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Post by alwaysnextyear on Aug 2, 2017 10:44:15 GMT
Thanks Blueand WhiteFlag, although being pedantic, I'd prefer " Hear, Hear " !
It's not just you.
I've no idea who they are, but downthelane just appears to dislike anything the Supporters Trust decide to do. Whether the ST are right or wrong in everything they attempt I don't know, but again there appears to be another personal agenda against them. What I do know is that the way Hampson and the Board have run the club, and are continuing to do so, has resulted in a long drawn out financial and governance calamity, which can only end in the Club ceasing to exist. So having us tried the Board's way, which patently has ruined the club, why be so against the only other option on the table ?
As for genghis, I can only assume he models straightjackets in his spare time, with his odd rantings based on apparently nothing.
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Aug 2, 2017 10:57:46 GMT
I wonder if Snape even knows where Perdiswell is? He's never shown any interest in Perdiswell, in fact he wasn't even at the club when we kicked this off. He's never been to a single meeting, never shown support, and I wouldn't expect him to. He's only the manager. I'm more worried about comments by Colin Layland this morning, apparently he said on the radio " The Board supported Perdiswell, even though we knew it was never going to happen" What that really means is " We went along with Perdiswell and pretended to support it, but we never really did support it" That is incompetency and duplicity of the highest level, and shows that he is completely unfit to be a Board member of the company.
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Post by Noboddy aka Lord Ealing on Aug 2, 2017 11:03:27 GMT
Hampson, Boddy and co's actions aren't a result of incompetence. The ruination of WCFC is a deliberate plan to wind the club up and empty the balance. They don't want anyone else getting involved. They never have.
Ignore genghis and downthelane, they're either trolls or Hampson stooges trying to muddy the waters. They're not worth a response.
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Aug 2, 2017 11:13:41 GMT
I agree that that's the case with Hampson, but Layland is just so far out of his depth, he doesn't understand the trouble that the club, and he, is likely to end up in. I bet Hampson has directors liability insurance to cover his a**e, but Layland won't. I bet Baz Pinches is left completely out of the loop, I feel sorry for Baz, he's a decent guy, but he'll be dragged into the mire by association.
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Post by oxford on Aug 2, 2017 12:09:10 GMT
I have no axe to grind with Tim,far from it,but I was wondering what part of the season he had though might "auger well"? No ground,no money,playing at what can only be described at best as a very poor standard(I know what I call it) and a board who are proud to go on record stating that they will not support the only credible plan,to my knowledge,that there is to solving any of these issues.
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Post by Fred on Aug 2, 2017 14:14:20 GMT
Your point of view is the same every single time, change the record, put some spice girls on..spice up your life ! So its Snapes fault that we will end up with our lowest ever points tally, its his fault that the clubs in the state its in, its his fault that Perdiswell isnt going to happen....whats next ? Are you going to blame him for making you a complete wackjob ? But then again youve just played your ace card.....you are unhappy that everyone is blaming Hampson for the state of the Club.....we have another downthelane ! Crawl back in lad..or under the rock.. ! Ftr, I have never once defended Hampson. But all of you thinking that he is the cause of all of the club's problems are deluded. Snape has done an excellent job of keeping any of the blame off himself, as well as his infiltration of the Trust hidden. Go and talk to Snape when he's had a few drinks in him and you'll see what kind of man he really is. Just spit it out already..not your dummy but whatever it is you are harping on about!
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Aug 2, 2017 14:19:39 GMT
Snape stooges? Snape, the alcoholic obsessive who has somehow managed to infiltrate the Trust without ever talking to them? I don't think he's a patch on Andy Morrison though. Now there was a man who could pull a bus driver off of his bus, through the window! Actually the way you are describing John Snape, he sounds like a handy man to have in your corner. The more you are telling us, the more I think we are all warming to him, he's quite a guy !
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Aug 2, 2017 14:21:15 GMT
Obviously John Snape was behind the sale of SGL. And there was us blaming Hallmark for the clubs woes. No, it was agent Snape negotiating with SMD and Careys! Am I right Genghis?
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Post by Noboddy aka Lord Ealing on Aug 2, 2017 15:38:21 GMT
"...he doesn't understand the trouble that the club, and he, is likely to end up in...." Actually neither do I. I'd assumed they'd all just walk away counting their money. What possible repercussions could there be?
