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Post by The Verner on Nov 24, 2016 13:10:11 GMT
Agreed, and it would be helpful if silly little kids, with no authority within the club, could refrain from posting misleading information on here and confusing potential supporters. Better get the news from official sources once its released than relying on a kid who sells the programmes and his dad! I'm sure the club have no intention of alienating season ticket holders by suggesting that their season ticket is invalid for certain games, that would be rather silly. Dont forget Season Ticket Holders may be able to exchange for more than just one ticket...just like they did for the Chester game, and the reason I didnt mention this is because I am not party to the information on how many they might get. Kiddy for example have decided to sell 1 ticket per season ticket holder because they only have a small allocation. As I said....everyone hold their horses and be patient because the final bits and bobs were discussed at this weeks board meeting and i am not wholly privvy to what was agreed. To be fair to Jack....he wasnt totally wrong in what he said, tickets will be sold/exchanged whatever at the Fylde game...thats a certain thing. Yes there could be concern that Kiddy fans will try to purchase tickets for the home end...he wasnt totally wrong
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Nov 24, 2016 15:40:07 GMT
The difference is of course, a Kidderminster Harriers season ticket is not valid for this or any other WCFC game. But a WCFC season ticket is valid for this game, so the idea of exchanging for a voucher is ludicrous. Giving preferential rights to purchase further tickets to season ticket holders is a different matter altogether.
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Post by cityticketswanted on Nov 25, 2016 22:36:01 GMT
I will give someone £50 for a ticket for Boxing Day.
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Post by The Verner on Nov 25, 2016 22:37:32 GMT
I will give someone £50 for a ticket for Boxing Day. Sounds like a good deal, which end would you like ?
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Post by cityticketswanted on Nov 25, 2016 23:28:24 GMT
I will give someone £50 for a ticket for Boxing Day. Sounds like a good deal, which end would you like ? Kiddie end if not I will join you lot and make friends that way.
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Post by The Verner on Nov 25, 2016 23:36:24 GMT
Sounds like a good deal, which end would you like ? Kiddie end if not I will join you lot and make friends that way. Well....away tickets will be sold via Harriers tomorrow and Monday. No tickets will be sold to Kidderminster supporters for the home end
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Post by oxford on Nov 26, 2016 23:39:31 GMT
I too would assume that my 10 game ticket would guarantee me admittance to the home game. I'm sorry if I've missed something somewhere but has there been any info on the away game or does the better capacity of Aggborough(how I wish we were still there!)mean that pay on the day will be the order of things?
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Post by The Verner on Nov 27, 2016 11:09:14 GMT
I too would assume that my 10 game ticket would guarantee me admittance to the home game. I'm sorry if I've missed something somewhere but has there been any info on the away game or does the better capacity of Aggborough(how I wish we were still there!)mean that pay on the day will be the order of things? Away match will also be all ticket so i was told last week
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Post by zeke on Nov 27, 2016 11:33:56 GMT
I see Kiddy sold 400 of their 800 allocation after the game yesterday. Only available to season ticket holders so far.
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Post by lancashirelad on Nov 27, 2016 12:19:19 GMT
I see Kiddy sold 400 of their 800 allocation after the game yesterday. Only available to season ticket holders so far. Whats the capcity at VG for the Kiddy game?
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Post by zeke on Nov 27, 2016 12:33:14 GMT
I see Kiddy sold 400 of their 800 allocation after the game yesterday. Only available to season ticket holders so far. Whats the capcity at VG for the Kiddy game? 2000 according to thesecondjack.
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Post by lancashirelad on Nov 27, 2016 20:01:39 GMT
Whats the capcity at VG for the Kiddy game? 2000 according to thesecondjack. Crikey - 2,000 - thats not many! I thought that we needed a minimum of 3,000 at VG to get a Grade B (for National League North - step 2) - and then plans for 4,000 by 31st March? "1.3 Capacity The Stadium must have a minimum capacity of 3,000 calculated by a competent person in accordance with the guidance given in the Guide to Safety at Sports Grounds (Green Guide). There must also be potential to increase the capacity to 4,000 in the future and a Club must, by the 31st March following the date of inspection, demonstrate how this capacity can be achieved."
