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Post by jupu on Apr 16, 2017 7:05:04 GMT
I'm surprised you show as much interest in Perdiswell as you do on here in that case downthelane.
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Post by downthelane on Apr 16, 2017 8:02:56 GMT
Because people are still being told it will happen.
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Apr 16, 2017 9:28:52 GMT
Downthelane, where and when have the city council ever made any announcement that the land at Perdiswell won't be transferred? That information has never been mentioned in the public domain. So where could you have you got that from? The only people who are aware of conversations that have taken place are the Board of the club, the Board of the Trust and the City Councillors and Council employees involved in the Working Group, and all of those signed non-disclosure agreements. The City Council would consider any requests by a qualifying group to register Perdiswell as an Asset of Community Value, as is their obligation under the Localism Act. I don't think that anyone is suggesting that Perdiswell is the saviour of the football club, but it does offer a chance to keep the club going, and since leaving SGL, I for one havent seen or heard of any other scheme which offers any kind of hope, have you? You obviously know everything thats going been going on, intimately, so you know the score. Perdiswell might not be the panacea, but even bad breath is better than no breath at all.
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Apr 16, 2017 9:55:19 GMT
Because people are still being told it will happen. No, people are being told that there is a live planning application at the planning portal, and if they believe that this offers a future for WCFC, and they wish to make a comment, then they should do so at the portal. If thats what you mean by people being told it will happen, then thats what people are being told. Its not in the gift of anyone at the football club or the Supporters Trust to be able to predict the outcome of the planning hearing.
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Post by downthelane on Apr 16, 2017 9:58:24 GMT
From reliable sources.
Also you appear to misunderstand Assets of Community Vale. If Perdiswell were to be registered as an ACV that still doesn't mean the Council would lease the land to the club as a stadium, it simply protects land and property of value to the community from future disposal without having to give community groups the opportunity to be treated as a potential bidder.
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Post by downthelane on Apr 16, 2017 10:01:18 GMT
Planning permission is the least of the concerns. It is securing land control - no tenure of land equals no grants. Then it is securing enough money to pay for the stadium to be built.
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Post by creaner on Apr 16, 2017 10:12:42 GMT
From reliable sources. Also you appear to misunderstand Assets of Community Vale. If Perdiswell were to be registered as an ACV that still doesn't mean the Council would lease the land to the club as a stadium, it simply protects land and property of value to the community from future disposal without having to give community groups the opportunity to be treated as a potential bidder. And you seem to not understand the difference between ACV registration and Community Asset Transfer. Have a read mate, you might lower the blinkers for five minutes, this is what people do to try and save things that are important to them. locality.org.uk/And I'll ask again, what's your plan B? How will that be funded? Who will do the hard work to make it happen? Where is your mythical business plan? I still have my copy of the one Carl read out from, I will post it here later...
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Apr 16, 2017 10:18:26 GMT
Reliable sources? Ah right, that means rumour or fabrication, or, as we pretty well know now, you've broken your non-disclosure agreement. Pretty funny coming from someone so uptight about "Directors Responsibilities" And its funny because, your comments are so similar to comments given at a couple of the recent confidential meetings, which I know you know all about. And we reiterate our position, which is simply, no-one has even asked for land to be transferred, in any guise. No tenure of land equals no grants? Who has even mentioned grants? You are talking so much like someone who knows a bit about football finance! But who within the Supporters Trust has mentioned football grants? Read the Business Plan, you are one of the people who has had access to it, read it.
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Post by The Verner on Apr 16, 2017 10:22:26 GMT
For someone so clever...why havent you come forward with an offer to help ?
"Planning" is least of our concerns. How can you obtain permission of land without a planning application?
"No finances to build"...refer to my previous post....club havent a pot to pi $$ in so how would a Plan B, Plan C, Plan D all the way through to Plan Z ever be worked ?
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Post by downthelane on Apr 16, 2017 10:37:42 GMT
You used the term ACV registration in your post. Thank you for clarifying further what you meant.
I'm not party to any non-disclosure agreement. Perhaps my sources are but that is not my concern, and clearly many who post on here have their own sources close to the action who talk freely.
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Post by jupu on Apr 16, 2017 11:06:29 GMT
Planning permission is the least of the concerns. It is securing land control - no tenure of land equals no grants. Then it is securing enough money to pay for the stadium to be built. Planning permission,land control, securing enough money - aren't those three issues equally relevant for any stadium site?
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Post by creaner on Apr 16, 2017 11:17:06 GMT
You used the term ACV registration in your post. Thank you for clarifying further what you meant. I'm not party to any non-disclosure agreement. Perhaps my sources are but that is not my concern, and clearly many who post on here have their own sources close to the action who talk freely. Breaking confidentiality agreememts isn't your concern? Really? I signed and have not spoken "freely" with anyone. As far as I can tell the only secrets you can keep are your plan B; the money for plan B and your name!
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Apr 16, 2017 11:28:46 GMT
You used the term ACV registration in your post. Thank you for clarifying further what you meant. I'm not party to any non-disclosure agreement. Perhaps my sources are but that is not my concern, and clearly many who post on here have their own sources close to the action who talk freely. Well, we know who you are now, no mystery there! You know a lot of things that the ordinary Joe just wouldn't be aware of, whatsmore, you talk the lingo. A lot of people have said on many occasion that its a real shame that you never involved yourself in the process, three years was an incredible task to achieve, but with your knowledge, you know, it could have been sooner. Julian makes a good point, all your concerns about land tenure, finances to build etc. they apply to any site, and how long do you think it would take to get another planning application to this stage? You think it could be done in less than three years (ok, I know that that's the view of your "sources" ) and where will the £200,000 come from to pay for the planning application? You know the finances of the club as well as anyone. Or are your sources under the impression that someone else is going to magically design a ground, find the land, get planning consent, and also build the ground for the football club? In less than two years? I'd watch your sources if I was you, and in the words of Frank Abagnale Sr. " Don't get dazzled by the pin-stripes"
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Post by The Verner on Apr 16, 2017 12:27:02 GMT
I feel so sorry for the kids.
