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Post by The sound and the fury on Dec 12, 2019 21:01:47 GMT
It'll never be SGL, but it's in Worcester and gives us a chance. Now lets all pull together, fill the place and get some coin in the coffers.
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Post by cloud on Dec 13, 2019 8:56:42 GMT
www.worcesternews.co.uk/sport/18098762.worcester-city-finally-land-homecoming-claines-lane-deal/"City will have to fund ground improvements with Worcestershire FA’s original plans only catering for the level below, meaning access to grants could be used up on Claines Lane while searching for a permanent stadium." ...that's really confused me. Last night there was a question about us raising money for ground improvements, & the reply was along the lines of we were only tenants so we wouldn't be paying for ground improvements.
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Post by jupu on Dec 13, 2019 11:15:24 GMT
There is a difference between raising funds and making a contribution from existing monies.
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Post by oxford on Dec 13, 2019 19:59:52 GMT
I hope it all goes well. It will spell the end of my involvement,after many years, but it isn't about any one individual.The future of the club is paramount and, if this is the right move, then it must be made. Thanks for everything City. Perhaps you could win the Vase for me to end on a high 😃
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Post by cloud on Dec 13, 2019 20:55:21 GMT
There is a difference between raising funds and making a contribution from existing monies. I don't understand. Are we really paying to upgrade a ground we don't own? Please tell me no. We are just renting. This was made quite clear in the meeting when the question about us contributing to the upgrading of the ground was raised by the floor. It was quickly dismissed by the board because we were only renting. There was ample time for the board to clarify the situation and explain to shareholders if our last remaining monies were going to be paid to the worcester fa for them to develop their ground, but I didn't hear that. Apologies if I have misunderstood.
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Post by harley on Dec 14, 2019 9:45:25 GMT
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Post by Dodger on Dec 16, 2019 11:37:43 GMT
Definitely a pity about Perdiswell, but at least there will be a presence in the city come next season.
Hopefully the bus services to Claines (and back) will support to possible numbers that may travel that way to games.
On the social side, it's good to know that we can gain revenue from refreshments etc., but are Raiders equally likely to also use those facilities? If so, who makes the initial (and subsequent) outlay in purchasing the stock?
On the footy side, as Raiders would also be tenants, presumably WCFC would take preference of any fixture clash by virtue of being the 'higher ranked' team?
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Post by zeke on Jan 5, 2020 11:27:41 GMT
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Post by zeke on Jan 5, 2020 13:30:33 GMT
Anyone know the deadline for grading?
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Post by The Verner on Jan 6, 2020 9:49:43 GMT
Anyone know the deadline for grading? Must achieve Grading by 31st March. It says the temporary accommodation should be in place by the end of the month so that Raiders can move back in, so it will be a question really of what needs doing from their Grade to our Grade and that work being completed. The main structure can then have until June time to be put up.
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Jan 6, 2020 10:10:52 GMT
Paid fro by whom? The recent Worcester News article suggested that the work to be done to upgrade to City's requirements would not be paid for by Worcestershire FA, but by the club? And that was not what shareholders were told at the meeting.
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Post by thatloudbloke on Jan 6, 2020 11:09:33 GMT
Paid fro by whom? The recent Worcester News article suggested that the work to be done to upgrade to City's requirements would not be paid for by Worcestershire FA, but by the club? And that was not what shareholders were told at the meeting. totally agree with the above, as it was not what was discussed at first meeting either. I think we need another meeting for all, so we are all singing from the same hymn sheet. we have so little time to get all things in place, or is there a plan B that always seems to be the problem.
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Post by zeke on Jan 6, 2020 12:14:57 GMT
Maybe Plan B is dropping down a league again? Therefore it won't cost anything to upgrade.
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Post by thatloudbloke on Jan 6, 2020 12:46:33 GMT
just to add a different bit to this, if the ground is completed up to league raiders are in now & they get promotion, will both clubs be expected to share the cost of improving the ground to MFL, & i thought that it was said that the improvements that were in place at this time would cover MFL & the next league above in the pyramid of leagues, then there would need to be an upgrade to climb to higher levels...
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Post by The Verner on Jan 6, 2020 14:26:43 GMT
I think the improvements needed between Raiders and our level is minimal, we just need to know what they are. For everyone here, Grade 5 is as below (well main points) -
Capacity - No minimum capactiy at this level but should be mindful to go to next grade it needs to be 1,300. This needs to be achieved by a number of things the club does not yet have in place....technically.
Clubhouse - There must be a clubhouse facility either on or adjacent to the ground.