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Post by zeke on Nov 27, 2016 22:08:24 GMT
4893 according to Wikipedia and a few other football ground sites so 40 percent (if 2000) for away fans seems a bit high
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Post by The Verner on Nov 27, 2016 23:56:10 GMT
Wrong on both counts. Speculation helps nobody guys, details will be announced imminently
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Post by The Verner on Nov 28, 2016 13:38:33 GMT
Monday 26th December 2016 – Victoria Ground (3.00pm kick off)
The following announcement covers match day arrangements for our forthcoming Boxing Day game against Kidderminster Harriers
Following ongoing discussions with our Safety Advisory Group colleagues it has been agreed that this match will be ALL TICKET for all supporters.
Whilst the current capacity for the Victoria Ground is in excess of 3,000, taking account of the profile and timing of the fixture and in order to accommodate all supporters safely, the capacity for this particular game has been restricted to 2,000. The Club is therefore required to operate within these limits.
It is anticipated that there will be a high demand for tickets. The detailed arrangements being put in place aim to ensure that the capacity for the game is adhered to and all supporters wishing to attend the game have the opportunity to do so.
The Club would wish to thank supporters for their understanding and co-operation in ensuring that the day is both safe and successful.
Arrangements for Season Ticket Holders
Supporters holding a full Season Ticket already have a valid match day tickets for this game as part of their Season Ticket. Season Ticket Holders will be able to gain entry to the game by producing the voucher for Match Number 11 from their Season Ticket Book at the turnstile on the day.
Any Season Ticket holder who wishes to have access to the Main Stand may, however, wish to exchange their Season Ticket Voucher for a Stand ticket to guarantee a seat for the game.
Season Ticket holders will be able to exchange their Season Ticket Voucher before our game against AFC Fylde on 3rd December 2016. Arrangements are being made for tickets to be available between 1.30pm and 2.45pm from inside the ground. Season Ticket Holders will also have the opportunity at this point to purchase a further two tickets.
Any Season Ticket holder who wishes to exchange their Season Ticket voucher for a Stand ticket but who cannot attend the AFC Fylde game will need to contact the Club johnjordan@worcestercityfc.co.uk to make appropriate arrangements. Additional tickets will not be able to be purchased using this facility.
Holders of 10 Game Tickets
Holders of 10 Game Tickets who wish to attend this game will need to exchange the requisite number of tickets from their booklet for valid match tickets. 10 game tickets cannot be used on the day. Again, 10 game ticket holders will be able to exchange their 10 game tickets before our game against AFC Fylde. Arrangements are being made for tickets to be available between 1.30pm and 2.45pm from inside the ground. Holders of 10 game tickets will also have the opportunity at this point to purchase a further two tickets.
Any holder of a 10 Game Ticket who wishes to exchange tickets from their 10 Game Ticket book but who cannot attend the AFC Fylde game will need to contact the Club johnjordan@worcestercityfc.co.uk to make appropriate arrangements. Additional tickets will not be able to be purchased using this facility.
Additionally, due to the limited availability of tickets supporters are asked to note that anyone purchasing a 10 Game Ticket after 28th November 2016 will only be permitted to exchange 1 ticket from their booklet. Supporters will be advised of this restriction at the time of purchase.
General Ticket Sales
Those Supporters, who are not season ticket or 10 game ticket holders, and who wish to purchase match tickets will also be able to do so before our home game against AFC Fylde on 3rd December 2016 (between 1.30pm and 2.45pm from inside the ground).
Ticket Prices are as follows:-
Adult - £13.00 Concession - £9.00 Young Adult - £6.00 Junior - £3.00
Payment must be by cash only. No cards or cheques can be accepted.
There are a limited number of stand tickets available and access to the Main Stand will be strictly ticket only. Supporters wishing to use the Main Stand are therefore advised to acquire a Main Stand ticket at the time of purchase or exchange.
