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Post by dave on Mar 15, 2007 9:59:42 GMT
The Football League board is to consider a proposal to scrap draws and decide matches by penalty shoot-outs.
The idea will be discussed by Football League chairmen and chief executives at a board meeting on Thursday.
No timescale has been given for implementing the change if the chairmen go ahead with the proposal.
Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger said: "I saw this in my first year managing in Japan - it did not have spectacular results."
He added: "In extra-time they played a sudden death goal and if no-one scored they had penalties.
"The draw is part of the culture of the game and I would not like that to disappear."
The idea was originally put forward in the recent Football League Fans Survey. There are currently two proposals to be considered - a traditional penalty shoot-out or where a player would have eight seconds to try and score after receiving the ball on the half-way line.
Bournemouth boss Kevin Bond told the Daily Echo newspaper said: "Why can't we just have a draw?"
"I don't agree with it because I think it's too much of a radical change.
"I'm very open-minded and I think certain laws of the game need to move with the times but that would be too much of a drastic measure."
What do you reckon folks, after all as a sensible man once said "what good is a F*@#ing point!?"
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Post by tim on Mar 15, 2007 10:05:56 GMT
Possibly the crappest idea I have ever heard.
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Post by Mark on Mar 15, 2007 10:06:05 GMT
Absolutely crazy!
Is this something that has come from the USA, where they also wanted to make the goals bigger so there would be more goals. Why not just ban goalkeepers.
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Post by B*ue dragonstander on Mar 15, 2007 10:54:19 GMT
As Jimmy Armfield pointed out a team could end up as Champions without scoring a goal from open play all season! Reduced to absurdity but it makes the point.
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Post by niged on Mar 15, 2007 11:03:11 GMT
Absurdity to the nth degree. And whats wrong with a tied game? I've always thought the sports are more interesting when there's more than two possible outcomes, and with goals being so hard to come by in most football matches it adds to the excitement. Damn Yanks seem to think that we can only be entertained by a 10-7 scoreline, or even a 10-10 scoreline followed by a penalty shoot-out. The FA would be better served sorting out the offside rules before heading down into this godamn dumbass idea.
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Post by B*ue dragonstander on Mar 15, 2007 11:05:50 GMT
I didn't realise ther was an offisde law any more. I thought there were several different ones. How out of touch can you be eh?!
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Post by niged on Mar 15, 2007 11:22:32 GMT
Hey Blue you know you're right, every assistant referee is armed with his own version of the offside law, and even then the ref himself has gotten another one. They could of course get rid of it altogether but I think Arsenal did that some years ago.
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Post by dave on Mar 15, 2007 12:26:20 GMT
Just playing devil's advocate, but would not giving players more practice at penalty shoot-outs be of benefit to the national team when it comes to international tournaments?
Italia '90 - Knocked out on penalties
Euro '96 - Knocked out on penalties
France '98 - Knocked out on penalties
Euro 2004 - Knocked out on penalties
Germany 2006 - Knocked out on penalties
Apparently the suggestion is that when a game is drawn both sides still get a point, but that the winners of the shoot out get a bonus point.
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Post by darrellbutler on Mar 15, 2007 12:32:28 GMT
Just playing devil's advocate, but would not giving players more practice at penalty shoot-outs be of benefit to the national team when it comes to international tournaments? Italia '90 - Knocked out on penalties Euro '96 - Knocked out on penalties France '98 - Knocked out on penalties Euro 2004 - Knocked out on penalties Germany 2006 - Knocked out on penalties Looks like we've had enough practice already then! Don't like the idea at all! The Yanks will have us ending drawn test matches with a bowl-out soon. |
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Post by niged on Mar 15, 2007 12:34:42 GMT
Darrell is right there, if we can't sort it out in competitions where we know there is a penalty shoot-out possibility already then how we gonna get any better at it. Rather get rid of penalty shoot-outs in major competitions like World Cups really.
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Post by dave on Mar 15, 2007 12:37:16 GMT
Yes but if players were used to taking penalties in competitive games on a regular basis and not just every few years, maybe our record would improve? Any at least there would be some excitement at the end of any particularly dour 0-0 games.
I am not in support of the idea, it is too radical for me, all I am saying is that it is not as ridiculous as it first sounds.
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Post by darrellbutler on Mar 15, 2007 12:47:01 GMT
I don't think the England team are good enough to win any major competitions in the near future anyway (Penalties or no penalties!)
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Post by niged on Mar 15, 2007 12:57:40 GMT
Yes but if players were used to taking penalties in competitive games on a regular basis and not just every few years, maybe our record would improve? Any at least there would be some excitement at the end of any particularly dour 0-0 games. I am not in support of the idea, it is too radical for me, all I am saying is that it is not as ridiculous as it first sounds. Hey Dave wouldnt it just be a cheap thrill though, not really excitement. I think that its even more ridiculous than it first sounds. Football could end up with players who may not be very good but take a good penalty. You'd have a subs bench with maybe two or three poor players but good penalty takers ready to come on for the last five minutes of a 0-0 draw. Anyways some of the best struck penalties are saved and some of the worst penalties are scored so its just making a lottery out of football. |
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Post by dorothy on Mar 15, 2007 14:29:55 GMT
I believe the idea was first raised some years ago when West Germany played Austria in one of the major tournaments. A draw would see both teams progress and lo and behold a draw resulted. Neither team tried( allegedly).
There's nothing wrong with a draw as I see it. If any law needs changing its the one which allows a defender to shield the ball out of play whilst making no attempt to progress.
Shirt pulling, instant yellow.
Diving (sorry simulation) straight red and 3 match ban. Adam Burley watch out!
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Post by citymatt on Mar 15, 2007 14:52:25 GMT
why not have extra points for scoring more than 3 in a match?
Another suggestion in the report was a player receiving the ball on the half way line and having 8 seconds too score. Imagine that in the sunday league? takes em years too reach the penalty area!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2007 15:05:03 GMT
"Neither team tried( allegedly)"
I remember it well. A disgrace.
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Post by DazaB on Mar 15, 2007 17:19:36 GMT
sounds pretty stupid to me, if it was a 0-0 draw and the game was decided on penalties then would the goal scored and conceded stay 0 or would they count the pens as a goal let in?
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Post by darrellbutler on Mar 15, 2007 17:23:57 GMT
Why don't we get a bonus point for losing by less than 7 goals?  |
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