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Post by Woodenose on Nov 7, 2017 14:21:20 GMT
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dragon
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Post by dragon on Nov 7, 2017 18:50:01 GMT
So what are we to do? I have always seen Mr Preece as `one of the good guys` working hard to ensure that there remains a WCFC even if it plays on some other club`s midden.
But recently any support of the Club`s pathetic Board has brought condemnation from members of the Trust that can`t make up its mind whether it exists to support City FC or not.
To me, Mr Preece seems to be attempting to heal the rift but it remains to be seen what `the other side` make of it. Guidance, please !
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Nov 7, 2017 19:20:12 GMT
There is no rift. The Supporters Trust are committed to fan ownership via community shares, either as a CBS, or a CIC, but as a community club. The Board of WCFC Ltd. wish to remain a limited company, limited by shares. The Supporters Trust isn't in existence to support City FC, that's the role of supporters whether they are in the Supporters Trust or not. There is no mind to make up, I refer you again to the objectives of Supporters Direct. I'm sure City FC have a perfectly good Supporters Club who are providing fund raising revenue for the football club.
Guidance? for what? There is no "other side" The Supporters Trust presented a plan for constitutional change, it was democratically rejected by a majority of shareholders. The ST presented a plan for community ownership to the Board, it was rejected. The ST presented a plan for Perdiswell, it was rejected by the Board. Thats ok, thats their prerogative. The Supporters Trust accept the Boards decisions to continue with revenue generation via share issues as the way forward as a Limited company. If Kevin Preece believes that this is the financial way forward for the company, then it's his right to join the board as a shareholder.
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Post by cogg on Nov 7, 2017 19:35:50 GMT
Jem, even you can't believe that statement !! No rift ? I've watched from afar these past 5 years so don't really have a right to comment, and I have not posted for all of those years but reading this forum recently all I see is a rift between genuine fans of our once great club. I agree with the those that stay away as I would not give any more money to the Board who have sold us down the river, I agree with the idea that Perdiswell is the correct long term solution, but to suggest that there is no rift is just childish....
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Nov 7, 2017 19:51:08 GMT
There is no rift in a negative sense of the word. From my perspective, I believe that the way the club is being run is wrong, but that's the way it is. From a Supporters Trust perspective, the ST believe in one set of objectives, the Board believe in another. I guess if you use the meaning of rift as "a difference of opinion" or "an open space" then yes there is a rift. But to suggest it is in need of healing is simply wrong, and probably not even possible.
In the case of the constitution of the company, there is no "middle ground" after all, it is two completely separate doctrines of running a business. It's like pregnancy, you either are, or you're not.
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Post by cogg on Nov 7, 2017 20:59:58 GMT
Fair enough, and this is why I don't post on here. Statements are read and misinterpreted by us all. The only way is to sit and talk and work this out. I also don't think there is the need for, or that it is possible to, heal the differences. The incumbents truly believe they are right and that their plans will succeed, just as Boddy did. The fact that WE know they are wrong and that they can't succeed is just annoying but what we have to put up with. I'll buy you a pint or two in London before Xmas and we can have a proper chat about the future. 'Childish' was the wrong word earlier, I was trying to type whilst doing other things and rushed my response, but I guess you know what I meant ;-)
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Nov 7, 2017 21:02:50 GMT
Childish, my bumhole! you smell...because you do!!
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Post by Bonzo Bitburg on Nov 7, 2017 22:53:55 GMT
I wonder how long he'll last until he gets totally pi**ed off with Hampson thwarting the prospect of an AGM?
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Post by wr4change on Nov 7, 2017 23:39:16 GMT
can I ask a question of Mr Preece - what experience do you take to the Board from a business as opposed to football perspective ?
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Post by Woodenose on Nov 8, 2017 7:52:17 GMT
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Post by jupu on Nov 8, 2017 8:41:59 GMT
It's good to hear that things are progressing. However I note that the December event is a public consultation. Last month the Chairman stated that the plan was to inform shareholders and season ticket holders about the proposals following this initial meeting, so I wonder if there will be a separate event for those of us who fall into one of those categories?
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Nov 8, 2017 9:48:48 GMT
Well, it's taken just one day for Hampson to undermine Preece! "An AGM is a must" has been replaced by Hampson with "An AGM will be held at an appropriate time"
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Post by Croc on Nov 8, 2017 18:18:49 GMT
Plus ca fecking change...
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Nov 8, 2017 18:38:42 GMT
Simply an insignificant shifty shifty of the deckchairs on the Titanic.
So Kev Preece is no longer in favour of the Perdiswell project? or the concept of community ownership via CBS? I look forward, as a shareholder, to putting those questions to him at the AGM that he has vowed to deliver.
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Post by dragon on Nov 8, 2017 20:10:20 GMT
Well there`s an oxymoron, a supporters trust whose job isn`t to support. In law they call it `passing off`, I believe, because the Worcester City in the title isn`t our Worcester City apparently ?
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Post by The sound and the fury on Nov 8, 2017 20:11:48 GMT
How long until the penny drops and the aroma of coffee permeates the morning atmosphere?
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Post by jupu on Nov 8, 2017 20:14:53 GMT
Well there`s an oxymoron, a supporters trust whose job isn`t to support. In law they call it `passing off`, I believe, because the Worcester City in the title isn`t our Worcester City apparently ? Sorry, I don't understand what you're trying to say here? |
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Nov 8, 2017 20:20:56 GMT
Well let me help you with the definition of a Supporters Trust, as defined by the "governing body" of Supporters Trusts, Supporters Direct
A supporters' trust is a formal, democratic and not-for-profit organisation of fans who attempt to strengthen the influence of supporters over the running of the club they support.
I hope that helps
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Post by alwaysnextyear on Nov 9, 2017 7:47:21 GMT
It's hard work with some isn't it ?
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Nov 9, 2017 10:45:28 GMT
I know, it seems that my whole life now I am legally "passing off" I'm no dowager but I've got Dowagers Hump, I've got Tennis Elbow but don't own a racket, and unfortunately my Brewers Droop has nothing to do with beer!!
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Post by dragon on Nov 9, 2017 12:18:23 GMT
Oh, I see, a kind of supporters trade union, passing themselves off as in support of WCFC but really at constant war with those who purport to run that wreck of a set-up.
Best leave them all in peace to spend the money in lost causes, I think !
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Nov 9, 2017 12:54:16 GMT
No, not a trades union at all, more like a building society, or a co-operative. A ST was initially constituted as an IPS, an independent provident society, just like a building society, before the government brought in CBS, and CIC A constituted company set up to strengthen supporters influence over the running of the club, whether that be through share ownership, through full ownership.
Most clubs owners reject the concept of community ownership, as it brings with it a one shareholder, one vote rule, meaning that all shareholders regardless of size are treated as equal. This is one of the reasons why most STs only ever become formally involved with the club when it collapses. Some, like Bradford Park Avenue, see the light before the end of the tunnel, and convert whilst still in a reasonable situation. So it doesn't need to be a situation of "constant war" as you put it. But, as Supporters Direct see over and over again, it often is. Take some time to talk to STs from places like Northwich, Enfield, Exeter, and Bromsgrove Sporting, its such a pity that all four of those clubs were reformed out of adversity.
A Supporters Trust is not, and never will be, a financial prop for a failing limited company. Worcester City already has a Supporters Club, who I imagine are raising thousands every year for the club. It would make no sense to have two Supporters Clubs.
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Post by B*ue dragonstander on Nov 11, 2017 21:11:14 GMT
Spot on Mr ‘sider.
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