To ensure that tickets are evenly distributed, a maximum of 2 tickets per person may be purchased. Also, given the likely demand for tickets, additional checks will also be put in place at the point of sale to ensure that tickets are not sold to any Kidderminster Harriers supporters who may attend this particular game for the purpose of obtaining tickets.
The general sale of tickets at the AFC Fylde game will be on a first come first served basis and subject to availability.
Following the AFC Fylde game, any unsold tickets will be available to purchase via the Worcester Tourist Information Centre on a first come first served basis and subject to availability. Further detailed announcements about availability and times of sale will be made in due course.
Online Sales In order to effectively control the sale of tickets, there will be no online sales for this particular fixture.
Future Updates Regular updates regarding ticket availability and arrangements for the sale of tickets will be posted in the lead up to this game and supporters are encouraged to regularly visit the website.
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Post by zeke on Nov 28, 2016 15:02:14 GMT
Monday 26th December 2016 – Victoria Ground (3.00pm kick off)additional checks will also be put in place at the point of sale to ensure that tickets are not sold to any Kidderminster Harriers supporters who may attend this particular game for the purpose of obtaining tickets. That's not going to be easy to judge?
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Post by oakfield10 on Nov 28, 2016 15:10:30 GMT
Monday 26th December 2016 – Victoria Ground (3.00pm kick off)additional checks will also be put in place at the point of sale to ensure that tickets are not sold to any Kidderminster Harriers supporters who may attend this particular game for the purpose of obtaining tickets. That's not going to be easy to judge? As I explained earlier in this thread I am a local Bromsgrove resident who wants to attend essentially as a neutral. Will it help if I bring my ID to the Fylde match showing that I live within walking distance of the ground? Not quite sure how I am supposed to show that I don't support a particular team. Pretty much impossible to prove a negative.
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Post by The Verner on Nov 28, 2016 15:12:34 GMT
We will be using Kidderminster staff to help pick out any known Harriers supporters.
Oakfield I dont see you having a problem, however, if you have your ID handy then it wouldnt hurt
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Post by Croc on Nov 28, 2016 16:32:07 GMT
Just a couple of quick questions Kev:
Will there be tickets available on the gate on the day if there are still some unsold?
The second paragraph about ST Holders emailing the club - what about those of an advanced age who do not know about email or those who don't have access to such a system - what would they need to do?
Finally - will this announcement be going into the local press (as well as the club website) to publicise the measures in place. What if a ST holder who doesn't know about any of this turns up on the day - only to be denied entry due to the 2000 capacity being reached?
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Post by The Verner on Nov 28, 2016 17:21:01 GMT
Just a couple of quick questions Kev: Will there be tickets available on the gate on the day if there are still some unsold? The second paragraph about ST Holders emailing the club - what about those of an advanced age who do not know about email or those who don't have access to such a system - what would they need to do? Finally - will this announcement be going into the local press (as well as the club website) to publicise the measures in place. What if a ST holder who doesn't know about any of this turns up on the day - only to be denied entry due to the 2000 capacity being reached? There will be NO on the day sales The club know the number of season ticket holders and 10 gamers, the correct numbers have already been put a side to ensure all have ticket. Anyone not on email can call the club anytime and explain the situation, as i say the club know ticket holders details. The announcement has been made via website and Social Medias prior to my post. The WN have of course made a stupid headlie about it also !
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Post by crosscountrymark on Nov 29, 2016 16:17:12 GMT
Kidderminster Harriers have sold out their 800 ticket allocation for Boxing day today.
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Post by alwaysnextyear on Nov 30, 2016 0:39:01 GMT
" Whilst the current capacity for the Victoria Ground is in excess of 3,000, taking account of the profile and timing of the fixture and in order to accommodate all supporters safely, the capacity for this particular game has been restricted to 2,000. The Club is therefore required to operate within these limits."
Is it just me who doesn't understand this ?
The capacity is in excess of 3,000, but only 2,000 can be accommodated safely ! So how can the capacity be in excess of 3,000 then, if they can't all be accommodated safely ? What has "profile and timing " got to do with anything ?