I play football at Dysons on a Monday night and one lot of the youth set up train there.
I watched them train while waiting for our game to start, those dubbed the future of the club.
In reality they dont have a future at this club, the club could well be gone inside 12 months....where will these kids go when its all gone, many will no doubt give up, some will play in the local leagues and never make it at a decent level.
Is Perdiswell the best option....yes....are there other sites ? Probably....
Is there time for anything other than Perdiswell......no chance
Even worse...i feel sorry for my boys, they dont understand or like football at their age and by the time they do....our local club is likely to be gone
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Post by richwidd on Apr 16, 2017 12:45:04 GMT
You used the term ACV registration in your post. Thank you for clarifying further what you meant. I'm not party to any non-disclosure agreement. Perhaps my sources are but that is not my concern, and clearly many who post on here have their own sources close to the action who talk freely. You really are a clueless idiot Downthelane.
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Post by downthelane on Apr 17, 2017 13:18:31 GMT
As I've said before I've got my sources who tell me what's going on. I've got my own thoughts about what would and wouldn't work for the club which just happen to be different from some on here, which upsets them.
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Apr 17, 2017 14:24:21 GMT
So how about sharing your thoughts? They might be ideas that save the club, but keeping them to yourself would be you signing the clubs death warrant. The Supporters Trust is all about being open to every possible new idea, new thought, but you've turned down every single offer to talk to anyone. Therefore, your thoughts, your ideas, are simply irrelevant, and your actions unbecoming of your position at the club.
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Post by downthelane on Apr 17, 2017 14:35:07 GMT
Like others, I want the club back in Worcester but I'd like to know what the big idea to fund the building of the stadium is because no one is saying how that's going to happen. As I understand it the Council isn't willing to transfer Perdiswell to the club/trust. If this is true then the planning permission is a just pointless piece of paper.
I wish I did have all the answers, but as I don't I'm having to ask lots of questions which others don't like.
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Apr 17, 2017 16:07:04 GMT
Yet again, what you're talking about is just wrong, who has mentioned any transfer of land to the club/trust? What kind of magic ball do you have that tells you (or your "sources", i.e. your reflection in the mirror) what a council in 2 or 3 years time is going to do in terms of working with the club or Trust? Your sources know exactly what the Business Plan looks like, as they've all seen it, and it has been amended by your sources too, but you know that. So you already know the answer to the funding question don't you.
"I've got my own thoughts about what would and wouldn't work for the club" Your words, so why are you so reluctant to share them with anyone? oh yes, of course, collective responsibility!
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Post by thesecondjack on Apr 17, 2017 22:48:59 GMT
The Cap N Gown pub in the Tyhthing is holding county council hustings over the next two weeks, the first was tonight. Although Perdiswell planning is an issue for the City council, a fair few of the faces you'd expect turned up, like Louis Stephen of the Greens, Paul Denham (Labour) etc. The club and perdiswell were both mentioned tonight in questions by the pub, towards the candidates, and I suspect it will continue to do so throughout each debate. Potentially worth popping down, the next one is at 8pm on Wednesday.
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Post by Woodenose on Apr 19, 2017 9:29:54 GMT
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Post by richwidd on Apr 19, 2017 16:02:10 GMT
Like others, I want the club back in Worcester but I'd like to know what the big idea to fund the building of the stadium is because no one is saying how that's going to happen. As I understand it the Council isn't willing to transfer Perdiswell to the club/trust. If this is true then the planning permission is a just pointless piece of paper. I wish I did have all the answers, but as I don't I'm having to ask lots of questions which others don't like. You don't have ANY answers downthelane. You haven't answered a single question in the short space of time you have been contributing your rubbish on this banter board.
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Post by downthelane on Apr 19, 2017 17:57:21 GMT
No need to shout richwidd 😱
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Post by Croc on Apr 19, 2017 19:02:00 GMT
No need to shout richwidd 😱
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Apr 19, 2017 19:16:50 GMT
Did you ever get any further response from Gareth Jones, Chris?
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Post by Croc on Apr 19, 2017 19:34:12 GMT
Did you ever get any further response from Gareth Jones, Chris? Nothing at all...
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Post by Woodenose on Apr 20, 2017 18:06:45 GMT
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Post by downthelane on Apr 26, 2017 7:36:35 GMT
So is the 25 May meeting a definite now? Worcester needs to turn out in large numbers to show the councillors just how important it is for the football club to return home.
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Post by The Verner on Apr 26, 2017 9:19:34 GMT
So is the 25 May meeting a definite now? Worcester needs to turn out in large numbers to show the councillors just how important it is for the football club to return home. You make it sound like this is our only option of getting back in the City !
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Post by Tim Munslow on Apr 26, 2017 9:24:43 GMT
The last thing the club wants is for a (probably rowdy) group of supporters making a noise outside the Guildhall whilst the planning committee meets. You can just imagine the scenario with chanting such as "What do we want, when do we want it" or worse going on: just the ammunition opponents of the scheme want to make their case against!
Orderly rational debate would do far more to promote the trust's case.
I am opposed to any "turn out in large numbers to show the councillors...". All it will do is tip the undecided against the plan; they will simply say "well look at the sort of thing the residents will have to put with if we vote this through". I am opposed to any such action.
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