An announcement on the ground move...

[colinlayland]

If you think the City's got financial problems, spare a thought for Coventry. £35 million in the red and they do not own their ground.

[bobbyg]

Yeh I've heard about them- it isnt looking good

[carsten]

niels said:

carsten said:

and anyway if you buy a house with a view you have to accept that you have no entitlement to that view.

Exactly. When I bought my house it had a lovely view of the Malvern Hills but by the time I moved in there was just a view of some 4 storey houses.

carsten said:

At least they've now got someone with a Worcester connection. Decent bloke Peter Walker.

How exactly was Peter Walker a decent bloke? He was a senior member of the Thatcher government for God's sake.

You've answered your own question

[carsten]

ealing said:

He was Jim Slater's partner. Unforgivable.

And Jim Slater was guilty of?

[niels]

carsten said:

niels said:

How exactly was Peter Walker a decent bloke? He was a senior member of the Thatcher government for God's sake.

You've answered your own question

So Dave was wrong, you are not Brooksider, even he would not be that stupid.

I have many regrets in life and one of them is that when the coal miners dumped a lorry load of coal on Walker's drive he wasn't under it.

[carsten]

Why? You judge a man simply by the way he votes and if its not to your liking, then he's not a decent man? Just for a minute forget he was a pink Tory and tell me what was not decent about Peter Walker?

[niels]

I'm sure Saddam Hussein was very nice to his family, friends and supporters. You can't separate a person and their politics, he was part of an selfish plan which is responsible for the mess we are in today. He didn't have to, but he chose to. Hardly decent.

[tim]

You'll go a long way to find a politician with more integrity than Peter Walker. You'll recall he was one of the few that stood up to some of Thatcher's ways. As the MP for Worcester he continually represented the interests of his constituents, and after all that is what he was elected to do. I have no doubt that his son will follow in the same vein.

[dave]

niels said:

carsten said:

You've answered your own question

So Dave was wrong, you are not Brooksider, even he would not be that stupid.

I would not be so sure. By the way Lady T visited Worcester last weekend. By all accounts she had a coffee at Cafe Rouge and had her hair done in Friar Street before viewing the flood recovery at New Road.

God bless Baroness Thatcher!

[cg]

tim said:

You'll go a long way to find a politician with more integrity than Peter Walker. You'll recall he was one of the few that stood up to some of Thatcher's ways. As the MP for Worcester he continually represented the interests of his constituents, and after all that is what he was elected to do. I have no doubt that his son will follow in the same vein.

Peter Walker may not have been a strident Thatcherite but he served in her cabinet during the bitter Miners Strike (as Energy Minister) so was an ally of sorts and he left his business partner, Jim Slater, in the lurch when their asset-stripping business hit the buffers. Some integrity.

[colinlayland]

As some one who as not got a clue about politics,will it not be Gorden Browns legacy to be remembered for asset stripping of pension funds when he was Chancellor of the Exchequer?

[Deleted]

Asset stripping to enable a company/industry to re-invest can be a positive move, WCFC are doing it in a way themselves. It creates renewal. However I don't think that's what happened with Mr Slater, I believe he was serving his own interests. I'll not say any more as I don't want my opinions to get this board into legal poo. The fact that Keith Joseph was reported to have forced Slater Walker (or Slater-Nazi as Private Eye knew it) to wind up in order to avoid embarrassment to the Thatcher government, speaks volumes.

[cg]

colinlayland said:

As some one who as not got a clue about politics,will it not be Gorden Browns legacy to be remembered for asset stripping of pension funds when he was Chancellor of the Exchequer?

Maybe but I think he's more likely to be remembered as the steward of a stable economy for the past ten years.

Er...but what has this got to do with the City's ground move? I merely mentioned that Mike Foster has backed it all the way (5 pages ago) as statement od fact. I don't know what Robin Walker or the local Tories think because he wasn't at last week's press conference and to my knowledge hasn't spoken out on this subject. Actually his dad was probably a cub MP when this saga started!!

[colinlayland]

cg said:

colinlayland said:

As some one who as not got a clue about politics,will it not be Gorden Browns legacy to be remembered for asset stripping of pension funds when he was Chancellor of the Exchequer?

Maybe but I think he's more likely to be remembered as the steward of a stable economy for the past ten years.

Er...but what has this got to do with the City's ground move? I merely mentioned that Mike Foster has backed it all the way (5 pages ago) as statement od fact. I don't know what Robin Walker or the local Tories think because he wasn't at last week's press conference and to my knowledge hasn't spoken out on this subject. Actually his dad was probably a cub MP when this saga started!!

Maybe he knows were his bread is buttered when you look at the gates at the Rugby and the cricket,if it was a opinion pole he would be elected by a large majority,AND CONGRATULATIONS JEM I THOUGHT NO ONE WOULD BITE ON THIS ONE.