Car Parking - There should be adequate car parking on site.
Pitch Perimeter Barrier - Must be a permanent fixed barriers ideally 1.1m high as measured from the spectator side.
Technical Area - Two Covered Trainers boxes clearly marked home and away must be provided unless adequate provision is made in a seated stand. 8 Seats etc
Safe Walkway - Must be a safe, unimpeded passage for players and match officials between dressing rooms and the pitch.
Floodlights - Already in place, what Lux reading they have..no idea
Public Address System - Must be in place
Entrances - There must be 1 full operational turnstile or pay box. Hire a crane and take ours out of Bromsgroves ground
Exits - Must be clearly signed with running man signs and be kept free of obstructions.
Spectator Accomodation - Covered accommodation which should preferably be on 2 sides. The minimum covered accommodation must be 200 of which 100 is Seated. - So I question, other than the seated stand they have put in place, what other covered accommodation housing 100 people is there?
Toilets - 2 Male urinals and 1 WC. Female x2 WC's
Directors/Committee - A separate room or reserved area must be made available
Refreshment Facilities
Medical facilities for both players and public
What we must also take into account, some of the areas such as emergency lighting will fall under the local Safety Advisory Group and may not come as a ground grading requirement but a requirement from the group. As will having Contingency Plans, Traffic Management Plan etc etc
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Post by The Verner on Jan 6, 2020 14:28:10 GMT
just to add a different bit to this, if the ground is completed up to league raiders are in now & they get promotion, will both clubs be expected to share the cost of improving the ground to MFL, & i thought that it was said that the improvements that were in place at this time would cover MFL & the next league above in the pyramid of leagues, then there would need to be an upgrade to climb to higher levels... Doesn't make any difference to Raiders, getting promotion means they would have until March 2021 to complete the necessary grading extras to enable them to stay at Step 5
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Post by zeke on Jan 6, 2020 15:34:59 GMT
Thanks for the info Verner. It does seem a bit premature making a decision to play at a ground that hasn't really got a full working plan to make sure it's ready?
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Post by The Verner on Jan 6, 2020 18:41:59 GMT
Thanks for the info Verner. It does seem a bit premature making a decision to play at a ground that hasn't really got a full working plan to make sure it's ready? As I said in first post today, Raiders are expecting to be back by end of January so it's a case of what isnt in place between their grading and ours Things like Toilets and Refreshments you would guess would be temporary structures some going in place for Raiders ie toilets and a burger van that is there just on matchdays (like the one down SGL).
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Post by crosscountrymark on Jan 6, 2020 20:58:09 GMT
I can see it being a rush against the clock to meet any the deadline for ground grading, and what plans are in place if this deadline is not met ? . Any work to meet grade grading should be funded by the Worcester FA from their £750k loan from the Worcester City Council. why should Worcester City Fc use their future grants to fund work on the ground which they will never own. The ground rent has being mentioned to be a similar figure to what the club pays at Bromsgrove and I presume the Raiders will pay the same figure, I cannot see how they will pay this rent on their income. I feel the board/Trust will need to communicate and clarify how things will all stack up on how things will work out on the financial side and need to be sustainable for the future of the club.
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Jan 7, 2020 10:25:02 GMT
I think the improvements needed between Raiders and our level is minimal, we just need to know what they are. For everyone here, Grade 5 is as below (well main points) - Capacity - No minimum capactiy at this level but should be mindful to go to next grade it needs to be 1,300. This needs to be achieved by a number of things the club does not yet have in place....technically. Clubhouse - There must be a clubhouse facility either on or adjacent to the ground. Car Parking - There should be adequate car parking on site. Pitch Perimeter Barrier - Must be a permanent fixed barriers ideally 1.1m high as measured from the spectator side. Technical Area - Two Covered Trainers boxes clearly marked home and away must be provided unless adequate provision is made in a seated stand. 8 Seats etc Safe Walkway - Must be a safe, unimpeded passage for players and match officials between dressing rooms and the pitch. Floodlights - Already in place, what Lux reading they have..no idea Public Address System - Must be in place Entrances - There must be 1 full operational turnstile or pay box. Hire a crane and take ours out of Bromsgroves ground Exits - Must be clearly signed with running man signs and be kept free of obstructions. Spectator Accomodation - Covered accommodation which should preferably be on 2 sides. The minimum covered accommodation must be 200 of which 100 is Seated. - So I question, other than the seated stand they have put in place, what other covered accommodation housing 100 people is there? Toilets - 2 Male urinals and 1 WC. Female x2 WC's Directors/Committee - A separate room or reserved area must be made available Refreshment Facilities Medical facilities for both players and public What we must also take into account, some of the areas such as emergency lighting will fall under the local Safety Advisory Group and may not come as a ground grading requirement but a requirement from the group. As will having Contingency Plans, Traffic Management Plan etc etc Yes yes ....but ......... who pays? At the shareholders meeting, it was said that Claines Lane would be developed to the level above where City are now. It was also said that City would not be paying for that development. The Worcester News are reporting otherwise. Clarity is needed here. What exactly are we walking into at Claines Lane? Is it what shareholders were told? or is it something very different? I guess we are lucky that City are nowhere near promotion this season.