Our biggest potential crowd on a Bank Holiday against our arch rivals who we haven't played against in the League for over 30 years, yet we restrict the ground capacity !
Please can someone explain.
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Post by sparkyukworcester on Nov 30, 2016 5:13:31 GMT
Yes - it can be explained but it's complicated. So here goes...
Running sports events, even at this level, come under exactly the same legislation and guidelines as a Premier League ground. This means that the bible for running any event is The Green Guide - look it up - it's a riveting read!
In here, the capacity of any event is determined by a number of factors known as 'P' - physical factors (the construction and facilities installed at the ground) and 'S' - safety factors. This is a bit more fluid and can change from event to event, it depends on risks and management of those risks.
So, in short, a ground can have a capacity based on the number of people who can theoretically be accommodated. This is all worked out with crush barriers and turnstiles and exits and all sorts of physical factors. However, the local Safety Advisory Group (made up of Fire, Police, Local Authority) experts have effectively deemed that the safety factors involved in this fixture mean that they want to limit the working capacity for that event to ensure crowd safety. This is largely because of the situation - safety team managing first 'sell out' event at a new ground that hasn't seen that size of crowd for years and years. Segregation has been installed but barely 'tested' with the 9 fixtures so far this season. Plus the potential melting pot of a Boxing Day fixture involving two rival clubs who haven't played in anger for many years.
If the event were deemed to be run successfully then the SAG might turn around and say well done, all went well, next time you can have 2,500 or 3,000 for this fixture. Also if this was a friendly sell out game like City Legends v Liverpool Legends (as a few years ago) the safety factors would be different and then capacity might be different.
It's a cautious but widely respected process. Look at what happened at West Ham this season. The ground had not been set up properly and it caused issues that had not been foreseen. This was even after they had had their capacity 'limited' in just the same way from the absolute capacity of the ground.
So, just like you wouldn't allow your 17 year old son who has just passed his test to drive his new, unfamiliar car at full speed on a wet motorway in rush hour, so the SAG look at the potential risks and make an appropriate decision. The club merely abides by the decision.
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Post by creaner on Nov 30, 2016 7:12:39 GMT
Very clear explanation Sparky and eminently sensible. Hopefully a safe and happy outcome for all.
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Post by cityman on Nov 30, 2016 9:02:18 GMT
Simple solution would be to play the game at Kidderminster's ground, we would all be safe then.
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Post by auldreekie on Nov 30, 2016 10:14:13 GMT
Yes - it can be explained but it's complicated. So here goes... Thanks Sparky that is an excellent layman’s summary. We have also had the benefit of Verner’s knowledge of the detail of the regulations in many other posts to help us understand the rules. It is a sad fact of life that the significant changes to regulations for safety at football grounds are the result of learning lessons from disasters. For those who may be interested in this part of the history of the game then ground safety capacities as we know them today were first proposed after the Burnden Park disaster in 1946. The recommendations in the report included inspections of the enclosures, scientific calculation of the maximum number to be allowed entry, counting those entering the ground by mechanical means and central coordination of the system, all to ensure the admission of a safe number of spectators. However, the ground licencing recommendations were not introduced until much later. Spectators had previously been counted but that was as much to do with accounting for Entertainment Tax as managing ground capacity. Up until then ground capacities were an engineering calculation where each standing spectator was allocated “x” square feet and the standing capacity was calculated by dividing this number into the area of terracing and then adding the numbers of seats in the grandstand(s). So the largest football ground in the UK at the time, Hampden Park in Glasgow, had a calculated capacity of 163,782 to keep the terracing gangways clear and 183,688 if spectators were permitted to stand in the gangways. The largest recorded attendance at the ground was just under 150,000 when the ground was full. In 1939 a spectator took Glasgow Rangers to court for £300 damages following injuries sustained due to alleged overcrowding in a crowd of 118,000 at Ibrox Park. One of the defences in claiming that there was no overcrowding was evidence of a calculation of a capacity of 136,940. One final point - I remember reading, but I am not sure if it is just an urban myth, that at the old Wembley Stadium the capacity at the Rugby League Cup Final was reduced from the football capacity of 100,000 to 95,000 as Rugby League fans were on average bigger and broader than football supporters.