[niels]

Sometimes you just have to. Many things written on the web become fact unless they are challenged. After all Mazey, Hannah etc will probably have no idea who Peter Walker is. Now at least they know a bit and know that opinion is fiercely divided on him.

[cg]

niels said:

Sometimes you just have to. Many things written on the web become fact unless they are challenged. After all Mazey, Hannah etc will probably have no idea who Peter Walker is. Now at least they know a bit and know that opinion is fiercely divided on him.

And that when they turn out to support (now illegal) bloodsports attended by a few deranged toffs and their serfs but can't get behind the national game you know where their colours are nailed (so its not about numbers, Colin). Easy to forget this lot backed Thatcher's stupid proposed ID card which would have killed football in the late 1980s.

And yes stop winding me up Jem!!

[carsten]

I'm not convinced that opinion is fiercely divided about Peter Walker, no more so than Arthur Scargill who damaged the mining industry far far more than Peter Walker ever did. To say you can't seperate a man from his politics is bunkum, politically I may or may not share the same camp as Neil Hamilton but having had a fantastic totally pissed up evening in his company I think he's an okay bloke, and as he said to me 'there is no politics anymore!' Which is a fair point, Peter Walker is probably further to the Left than the present Labour government.

[carsten]

niels said:

I'm sure Saddam Hussein was very nice to his family, friends and supporters. You can't separate a person and their politics, he was part of an selfish plan which is responsible for the mess we are in today. He didn't have to, but he chose to. Hardly decent.

I don't think he was , he murdered members of his own family, his friends and his supporters. He was also not a politician but a sadistic military dictator. Maybe Walker was one of the few to stand up to Thatcher and to challenge her from within. I suppose you could argue that if he didnt like it he didnt have to be there, but isnt that akin to saying that if you don't like the way things are run at St. Georges Lane then stop going?

[niels]

carsten said:

I'm not convinced that opinion is fiercely divided about Peter Walker, no more so than Arthur Scargill who damaged the mining industry far far more than Peter Walker ever did. To say you can't seperate a man from his politics is bunkum, politically I may or may not share the same camp as Neil Hamilton but having had a fantastic totally pissed up evening in his company I think he's an okay bloke, and as he said to me 'there is no politics anymore!' Which is a fair point, Peter Walker is probably further to the Left than the present Labour government.

You don't half talk some B***ocks Jeremy!

[cg]

carsten said:

I'm not convinced that opinion is fiercely divided about Peter Walker, no more so than Arthur Scargill who damaged the mining industry far far more than Peter Walker ever did. To say you can't seperate a man from his politics is bunkum, politically I may or may not share the same camp as Neil Hamilton but having had a fantastic totally pissed up evening in his company I think he's an okay bloke, and as he said to me 'there is no politics anymore!' Which is a fair point, Peter Walker is probably further to the Left than the present Labour government.

Where did you have a p*** up with Neil Hamilton- The Paris Ritz or Hilton at Mohammed Al Fayed's expense?

No more politics - was he ever a politician or just out for himself and his loathsome wife?

and, Jem, take your tongue out of your cheek

[carsten]

The irony was it was the Grand Hotel Brighton. we'd booked him to do the keynote speech after dinner, but you get him and his loathesome wife. Give him his due most of these talk circuit monkeys do their bit and leave straight away. Hamilton not only stayed to listen to the other speakers but for the after dinner dance, and then stayed on with us to drink the bar dry. I got the feeling that he was a very decent bloke who wasnt comfortable with all the publicity stuff he had to do to earn the money after he'd lost the lot in court. Its odd to think that Hamilton and Walker could possibly be members of the same political party really.

[niels]

carsten said:

I'm not convinced that opinion is fiercely divided about Peter Walker, no more so than Arthur Scargill who damaged the mining industry far far more than Peter Walker ever did.

I fiercely disagree with you!

[Bstander]

Back to the original topic

HE WON'T LET IT GO!


Letter in todays Worcester News

Stadium plan unlikely now as it’s ever been

SIR - A new stadium for Worcester City Football Club on Nunnery Way is as unlikely now as it was 10 years ago.

This is not the first time WCFC have beguiled developers by offering a planning Trojan horse onto green fields.

It's really the stadium that would be the enabling development' because all of the Greenfields along the M5 protection corridor (designated as such in the local plan to halt urban sprawl up to and along the motorway and Worcester's slide towards a commuter dormitory for Birmingham) would soon be lost too, under yet more concrete.


I reject the primacy of tenure premise WCFC are spinning. If seven of the 12 Guinness Premiership rugby teams ground-share, as do many other smaller rugby and football clubs, then it cannot be beyond WCFC and Worcester Rugby Club.

Besides, fixtures get re-arranged for snow, frost, fog, fire and flood - so a small number of clashing fixtures in a season could easily be rescheduled with some co-operation between reasonable people.