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Post by creaner on Aug 2, 2017 16:40:27 GMT
The simple answer is for Hampson ( presumably still out searching for auditors, or is that Layland's job ? ) , to call an AGM ( he can call two if he wants for 2016 and 2017 ), say how much money is left ( 200 k ? if we're lucky ) , and show everyone his plans for Parsonage Way ( which is a totally inappropriate location ). There's more chance of genghis eloping with John Snape, and downthelane stopping bathing in ignorance ! Hampson was asked directly about the date for an AGM. He said it was not at the top of his agenda. For someone who always says he puts shareholders views first that's a strange statement.
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Aug 2, 2017 17:13:00 GMT
Whats top of the agenda? reviewing the best crosscut shredders?
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Aug 2, 2017 17:22:10 GMT
Seriously though, if he said that, its shameful. Hampson does not, and has never, given a damn about shareholders. He has never got his head around the constitution of the club, or what he can and can't do within the constitution. So he does the easy, lazy, but safest thing, he ignores shareholders. There are a number of big issues that a responsible Board would feel is right to discuss and present to shareholders, like relegation, demotion, ground share, new ground plans, finances, investment plans, but Hampson is just keeping his head in the sand. He's far far worse, and a lot more dangerous, than Boddy ever was.
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Aug 2, 2017 17:25:52 GMT
Mind you, John Snape is the dangerous one! Obviously, I mean, look at those ears??
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Post by voiceoftreason on Aug 2, 2017 18:49:14 GMT
Labour has not held a majority on the City Council for nearly 20 years when Blair's "New Labour" was dominating national politics.
Whilst they currently hold 16 seats (only 2 short of the total needed for a majority) the likelihood of Labour overturning the Tory majorities in St Peters, Battenhall, Bedwardine and the Warndon Parishes are pretty slim based on the 2017 County Council election results from a couple of months back.
All in all, even with 7 years to commence building, the ST have a political mountain to climb.
As for the Hampson problem, there doesn't seem to be a coherent plan for ousting him and his cronies. Is the ST plan therefore to let WCFC Ltd fold and launch an "AFC Worcester" style phoenix club to occupy the stadium at Perdiswell?
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Post by stgeorge on Aug 2, 2017 19:07:57 GMT
Can someone explain why Hampson can't be removed or if he can, how do we do it? Didn't he offer to quit if Dave Wood would take over? Now I appreciate Dave may not want to be chairman but surely it's a way to get him out and Dave can resign and we vote in someone who wants the best for the club? I'm sure it's not so simple though
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Post by stgeorge on Aug 2, 2017 19:12:24 GMT
Labour has not held a majority on the City Council for nearly 20 years when Blair's "New Labour" was dominating national politics. Whilst they currently hold 16 seats (only 2 short of the total needed for a majority) the likelihood of Labour overturning the Tory majorities in St Peters, Battenhall, Bedwardine and the Warndon Parishes are pretty slim based on the 2017 County Council election results from a couple of months back. All in all, even with 7 years to commence building, the ST have a political mountain to climb. As for the Hampson problem, there doesn't seem to be a coherent plan for ousting him and his cronies. Is the ST plan therefore to let WCFC Ltd fold and launch an "AFC Worcester" style phoenix club to occupy the stadium at Perdiswell? But Labour have just won Canterbury and Kensington for the first time in 100 years/ever so the possibility of a Labour majority is a real one.
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Post by voiceoftreason on Aug 2, 2017 19:27:58 GMT
Maybe, but this years local elections saw the Tories strengthen their grip on the County Council and all across Worcestershire Tory MPs were returned to Parliament at the general election despite the loss of a Tory majority at Westminster.
It is not impossible but it is not going to be easy, that's all I am saying.
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Post by bj on Aug 2, 2017 19:53:59 GMT
I am a shareholder and I don't want Hampson to resign and be let off the hook. I want questions answered at an AGM and find it unbelievable that a limited company is legally allowed to trade for so long without holding an AGM.
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Aug 2, 2017 19:54:50 GMT
The ST plans for a community stadium for the City of Worcester, as a CBS, the ST is already constituted as a community organisation. We would be the service provider, the stadium would belong to the ST, we would provide community services via the stadium, both the pitch and the facilities in the stand. WCFC could be a user of such services, in fact, they would preferably be the primary user of the pitch. If WCFC Ltd folded, this would then have no impact on the stadium itself, and should another Worcester football club wish to use the facilities, they they could. The financial plight of WCFC is therefore separated from the community stadium.