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Post by Croc on Nov 30, 2016 10:31:13 GMT
Simple solution would be to play the game at Kidderminster's ground, we would all be safe then. I'd be dead against that - why give up a "home" fixture and the stuff that comes from that (such as probably having to foot the bill for extra stewards, rent of Aggborough for that game, loss of other takings such as food/drink) just to keep some more people happy. Plus it would hand Harriers an extra advantage by being in familiar surroundings.
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Post by The Verner on Nov 30, 2016 10:55:10 GMT
Yes - it can be explained but it's complicated. So here goes... Running sports events, even at this level, come under exactly the same legislation and guidelines as a Premier League ground. This means that the bible for running any event is The Green Guide - look it up - it's a riveting read! In here, the capacity of any event is determined by a number of factors known as 'P' - physical factors (the construction and facilities installed at the ground) and 'S' - safety factors. This is a bit more fluid and can change from event to event, it depends on risks and management of those risks. So, in short, a ground can have a capacity based on the number of people who can theoretically be accommodated. This is all worked out with crush barriers and turnstiles and exits and all sorts of physical factors. However, the local Safety Advisory Group (made up of Fire, Police, Local Authority) experts have effectively deemed that the safety factors involved in this fixture mean that they want to limit the working capacity for that event to ensure crowd safety. This is largely because of the situation - safety team managing first 'sell out' event at a new ground that hasn't seen that size of crowd for years and years. Segregation has been installed but barely 'tested' with the 9 fixtures so far this season. Plus the potential melting pot of a Boxing Day fixture involving two rival clubs who haven't played in anger for many years. If the event were deemed to be run successfully then the SAG might turn around and say well done, all went well, next time you can have 2,500 or 3,000 for this fixture. Also if this was a friendly sell out game like City Legends v Liverpool Legends (as a few years ago) the safety factors would be different and then capacity might be different. It's a cautious but widely respected process. Look at what happened at West Ham this season. The ground had not been set up properly and it caused issues that had not been foreseen. This was even after they had had their capacity 'limited' in just the same way from the absolute capacity of the ground. So, just like you wouldn't allow your 17 year old son who has just passed his test to drive his new, unfamiliar car at full speed on a wet motorway in rush hour, so the SAG look at the potential risks and make an appropriate decision. The club merely abides by the decision. Taught you well Would like my Green Guide back when youve finished with it
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Post by cloud on Nov 30, 2016 11:27:29 GMT
"Following the AFC Fylde game, any unsold tickets will be available to purchase via the Worcester Tourist Information Centre on a first come first served basis and subject to availability. Further detailed announcements about availability and times of sale will be made in due course."
The remaining thing that now needs to be focused on, is how to prevent Kiddy fans buying these tickets.
They were queuing up early to get them from Aggy when on general sale, so there's a high demand their end.
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Post by The Verner on Nov 30, 2016 11:32:00 GMT
Now taking everything into account of comments and the recent capacity change maybe now people will understand why the ground at this current time cannot be switched around simply to keep everyone dry should it rain. That end of the ground including the seats only holds 800. No matter who we play that area is 800.
If we had switched it around, Kiddy would have had 1,200 tickets and sold out, we would have had just 800 tickets and could not be sure we would sell out, they would then have an advantage !
Are we looking at ways in which we can increase the working capacity and change it around ? Yes we are, but these things take time, successful events to show we can manage a new venue etc and of course money....something this football club does not have !
I would hope that following the Kiddy game and it being successful I can talk to my colleagues at the SAG and ask for an increase prior to the FC United game.
People must remember this is with regards to the venue and not our previous experiences of managing big events. AFC Wimbledon, Kidderminster, Chester etc at St Georges Lane don't count, FC United and Scunthorpe at Aggborough do not count, its about managing events at this new venue. Also we had the capacity at St Georges Lane reduced prior to the Chester game, the Scunthorpe game reduced at Aggborough this is nothing new.
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