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Post by Noboddy aka Lord Ealing on Apr 29, 2017 20:07:39 GMT
I know I'm repeating myself but..... it really doesn't matter about details like which league we'll end up in or who'll be the manager etc. This is not WCFC. That club died at the sale of SGL. I can't see a future. The club can't survive with the present board, and (as Jem and others have pointed out) it can't exist without impossibly massive investment.
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Post by jimbo on Apr 29, 2017 20:11:23 GMT
This is in no way a support for our present board.....
BUT, be careful about what you wish for. Yes, we'd all like to see this shower of s**t disappear; but if the did it on masse, where would that leave us ??
Company law is complicated. Would it mean the company closed ??
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Post by B*ue dragonstander on Apr 29, 2017 20:15:57 GMT
No worse off than we are now at worst.
My hazy recollection is that the last director cannot resign unless another appointment is made. I would guess that members of the Trust woul d come forward to take that appointment and let the last rat leave the ship.
It would not mean company closed. That can only be achieved voluntarily by the members voting for th,e liquidation of the company and the return of surplus funds to the shareholders i.e. A solvent dissolution.
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Post by creaner on Apr 29, 2017 20:24:47 GMT
No worse off than we are now at worst. My hazy recollection is that the last director cannot resign unless another appointment is made. I would guess that members of the Trust woul d come forward to take that appointment and let the last rat leave the ship. It would not mean company closed. That can only be achieved voluntarily by the members voting for th,e liquidation of the company and the return of surplus funds to the shareholders i.e. A solvent dissolution. I for one wouldn't take that on with the club in its current set up. Be left holding the baby whilst the guilty parties disappear! Constitution needs changing first to fan ownership. Only the present board can make this happen. |
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Post by B*ue dragonstander on Apr 29, 2017 20:39:56 GMT
I think I would. At least the remaining cash would be in safe hands. Change would be easier to push through surely?
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Apr 29, 2017 21:25:21 GMT
Totally agree my friend!! I just read a very good comment in the Worcester News, which is spot on. Unfortunately football clubs, particularly at non-league are run by people who lose sight of what the objectives are about, what the reason for being is about. They talk of winning leagues, or making it into the Football League, as if thats what everyone wants, and should be set as the objective at all costs. And usually, it is at all costs! They forget that what fans want, is to watch football matches, and that whatever level this is played at, you're going to win, you're going to lose, the cat will get a metaphorical kicking some evenings, and other times you'd kiss your mother-in-law!! The whole idea of giving the customer what the customer wants, in line with the capabilities within the business itself. Why do some clubs take the idea that fans want to see a winning team as meaning that they should fund an unachievable plan to get into the football league! Not every team has the means to do this, so why plan for something outside of the means? In 2009 Hampson put together his plan for the future of WCFC which included.....league football by 2018. no seriously it did! And did we as fans ask for that?
But ok, the objective is league football, so at what stage did the Board ask themselves "How do we achieve this?" "What is it going to cost?" "What are the risks?" "What happenes if we can't achieve it?" in other words "Is this objective in any way achievable?" The truth is for WCFC, it hasnt been achievable certainly since the 80s! So why on earth even consider it ? So then every year a budget is set, somehow, on a fag packet! The wages budget is given to the manager, who will typically say, "I cant work with that budget, I can't build a team with that, I need a bit more" and they get given a bit more......from where?? already a club is living outside of its means to try and meet an objective that isn't achievable! Its simply madness. As the Harrison Clark report said so many years ago, the club is "gambling on its future....." and so they did, and they continued to do it. Hampson said when elected, and its all written down in his manifesto, that he'd deliver a debt free club to Nunnery Way by the 2010/11 season. It didn't happen, which is a shame, however, after it didn't happen, what did the Board do to mitigate the impact? Nothing! Having found ourselves facing homelessness, why did the Board continue business as usual, and accept that the club would continue to lose £50k a year, and because they did nothing, that figure is now upwards of £150k a year!
