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Post by Noboddy aka Lord Ealing on Oct 31, 2017 19:37:22 GMT
This is a genuine question and not an attempt to start a new club (yet). I'm just interested in whether fans, both those still watching home games and those boycotting, would support another side in the city. While back I suggested the name Worcester St George but that's fairly irrelevant.
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Post by maybe1day on Oct 31, 2017 20:05:52 GMT
Yes a new club might be the answer. But ask yourself this,why, there's to much friction and postetering to ever achieve a new club. I don't go anymore because it's a complete and utter mess the whole lot of it.
I'd love to watch my home club in Worcester, but it ain't gonna happen, there are loads of people who I know, think the same. Shame, we have missed the boat, no one is interested anymore, it's all so farcical, the trust and board will never ever see eye to eye so its the end RIP WCFC....A city with 100 thousand and a mere 500 hundred in fighting on what should be, shame on you all....im afraid rugby,basketball and cricket have passed you all by and are the future,wake up and smell the coffee...
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Post by Noboddy aka Lord Ealing on Nov 1, 2017 9:32:28 GMT
Who are these "all" that should feel the shame of this? What "posturing" have the Trust been guilty of? It appears to me you're trying to divide supporters and weaken the opposition to this shameful board. If anyone should be feeling shame it's those throwing stones at those people trying to rescue the club.
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Post by B*ue dragonstander on Nov 1, 2017 10:00:48 GMT
I wouldn’t go and watch an “alternative “ club at the moment. I am a City FC fan and that is the Club I want to watch. However watching at the current level has virtually no interest for me. It has all the attraction of an empty crisp packet. Travelling to Bromsgrove to watch low level amateur football has zero appeal.
Were the club to return to Worcester I would not go. If there was a rebirth of the existing Club ..which seems highly unlikely..and it played in Worcester then I would attend some matches even at the current level of play.
If the existing set up folds and a new Club is born then I would buy a season ticket although I may not attend many matches.
Confused? So am I !
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Post by Bonzo Bitburg on Nov 1, 2017 10:05:52 GMT
Why should I feel any shame. Wasn't me who sold the ground. Wasn't me who lost all the money. Wasn't me who got city a 3 league demotion through utter incompetence. There's a very small group of people to blame for this. Aim your fire at them. To say everyone should feel shame is a glib lazy comment born out of zero analysis of the situation.
Also what coffee should I wake up and smell. I'm not interested in rugby or basketball. I watch a bit of cricket but that doesn't clash so I'm going to refuse this demand on the grounds that I don't like the brand of coffee being offered.
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Nov 1, 2017 10:46:20 GMT
Posturing? I remember standing up at a meeting at the cricket ground back in 2007/8 and together with other Trust members, we presented our concerns regarding the future of Worcester City Football Club. We told the audience that if the company continued along their chosen path, it would lead to the club finding themselves penniless and homeless. We predicted the loss of SGL, the failure of Nunnery Way, the financial destruction, the inability to attract revenue through share ownership, the potential that the club could find itself unable to survive at Conference level. And WE were labelled as the troublemakers, who were trying to destroy the club! When Hampson first entered the fray, he was receptive to change, or at least he made out that he was receptive to change, he even said that Nunnery Way was a "dead duck" but still carried on with the project, which failed as predicted. The ST didn't posture, we went out to find a business model that could work for the club, community ownership. We worked with third parties to build a viable and sustainable business model, which was dismissed by the Board. When it was clear that we would become homeless, we went out looking for a solution to the ground issue, and delivered Perdiswell, no posturing, just action. We presented on numerous occasions to the Board , and were told, particularly by Colin Layland that "unless we could guarantee success, he wouldn't back it" to which I always said "the only guarantee is that if you carry on doing what you're doing, you will get the same results" and here we are now cultivating the results of their continuous failure. Now if you want to see posturing - read this. 2008-AGM-and-EGM.pdf (900.3 KB) |
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Post by harley on Nov 1, 2017 11:11:31 GMT
