administration.
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Post by wh on Dec 15, 2008 15:16:10 GMT
Gobby highlights a problem which I fear many share. The club seems to be in very serious trouble and needs a bumper gate on Saturday (and the rest of the season) to bring in some cashflow, but the last Saturday before christmas usually brings in a low crowd. Many fans will rally to the call but probably many times more will refuse to go until the old guard has gone. So Brown, Partridge and Prescott should look at the big picture, swallow their pride and resign straight away. This would ensure as big crowds as possible over the festive season and get everyone pulling in the same direction, and just possibly save WCFC from going into administration. and Boddy |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2008 15:18:18 GMT
Spot on Niels, its such a damn shame that they don't see the big picture, they never have, they like their freebies too much, and they seriously believe they have done a good job for the good of WCFC.
They are now such pariahs at SGL that if it wasn't so serious, you'd just want to stand and laugh at them, but its serious, and I'm angry. Fair do's to Anthony, when he found out what he'd been ropped into from a great height by Hallmark, he could have done the easy thing and walked away, but he's standing his ground, believe me Gobby, Anthony will NOT allow any cash coming into the club to be wasted on wasters like Prescott and Co.
I am a little concerned that I've heard that one of the new directors want to take a cut of money that he brings into the club. If he can present a business case that makes it a viable proposition then fair enough, and if its costing him in time and money, then of course he should be recompensed, but now is not the time to even consider a kickback on fevenues raised!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2008 15:19:56 GMT
Gobby highlights a problem which I fear many share. The club seems to be in very serious trouble and needs a bumper gate on Saturday (and the rest of the season) to bring in some cashflow, but the last Saturday before christmas usually brings in a low crowd. Many fans will rally to the call but probably many times more will refuse to go until the old guard has gone. So Brown, Partridge and Prescott should look at the big picture, swallow their pride and resign straight away. This would ensure as big crowds as possible over the festive season and get everyone pulling in the same direction, and just possibly save WCFC from going into administration. and Boddy Most of all Boddy, he's chaired this whole fiasco, he has certain legal obligations as the Chairman, which I think we'll find out soon enough that he's failed to act upon. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2008 15:20:33 GMT
Most of all Boddy, he's chaired this whole fiasco, he has certain legal obligations as the Chairman, which I think we'll find out soon enough that he's failed to act upon. And Lancaster! He's still involved, but not for much longer! |
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Post by gobby cow on Dec 15, 2008 15:26:32 GMT
And Hallmark, too. He has given them advice on all their shonky double dealing.
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Post by Mark on Dec 15, 2008 15:52:23 GMT
I'm not sure if Boddy & Co are too proud to admit they ballsed it all up or too stupid. Either way, now we have reached the brink of administration (aparently) isn't it too late to hope to solve the problem by bringing as many mates as you can muster down to The Lane on Saturday?
Surely, to ease the situation would call for a bail out of almost Abramavitch proportions, not a few hundred quid from a few extra spectators on Saturday? Unfortunately, the country is on the brink of recession and I don't think there is likely to be anyone out there who will want to step in.
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Post by niels on Dec 15, 2008 16:02:17 GMT
"And Boddy.........and Hallmark............"
Yes but you could go on and on and on and always find another reason for not returning....
I think that the immediate resignation of Brown, Partridge and Prescott would send a message of irreversible change at the club and bring many back.
Boddy is not going to resign but will now be in a minority, with little influence. Perhaps he will now concentrate on football instead of his legacy.
As for Lancaster. He is now such a joke that he cannot have any power whatsoever.
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Post by creaner on Dec 15, 2008 16:18:34 GMT
Whilst getting a few more through the gate Saturday would bring in a bit of revenue it would hardly scratch the surface on the overdraft- the present situation requires major surgery not just a sticking plaster. When the Trust spoke to AH it was obvious to all of us that things were bad and that AH was serious in his attempts ro rectify the situation and would accept help from anyone willing to get involved. Each time we told him of previous offers of help and support that had been rebuffed and refused his jaw dropped. Website, Social Club, Georgie D, HKL, freebies on the gate, no interaction with the community. It is a litany of failure that will take a hell of turning round- though it may well be too late.