Sharing Sixways will save both WCFC and our green fields.

Worcester News should be pressing WCFC and WRC to talk again, for the first time in years and seriously this time, about a sensible commercial arrangement for ground-sharing.

ANDREW GUY, Whittington.

8:17am today

[cg]

tony said:

Back to the original topic

HE WON'T LET IT GO!


Letter in todays Worcester News

Stadium plan unlikely now as it’s ever been

SIR - A new stadium for Worcester City Football Club on Nunnery Way is as unlikely now as it was 10 years ago.

This is not the first time WCFC have beguiled developers by offering a planning Trojan horse onto green fields.

It's really the stadium that would be the enabling development' because all of the Greenfields along the M5 protection corridor (designated as such in the local plan to halt urban sprawl up to and along the motorway and Worcester's slide towards a commuter dormitory for Birmingham) would soon be lost too, under yet more concrete.


I reject the primacy of tenure premise WCFC are spinning. If seven of the 12 Guinness Premiership rugby teams ground-share, as do many other smaller rugby and football clubs, then it cannot be beyond WCFC and Worcester Rugby Club.

Besides, fixtures get re-arranged for snow, frost, fog, fire and flood - so a small number of clashing fixtures in a season could easily be rescheduled with some co-operation between reasonable people.

Sharing Sixways will save both WCFC and our green fields.

Worcester News should be pressing WCFC and WRC to talk again, for the first time in years and seriously this time, about a sensible commercial arrangement for ground-sharing.

ANDREW GUY, Whittington.

8:17am today

To be fair to him he has a point. A relatively small city like Worcester doesn't NEED two stadiums a couple of miles apart - but every one of those Guniness Premiership rugby clubs he quotes share football club grounds where, crowd-wise, they are the junior partners and most went cap-in-hand having rushed into professionalism and the creation of a costly Premier League. Basically they fit around the football clubs who own the grounds.

WRFC would, rightly, as the bigger more successful club, have first call on a groundshared Sixways - but football leagues demand primacy of tenure. I dare say this could change (though how much co-operation you'd get for rearranged fixtures from away teams is open to question) however WRFC don't need to groundshare and there is a scenerio where it could harm them.

If they are relegated and spiral into decline - gates already appear to be down - and they invite a football club who, with cleared debts, are suddenly on the up, to groundshare, their support could shift.

If what we've been led to believe is true - that Cecil doesn't want to groundshare - then WCFC have no option but to relocate to their own stadium - which is what they are doing.

Mr Guy's greenbelt backing onto the M5 is going to be lost either to WCFC and St Modwens or for housing whether he likes it or not.

But then he thinks SGL can easily be converted to a 10,000 all-seater stadia - so he clearly knows what he's talking about!

[wh]

What does this Guy expect to happen?
Sir Cecil and Dave are going to have a chat, then agree to ground share thus leaving St Modwen's with a plot of land they forked out £3.15M for but cant now do a thing with.

he needs to get real...

Also I wonder what the hidden agenda is that Mr Guy is reported to have in the projects failure?
from WN website, comment made by Jim Evans "Mr Guy might have more influence if he came clean about his own interest in this subject. There is no shame in fighting to preserve the greenspace around one`s own home.....but you are not simply a disinterested observer, are you, Andrew?" here is the item in question tinyurl.com/2cvz2x

Answers on a postcard

[cg]

I noticed that too, Wayne - wonder what it meant? Does anyone know anything about his background?

I think, actually, he doesn't want St Modwen's to develop the land at all Wayne. He'd prefer it to stay 'green and pleasant' - which is fair enough - 'cept it backs onto the motorway so isn't 'pucker' green belt.

Does anyone know if he also objected to the builidng and expansion of County Hall and St Richard's Hospice or the Countryside Centre or is it just football clubs he doesn't like?

[dave]

I look forward to parking my car across Mr Guy's driveway and trampling across his flowerbed when we kick the season off at the at Nunnery Way in 2009.

NIMBY d*ckhead! St Modwen's might will crush you like the insignificant little toad you are.

[niels]

Blimey, Dave! Did someone hide your paperclips.

[suv]

dave said:

I look forward to parking my car across Mr Guy's driveway and trampling across his flowerbed when we kick the season off at the at Nunnery Way in 2009.

NIMBY d*ckhead! St Modwen's might will crush you like the insignificant little toad you are.

Football in the community

So you'll be back for the 2009 season? do the words "Glory and Hunter"
mean anything to you!!!!!

[dave]

niels said:

Blimey, Dave! Did someone hide your paperclips.

No they encased my stapler in jelly!

And suv, if I was a Glory Hunter I would have given up watching City years ago!

I will return to the lane for the next game I am free to attend, my faith in the board has been (largely) restored and I have accepted the Chairman's apology (of sorts) over the "imminent announcement" debarcles.