Posturing? I remember standing up at a meeting at the cricket ground back in 2007/8 and together with other Trust members, we presented our concerns regarding the future of Worcester City Football Club. We told the audience that if the company continued along their chosen path, it would lead to the club finding themselves penniless and homeless. We predicted the loss of SGL, the failure of Nunnery Way, the financial destruction, the inability to attract revenue through share ownership, the potential that the club could find itself unable to survive at Conference level. And WE were labelled as the troublemakers, who were trying to destroy the club! When Hampson first entered the fray, he was receptive to change, or at least he made out that he was receptive to change, he even said that Nunnery Way was a "dead duck" but still carried on with the project, which failed as predicted. The ST didn't posture, we went out to find a business model that could work for the club, community ownership. We worked with third parties to build a viable and sustainable business model, which was dismissed by the Board. When it was clear that we would become homeless, we went out looking for a solution to the ground issue, and delivered Perdiswell, no posturing, just action. We presented on numerous occasions to the Board , and were told, particularly by Colin Layland that "unless we could guarantee success, he wouldn't back it" to which I always said "the only guarantee is that if you carry on doing what you're doing, you will get the same results" and here we are now cultivating the results of their continuous failure. Now if you want to see posturing - read this. View AttachmentI have been reading all the posts in different threads that have spiralled down to a series of meaningless comments about working together, true supporters and numbers of ST members. Out of them all this quoted post hits every nail on every head. I was at that cricket ground meeting and also the county hall shareholders meeting. All the warnings have come true but some will still refuse to see the truth before their eyes. |
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Post by sleepinggiant on Nov 1, 2017 12:01:03 GMT
Posturing? I remember standing up at a meeting at the cricket ground back in 2007/8 and together with other Trust members, we presented our concerns regarding the future of Worcester City Football Club. We told the audience that if the company continued along their chosen path, it would lead to the club finding themselves penniless and homeless. We predicted the loss of SGL, the failure of Nunnery Way, the financial destruction, the inability to attract revenue through share ownership, the potential that the club could find itself unable to survive at Conference level. And WE were labelled as the troublemakers, who were trying to destroy the club! When Hampson first entered the fray, he was receptive to change, or at least he made out that he was receptive to change, he even said that Nunnery Way was a "dead duck" but still carried on with the project, which failed as predicted. The ST didn't posture, we went out to find a business model that could work for the club, community ownership. We worked with third parties to build a viable and sustainable business model, which was dismissed by the Board. When it was clear that we would become homeless, we went out looking for a solution to the ground issue, and delivered Perdiswell, no posturing, just action. We presented on numerous occasions to the Board , and were told, particularly by Colin Layland that "unless we could guarantee success, he wouldn't back it" to which I always said "the only guarantee is that if you carry on doing what you're doing, you will get the same results" and here we are now cultivating the results of their continuous failure. Now if you want to see posturing - read this. View AttachmentI have been reading all the posts in different threads that have spiralled down to a series of meaningless comments about working together, true supporters and numbers of ST members. Out of them all this quoted post hits every nail on every head. I was at that cricket ground meeting and also the county hall shareholders meeting. All the warnings have come true but some will still refuse to see the truth before their eyes. I find it utterly astonishing that a large number of people are still 'chucking stones' at the Supporters Trust and letting successive Directors off scot-free. It's almost an unacceptance that somebody with a formal role within the club could possibly be doing something that could harm it. If they cannot see the true position with so much evidence before their very eyes then they never will and it is not worth the effort and energy even trying to convince them. |
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Post by alwaysnextyear on Nov 1, 2017 12:54:59 GMT
The 2008 AGM and EGM PR bullshit from the Board takes some beating. The tackling of the three key tasks of the Board as stated could not have proved to be more of a disaster...........and Andy Mitchell of the Worcester News wonders why no one believes a word from Hampson and the other Board members ?