For Rich to offer to start up the HKL as a gesture of support (and I think he was as shocked as we were!) shows how things might get back on track with the help of all of us. If nothing else it might help persuade the bank to give AH and the new Board some time.
Which brings me to the crux of the matter.We were at pains to point out that any resurgence in support at this perilous time would evaporate if the promise of the Old Guard to go was not honoured. New blood was called for and we got halfway there- time to open the doors and sweep away the cobwebs. If AH can push on with the support of fans and unify all the previously fragmented factions (SAG etc.) then I think we should give it a go.
If the Old Guard cannot see the writing on the wall then we're doomed to extinction. You know who you are.
Come to the meeting on the 20th and lets get weaving.
C'mon the City!
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Post by greenman on Dec 15, 2008 16:27:05 GMT
And anyone in the new guard with an agenda other than saving WCFC from the immediate ruin we are now facing.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2008 16:29:53 GMT
I understand Lancaster is still causing trouble for the new Chairman, but hopefully not for much longer, and that it is down to Lancaster and Boddy, that we are now on the brink with the bank. They are the most culpable of the lot. You could keep Partridge and Brown on the board and their impact would be so minimal as to not even notice them. so long as they're prepared to pay their admission fees every game, and lose any freebies, and take out the maximum shareholding.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2008 16:33:55 GMT
And anyone in the new guard with an agenda other than saving WCFC from the immediate ruin we are now facing. Absolutely - anyone who thinks for one second that they can make any money out of WCFC should be shown the door!! Can anyone tell me where Clifford Slade fits into all this??? He's not even listed in the Business Plan as a Director??? Whats happened to Kevin Peake?? |
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Post by gobby cow on Dec 15, 2008 16:46:37 GMT
Wayne please can you tape this meeting on saturday. I know I will not be allowed to go (anyone who thinks I wear the trousers in our house is sadly mistaken!)
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Post by greenman on Dec 15, 2008 16:51:57 GMT
Is that the same Lancaster who was counting the proxy votes allegedly assisting the independent scrutineer.
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Post by Tim Munslow on Dec 15, 2008 19:18:48 GMT
Why are you folks so obsessed with what's happened, what's been and gone, what's now history. Just be a proper supporter and get behind the club at a time when it needs you most.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2008 19:58:40 GMT
Because the actions of those in the past have serious implications regarding whether there is a future for the club. If those who have led to its financial demise are still associated with the club, what confidence does that give the bank? What confidence does it give a "proper supporter" (whatever that is) that what has happened isn't still carrying on?
Sorry , but until they're gone, its NOT history, its very present.
And anyway Mr Munslow, where were you when I was getting behind the club like a "proper supporter" and exposing the mismanagement 2 years ago? Thats when the club needed its "proper" supporters most, and they were few and far between. I hope all the ridicule that I and others have gone through will be worth it.
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Post by greenman on Dec 15, 2008 21:24:05 GMT
What the hell is a proper supporter then Tim. Someone who just rolls up every week pays to get in, buys a programme, shouts c'mon Worcester and returns home.
Or is a proper supporter someone who is prepared to research and question half truths fed by dictators to placate the masses and then be prepared to stand up and question such.
A blind eye has been turned for too long in relation to this business, closed books, manipulation and extravagance has now got to stop.
Openness and transparency has been promised by AH from now on, this I will support. Thank God for the likes of Jeremy to question what has still not been answered.
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Post by suv on Dec 15, 2008 21:28:40 GMT
There's nothing positive in this thread and nothing has changed.
Lancaster, Boddy, Prescott, Partridge & Brown have all still got the "power" and don't appear to be going anywhere. Anthony Hampson is making some of the "right noises" to a few supporters, (like SAG did) but when action is needed how far will he get? How much support from the people who hold the power will he get? What will Hallmark let him do?
I don't believe that there will be any significant increase in Saturday's attendance with this "rallying call".
I still believe the best way to increase the attendance at SGL is to start winning some matches there.
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Post by endlessnameless on Dec 15, 2008 21:36:01 GMT
Well I shan't be going on Saturday, or again, until the cancer has been eradicated.
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