As for the Hampson problem? There is nothing that the Supporters Trust can do to remove Hampson or the other directors, as we are simply a bunch of fans. Shareholders could force an EGM and call for a vote of confidence in the Board, but this could simply be ignored. Unfortunately , it is very difficult for shareholders to force Directors out of office, unless they are up for re-election. Add to that the fact that, in the opinion of many of us, the company is beyond the stage where it can be turned around, so who in their right mind would want to replace Hampson and Co now? In some respects, our demise is lessened by the fact that we are already demoted to playing in an irrelevant amateur local league, it certainly makes reforming a less painful process.
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Post by Noboddy aka Lord Ealing on Aug 2, 2017 20:21:27 GMT
Waiting for Hampson to answer questions at an AGM, an EGM or in court is a waste of time. He won't. He doesn't have to. Trying to rescue WCFC sounds hopeless. A Phoenix club is looking like the way forward.
Is it time for the Trust to shift its focus and look towards not supporting WCFC at all.
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Aug 2, 2017 20:59:41 GMT
Thats a decision for our membership, as far as I'm concerned, I cannot support WCFC Ltd. in any way shape or form, because every penny that goes into the club is under the control of the Board of Directors. And before anyone says "but what about the players? what about bringing in money to pay the players?" well , the £12,000 wasted on bringing a solicitor in to run the EGM could so easily have been used to pay enough players to avoid relegation last season, so quite frankly, anyone who thinks that gate money goes to the players, forget it! Its unfortunate but not enough people share this view, and too many decisions are still made from the heart and not the head. Take the emotion out of things, and what have you got? You've got a little limited company taking your money and pissing it up against a wall. Just because its a football club it makes no difference. But being emotive actually makes it worse, because they know they can get away with it, and not many people will ask questions, or act to stop things going on.
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Post by rushwickdon on Aug 2, 2017 21:34:48 GMT
A phoenix club has to be the way forward now, perhaps even more so than before. The directors don't care about WCFC Ltd, so why should anyone else?
It is the right of the supporters to follow a Worcester football club in Worcester. If Perdiswell is the best option, then go with it. If people are sick and tired of being lied to by the current board, just pack up, walk away, and START AGAIN.
As was said by the supporters club chairman when Wimbledon reformed as AFC Wimbledon, "I'm fed up of fighting, I just want to watch some football".
Talking about how inactive/pathetic/(insert any word you like) the board are will not make the problem go away.
Rant over......
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Aug 3, 2017 8:56:40 GMT
Unfortunately the majority still prefer to sit on their hands and do nothing, so a phoenix club would be seen as a petulant act by certain fans trying to damage the real club. There are still those who are actively supporting the Hampson regime, whilst also wanting to be working with the Supporters Trust, and proclaiming "I'm doing it for the club, not Hampson" Wake up! Hampson, and the Board of Directors, IS the club, thats how a Ltd. company works!
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Post by The Verner on Aug 3, 2017 9:00:58 GMT
Unfortunately the majority still prefer to sit on their hands and do nothing, so a phoenix club would be seen as a petulant act by certain fans trying to damage the real club. There are still those who are actively supporting the Hampson regime, whilst also wanting to be working with the Supporters Trust, and proclaiming "I'm doing it for the club, not Hampson" Wake up! Hampson, and the Board of Directors, IS the club, thats how a Ltd. company works! Thanks Mate !
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Aug 3, 2017 9:22:10 GMT
Its the way it is, nothing happened at Hereford until the fans said "no more" Same at Enfield, same at pretty much every club where there has been reformation. Football clubs are no different to any other business, would you keep buying goods from a company who you knew were being run into the ground by its Directors?
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Post by voiceoftreason on Aug 3, 2017 12:03:16 GMT
I agree.
The Phoenix club option should wait until WCFC Ltd are actually liquidated (not long to wait I suspect) otherwise those who remain blind to what is going on will point to it as an attempt to undermine the club and the BoD will use this as another excuse for the collapse of WCFC Ltd rather than admit to their own failings and mismanagement of the finances.
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Post by Noboddy aka Lord Ealing on Aug 3, 2017 12:07:17 GMT
Yes you're probably right, but it's worth discussing.
By the way are you the real VoR? Are you Clive?
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Post by voiceoftreason on Aug 3, 2017 12:37:37 GMT
There is a crucial 't' in my username!
I am ambivalent towards KHFC and carpets in general.
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Post by Noboddy aka Lord Ealing on Aug 3, 2017 15:05:41 GMT
"I am ambivalent towards KHFC and carpets in general." Then you can't be him.
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Aug 3, 2017 15:41:26 GMT
voiceoftreason I think you are Genghis in disguise !
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