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Nov 1, 2017 13:41:58 GMT
The issue we had as a Supporters Trust when we first set up was that, no-one could feel the pain, no-one could see the pain, so everything we were saying could only be theoretic. But it was all based on solid theory, working with experts who knew far more about football club management past and present, and future, than we could ever have known. Now you would have thought that when the theory unfortunately became reality, more people would have felt the pain and thought "this can't continue" but sadly, that hasn't happened, and that hasn't happened at many other football clubs too.
The Supporters Trust have never said that they have all the answers, and we are always prepared to accept when we are wrong, and we are wrong at times. However, one thing we have always done is try and find a solution to the problems, and to understand the future problems too. We then put a plan together, and worked towards those objectives.
The one thing that always irks me personally, is that, through all of what has happened, the Board have never once looked at change, alternatives, or ways to improve the running of the business. Why, after Nunnery Way fell apart, did the Board never once look to find an alternative. I sat in a meeting once with Hampson where he stated that the club will lose around £150,000 year on year, so why, knowing that, did the Board still do nothing about it? This time last year we suddenly had to put all the players up for sale due to a financial crisis. Do people think that suddenly overnight, someone flicked a switch and the money evaporated?
There might be a level of excitement at the moment that the team is pushing for a promotion, but can the club compete financially at any level higher than we are now? Even the Chairman has said that there is no chance of competing at Conference level again, as they need to operate on a weekly wage of £15,000 and the club has never worked on a weekly wage of over £6,000 in the past! There's no additional non-football money coming in, other than a couple of sponsors, who might all be paying say a nominal £1000 a year each, which is nowhere near enough, they are probably paying around £500 each. Someone did buy £1000 of shares last season, but the club needs additional income in the mid ti high six figures to make a difference. And thats not even just my view, thats the view of the Chairman.
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Nov 1, 2017 13:52:49 GMT
But thereagain, what do I know? I'm just a ****head who doesnt show his face anymore ! Oh hahahahaha
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Post by sleepinggiant on Nov 1, 2017 13:55:01 GMT
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Nov 1, 2017 14:46:24 GMT
phew! panic over. All we want is to see what it is that we are all being asked to get behind!
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Post by B*ue dragonstander on Nov 1, 2017 15:36:57 GMT
Somehow our glorious leader manages to rearrange the letters of Parsonage Way and produce the word Bullshit. He is so clever.
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Post by wr4change on Nov 1, 2017 22:39:11 GMT
In my opinion there are very few people who could argue that the Board have screwed things up over a number of years, they stupidly sold SGL, have frittered away and squandered the proceeds and incurred losses at an unsustainable level. As a result of all of this we find ourselves trying to survive on crowds of around 300 in 9th tier of English football and homeless - basically a catalogue of failure.
The Trust have come along and attempted to resolve the issue of a stadium in Worcester, at the moment this has been declined but is up for appeal so maybe all is not lost. I sincerely hope that the Trusts good work eventually pays off.
However, what annoys me, and many others, is the continued reference to "the losses", "no AGM", "fraud" -- if there has been wrong doing by The Board that is illegal and can be proved then do something about it, however, if it can't be proved then draw a line under it and move on. They should not be able to get away with it but they probably have.
It seems too many people on the Trust are more hell bent in chasing the skeletons in The Boardroom cupboard than looking to the future. This is why some fans are saying turning their backs on The Trust .
I believe that a Community Structure is the way forward so concentrate on the delivery of this and Perdiswell instead of continually dragging up the past as you always do.
If I had a pound for every time I've heard people say "The Board and the Trust are as bad as each other, I've lost interest" I would be a rich man.
So my advice to The Trust as I have said recently is be positive, draw a line under the past and engage with supporters, don't be a closed shop and assume all the fans are behind you, win them over if they are not. With good PR and a sense of belonging to something positive that has some traction fans will cone on board.
I am not saying this is all someone else's work to do, but if people engage they are more likely to donate their time, efforts, money and ideas.
I await all your comments which I guess will shoot down my considered views.........