Seriously, as fans, would many of us minded, if , a few years ago, lets say around 2012/13, the Board had come out and said "We have problems, real problems, and we are struggling for answers, and we need your help" and the Board, with shareholders, and fans, could have agreed an acceptable way forward, which might have been to accept that playing at Conf North level would be extremely difficult. Instead, this Board followed the well worn path of so many other football club Boards, and buried their heads deeply in the sand, and ploughed on regardless, hoping for a bit of luck and a following wind! And now they are reaping the same results, keep doing what hasnt worked, and guess what? It'll keep not working!
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Apr 29, 2017 21:28:06 GMT
I think I would. At least the remaining cash would be in safe hands. Change would be easier to push through surely? There are questions of liability, and no-one really knows quite whats under the covers at WCFC Ltd. Remaining cash?? I wouldn't touch this business with someone else's barge pole!! |
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Post by B*ue dragonstander on Apr 29, 2017 21:45:03 GMT
Totally agree my friend!! I just read a very good comment in the Worcester News, which is spot on. Unfortunately football clubs, particularly at non-league are run by people who lose sight of what the objectives are about, what the reason for being is about. They talk of winning leagues, or making it into the Football League, as if thats what everyone wants, and should be set as the objective at all costs. And usually, it is at all costs! They forget that what fans want, is to watch football matches, and that whatever level this is played at, you're going to win, you're going to lose, the cat will get a metaphorical kicking some evenings, and other times you'd kiss your mother-in-law!! The whole idea of giving the customer what the customer wants, in line with the capabilities within the business itself. Why do some clubs take the idea that fans want to see a winning team as meaning that they should fund an unachievable plan to get into the football league! Not every team has the means to do this, so why plan for something outside of the means? In 2009 Hampson put together his plan for the future of WCFC which included.....league football by 2018. no seriously it did! And did we as fans ask for that? But ok, the objective is league football, so at what stage did the Board ask themselves "How do we achieve this?" "What is it going to cost?" "What are the risks?" "What happenes if we can't achieve it?" in other words "Is this objective in any way achievable?" The truth is for WCFC, it hasnt been achievable certainly since the 80s! So why on earth even consider it ? So then every year a budget is set, somehow, on a fag packet! The wages budget is given to the manager, who will typically say, "I cant work with that budget, I can't build a team with that, I need a bit more" and they get given a bit more......from where?? already a club is living outside of its means to try and meet an objective that isn't achievable! Its simply madness. As the Harrison Clark report said so many years ago, the club is "gambling on its future....." and so they did, and they continued to do it. Hampson said when elected, and its all written down in his manifesto, that he'd deliver a debt free club to Nunnery Way by the 2010/11 season. It didn't happen, which is a shame, however, after it didn't happen, what did the Board do to mitigate the impact? Nothing! Having found ourselves facing homelessness, why did the Board continue business as usual, and accept that the club would continue to lose £50k a year, and because they did nothing, that figure is now upwards of £150k a year! Seriously, as fans, would many of us minded, if , a few years ago, lets say around 2012/13, the Board had come out and said "We have problems, real problems, and we are struggling for answers, and we need your help" and the Board, with shareholders, and fans, could have agreed an acceptable way forward, which might have been to accept that playing at Conf North level would be extremely difficult. Instead, this Board followed the well worn path of so many other football club Boards, and buried their heads deeply in the sand, and ploughed on regardless, hoping for a bit of luck and a following wind! And now they are reaping the same results, keep doing what hasnt worked, and guess what? It'll keep not working! Yep. All we want is to watch our team, have a few beers with our mates, cheer or cry as appropriate, carry on the tradition of gently abusing inept match officials, drink revolting coffee, and go home safe looking forward to the next match where we will stuff someone 12 - 2. I think the most enjoyable season in my time was div 1 north in th,e seventies ...not a great standard but utterly memorable and fun. |
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Apr 29, 2017 22:23:26 GMT
Discussions at the Canal End over just when Minder went from a gritty drama (they had fights AND strippers in pubs in the early episodes) to becoming the corny Arthur Daley show! The thrill of discovering that if you took a cup of disgusting coffee, and ran it along the top of a crush barrier at the changing room end, it formed little perfect spherical bubbles on top that danced over the surface! Calling Liam Daish a "big girls blouse" and hoping that he'd actually stop walking towards you when he got to the goal line - which thankfully he did! Estimate the crowd based on Brooksiders D Stand theory! Who really needs to win the league??
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