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Post by althom on Jan 7, 2020 17:11:57 GMT
A 1.83m tall boundary fence all around the ground would be quite a considerable cost for the club to find i would think!
Quote "1.4 Boundary of Ground The ground must be enclosed by a permanent boundary. As a general rule, the minimum height, when measured from outside the ground, should be 1.83 metres. It should be noted that at higher grades the boundary fence should be of a construction to prevent viewing from outside the ground. Where any side of the ground is bounded by private land/property, the fixed boundary of that private land / property may be acceptable as the boundary of the ground"
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Post by The Verner on Jan 7, 2020 17:38:27 GMT
A 1.83m tall boundary fence all around the ground would be quite a considerable cost for the club to find i would think! Quote "1.4 Boundary of Ground The ground must be enclosed by a permanent boundary. As a general rule, the minimum height, when measured from outside the ground, should be 1.83 metres. It should be noted that at higher grades the boundary fence should be of a construction to prevent viewing from outside the ground. Where any side of the ground is bounded by private land/property, the fixed boundary of that private land / property may be acceptable as the boundary of the ground" Left that out as there is already a fence along Claines Land side, a fence alongside the main road which includes trees. Not sure what the top end has other than a hill and trees. And the other side would eventually see a fence along it from the 3G the other side. I would suggest you couldnt view from outside of the ground as it stands.
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Jan 7, 2020 21:26:25 GMT
Yes but again........Who pays for all of this? If it's not being paid for by Worcester City Council, what was the point of their involvement in the whole Claines Lane saga? They came to the WCFC with a proposal, what exactly was the proposal? Steve Goode said that the club would not have to pay for the improvements, so is this still the case? or not?
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Post by Noboddy aka Lord Ealing on Jan 8, 2020 11:40:35 GMT
This is all very depressing. While a return to Worcester is welcome, a move to Claines Lane can only be on a very short term basis. It would work if a move to Perdiswell or Sixways was still possible, but as things stand a longer residence won’t work financially. I hope I’m wrong, but I fear the relocation will merely allow the club to die on home soil.
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Post by Woodenose on Jan 8, 2020 12:00:37 GMT
Why are people so negative, we are coming home so let us make it work. Stop being pessimistic.
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Jan 8, 2020 13:15:22 GMT
No pessimism or negativity, just confusion as to whether the club needs to find £200,000 to come home or not. Or is the Worcester News just peddling bullshit?
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Post by The Verner on Jan 8, 2020 13:38:07 GMT
And I wasn't being negative either, just pointing out the fact there is little between the two grading's and we need to understand what needs doing, who is doing it and as Jem keeps saying...who is paying for what (an answer I dont have).
I cannot wait to come "home" because having a venue I can go to inside 5 minutes is fantastic, a venue where we can train, a venue we can arrange games and only have to worry about checking Raiders fixtures to see if we can fit a game in, somewhere to store kit, somewhere to increase attendances, somewhere our fantastic youth section can pop along and support the first team.
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Jan 8, 2020 14:01:57 GMT
Exactly Kev. Its a question of pragmatism, of realism, and in the brave new world of WCFC transparency, the more enlightened and aware both supporters and shareholders should be. If the club does have to find a couple of hundred grand (and I don't know that) , then its important that a plan is put in place that supporters can get involved in, and not like in the past, where these kinds of things suddenly come out of the woodwork and bite us.
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Post by Noboddy aka Lord Ealing on Jan 8, 2020 21:01:24 GMT
It's not a mater of being "negative", more like simply pointing out possible problems ahead of time so they can be addressed. I remember being called negative when myself and others pointed out what a shambles the deal to sell SGL was. Instead of questioning Boddy etc many supporters allowed the ship to steam on into the iceberg.
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Post by zeke on Jan 14, 2020 16:28:53 GMT
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