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Post by sleepinggiant on Nov 1, 2017 23:30:48 GMT
In my opinion there are very few people who could argue that the Board have screwed things up over a number of years, they stupidly sold SGL, have frittered away and squandered the proceeds and incurred losses at an unsustainable level. As a result of all of this we find ourselves trying to survive on crowds of around 300 in 9th tier of English football and homeless - basically a catalogue of failure. The Trust have come along and attempted to resolve the issue of a stadium in Worcester, at the moment this has been declined but is up for appeal so maybe all is not lost. I sincerely hope that the Trusts good work eventually pays off. However, what annoys me, and many others, is the continued reference to "the losses", "no AGM", "fraud" -- if there has been wrong doing by The Board that is illegal and can be proved then do something about it, however, if it can't be proved then draw a line under it and move on. They should not be able to get away with it but they probably have. It seems too many people on the Trust are more hell bent in chasing the skeletons in The Boardroom cupboard than looking to the future. This is why some fans are saying turning their backs on The Trust . I believe that a Community Structure is the way forward so concentrate on the delivery of this and Perdiswell instead of continually dragging up the past as you always do. If I had a pound for every time I've heard people say "The Board and the Trust are as bad as each other, I've lost interest" I would be a rich man. So my advice to The Trust as I have said recently is be positive, draw a line under the past and engage with supporters, don't be a closed shop and assume all the fans are behind you, win them over if they are not. With good PR and a sense of belonging to something positive that has some traction fans will cone on board. I am not saying this is all someone else's work to do, but if people engage they are more likely to donate their time, efforts, money and ideas. I await all your comments which I guess will shoot down my considered views......... I don't understand this. You say that the Trust should look to the future instead of the past. They are the only ones who have provided a clear plan for the future with the Perdiswell project and community ownership. It is also impossible to draw a line under the past whilst the wrong doers are still in full control. Nothing can ever change whilst the current regime is in place. Anybody genuinely believing that 'the Trust and Board are as bad as each other'' must have a screw loose. |
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Post by rushwickdon on Nov 1, 2017 23:38:10 GMT
It really is not a "faction" situation. We simply have a Board who do not want to engage with the supporters at any level and a Trust who are doing their best to bridge that (ever widening) gap. The Trust have made mistakes, of that there is no dispute, whereas the Board have been suspiciously quiet. Of course there is no proof in front of us that a "fraud" or whatever has taken/is taking place, but with the total lack of anything constructive coming from the Board, then questions are bound to be asked- and these questions are not even laughed off as preposterous, giving people cause to think that they may carry some weight.
But it certainly seems that the Trust want a football club back in Worcester, whereas the Board cannot produce any documentation to show that they want the same.
What do supporters of WCFC or its future incarnation want?
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Post by jupu on Nov 2, 2017 7:50:58 GMT
"If I had a pound for every time I've heard people say "The Board and the Trust are as bad as each other, I've lost interest" I would be a rich man."
I've never heard anyone say that until now. Are these people who go to games? Are we talking about thousands?
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Nov 2, 2017 11:35:30 GMT
In my opinion there are very few people who could argue that the Board have screwed things up over a number of years, they stupidly sold SGL, have frittered away and squandered the proceeds and incurred losses at an unsustainable level. As a result of all of this we find ourselves trying to survive on crowds of around 300 in 9th tier of English football and homeless - basically a catalogue of failure. The Trust have come along and attempted to resolve the issue of a stadium in Worcester, at the moment this has been declined but is up for appeal so maybe all is not lost. I sincerely hope that the Trusts good work eventually pays off. However, what annoys me, and many others, is the continued reference to "the losses", "no AGM", "fraud" -- if there has been wrong doing by The Board that is illegal and can be proved then do something about it, however, if it can't be proved then draw a line under it and move on. They should not be able to get away with it but they probably have. It seems too many people on the Trust are more hell bent in chasing the skeletons in The Boardroom cupboard than looking to the future. This is why some fans are saying turning their backs on The Trust . I believe that a Community Structure is the way forward so concentrate on the delivery of this and Perdiswell instead of continually dragging up the past as you always do. If I had a pound for every time I've heard people say "The Board and the Trust are as bad as each other, I've lost interest" I would be a rich man. So my advice to The Trust as I have said recently is be positive, draw a line under the past and engage with supporters, don't be a closed shop and assume all the fans are behind you, win them over if they are not. With good PR and a sense of belonging to something positive that has some traction fans will cone on board. I am not saying this is all someone else's work to do, but if people engage they are more likely to donate their time, efforts, money and ideas. I await all your comments which I guess will shoot down my considered views......... Losses aren't illegal, not having an AGM is not illegal. What shareholders (not the Trust) are asking for, is accountability, and it is fair to say that without accountability, one has to wonder whether the Board are upholding the interests of either the Company or the Shareholders. It is only right and proper that shareholders ask such questions. When a company makes substantial losses year on year, then it is the duty of shareholders to raise these issues, wouldn't you agree? Shareholders have seen the loss of assets valued once at £7.3 million, and have continued to ask questions as to how and why. The Supporters Trust didnt come along to sort out the stadium situation, they were formed back in 2004, with an agenda to work with the club to deliver a community owned football club, and one of the reasons for this was to mitigate losses, and provide a framework for revenue investment other than share ownership. However, the Supporters Trust can do no more on this agenda, as it requires constitutional change to make it happen. That is why shareholders called an EGM, where the Board did not support community ownership and actively instructed shareholders to vote against change. The Supporters Trust are not a closed shop, they have held regular public meetings, and I hope that you have attended some of them, they have also held annual meetings to present accounts, and to elect officers. At any of these meetings, you, and other supporters are quite welcome to question, and to challenge, the workings of the Trust. If you don't like how the Trust Directors go about their business, you are welcome to request their removal from the Board. Feel free to be critical of the Supporters Trust, criticism is an important part of democracy, and we work within a democracy. But please, let us know who you are and we will deal with your concerns. Have you emailed the Supporters Trust as was suggested? |
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Post by Bonzo Bitburg on Nov 2, 2017 11:44:01 GMT
He ain't listening Jem and nor are the people who say "The Board and the Trust are as bad as each other, I've lost interest"
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Post by wr4change on Nov 2, 2017 16:41:37 GMT
I am well aware that losses are not illegal - it was the "fraud" point I was referring to.
I guess what I mean is that supporters are becoming tired of what seems to be (it might not be intended to be) the constant bickering between all parties. So many people are just getting fed up with it all, hence the "bad as each other" comment.
What infuriates me with this BB is that comments are taken out of context and exaggerated.
I have not contacted The Trust as my only question was regarding membership numbers which has now been answered.
I would happily approach Dave or Rich if I wanted to ask any questions directly to them.
Col Nathan Jessup is clearly not prepared to listen to anything I may have to say, the above post proves that, so what is the point in trying to help ? (I make this statement because none of the positive comments I make are ever acknowledged).
I believe WE should take action, I was willing to assist but as I say everything here is negative and every post is jumped upon and pulled to shreds.
There is a saying that "if you bury your head in the sand up a likely to get a kick up the a**e" - That will be the rude awakening to the majority of fans if there is continued none action
I dare say this post will now be torn apart -- things need to change in The Trust and soon before they are just left chasing a lost cause.....
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Nov 2, 2017 17:10:16 GMT
Perfectly happy to listen to anything you have to say, email me directly jempitt@gmail.com I await your concerns.
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Nov 2, 2017 17:12:05 GMT
BTW, have you attended any of the Trust meetings? There's your forum to put forward any of the concerns that you have, and you've had over 10 years to do so, we are always here to listen, and take views on board, but we can't do that unless you tell us your views.
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Post by Bonzo Bitburg on Nov 2, 2017 19:00:53 GMT
It's an interesting little poll this. It does make me wonder whether there is any level of misery WCFC can sink to whereby people start saying "I've had enough of this lets do something else". A few seasons ago I would have said "this is the level". Apparently not.
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