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Post by thesecondjack on Oct 24, 2017 15:15:06 GMT
Don't worry, water off a ducks back!
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Fred
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Post by Fred on Oct 24, 2017 15:28:07 GMT
Some people seem to idolise players so much. Looks like the club have already made the decision to do bugger all as the press officer Jack Hundley is saying Chin up chaps. Wait and see what people are like to your face. A bit different to his comments about Palf, who he got banned. Only idiot that got him banned is the idiot who took it upon himself to grip a teenager/young adult around the throat. Unfortunately its always someones fault other than the ones involved! It was almost as stupid as the Everton fan striking a player recently while holding his son in his other arm Just to add, supporters, club members and trust members have all backed the decision, its only a select few who didnt
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Post by wr4change on Oct 24, 2017 15:54:51 GMT
I agree that Palf should have been banned for a period of time, but in my opinion so should the foul mouthed lads who were also involved in the scuffle at Shawbury (it was no more than that).
Interestingly the same young man was seen and heard goading Sherwood fans at the weekend with a tirade of abuse, but surprise surprise nothing was said.....
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Post by Bonzo Bitburg on Oct 25, 2017 1:43:42 GMT
Amidst all the Hollywood-style mutual back-slapping about the decision to pursue Perdiswell, coupled with posts loaded with derision, hatred and scorn for anything they don't like, from the trolls who hide behind the safety of their nom-de-plumes, perhaps it would be as well to consider the other point of view. So, acting as devil's advocate if nothing else, I would ask these two questions:- 1) Has it ever struck anyone that the Supporters Trust might just be WRONG in pursuing their appeal? 2) If there were 41 people at the meeting (I think that was the figure quoted on here) and the average attendance at "home" games this season is 355 (not including last Saturday) then those 41 people represent under 12% (one eighth) of the true supporters who pay at the gate, so how can they claim to be acting on behalf of the supporters? I sense a growing disconnect between The Supporters Trust and the actual supporters. So ok you organise a meeting of the true supporters and ask them what they want, before you make such vacuous statements - Simon Pitt. No non de plume here.
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Post by B*ue dragonstander on Oct 25, 2017 22:25:18 GMT
Is it the suggestion that the only true supporters are those that continue to pay at the gate to watch the matches?
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Post by Tim Munslow on Oct 27, 2017 11:46:24 GMT
That was entirely my suggestion: you can talk to me till you're blue in the face, but I reckon the true supporters are those that turn up to matches and pay at the gate, and you won't convince me otherwise.
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Post by jupu on Oct 27, 2017 12:01:19 GMT
Maybe a survey of everyone who pays on the gate would answer your question about support for Perdiswell, Tim? Of course some of those people will be Trust members.
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Post by rushwickdon on Oct 27, 2017 12:02:09 GMT
There really is no answer to that.
It simply beggars belief.
I suppose Mr Munslow believes that Wimbledon supporters should have continued to go through the gate, even if it meant going up to a town in Buckinghamshire to watch a home game.
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Oct 27, 2017 12:07:34 GMT
If it wasn't for those true supporters who boycotted Hereford United, they'd still have Agombar and Lonsdale tearing the club apart. What is your view on Wimbledon supporters who boycotted their club, and formed their own? I suppose the Coventry City supporters who boycotted (and eventually formed Coventry United) are not true supporters? How about the Northwich Victoria supporters who boycotted their club? Exeter City? Those supporters who refused to give their money to crooks? They're not true supporters? even though they now own the club? Tell Jim Dale and his Dad that they are not true supporters!
Personally I struggle to support incompetence and mismanagement, sometimes I think that football supporters deserve the shysters that come in and ruin their football clubs, its the very reason that the likes of Sami Muduroglu, John Russell and Mike Lewis get involved in football clubs. Even at Worcester City, no-one ever even questioned Barry Connally's inter-company loans? It's all so easy
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Oct 27, 2017 12:11:51 GMT
If I was a corrupt businessman, looking to launder money through a cash transactional business, I'd be looking for a non-league football club with a crowd of Tim Munslows willing to put the clean money in week in week out without question.
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Oct 27, 2017 12:29:23 GMT
Maybe a survey of everyone who pays on the gate would answer your question about support for Perdiswell, Tim? Of course some of those people will be Trust members. 25% of the attendees at games are complimentary, so they clearly aren't true supporters either. I tell you what Tim Munslow, if you want me to be a true supporter on your terms, will you pay the travel expenses for me to come up from Uxbridge for games? Its around 200 miles round trip, so at 25 mpg in my car, that'll be £40 a game please.
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Post by Bonzo Bitburg on Oct 27, 2017 12:57:33 GMT
Oh NOOOooooo... I'm not a true supporter. Ah well eh...
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Oct 27, 2017 13:03:19 GMT
I know, its kind of tough titties really! I've been to seen a couple of Uxbridge games, its a higher standard of football than City's Sunday league level, but still just £8 a game, and against teams like Aylesbury, Rushden and Diamonds, Cambridge City. I suppose that now makes me a true supporter? Nah, I couldn't give a flying flamingo about them ..
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Post by niels on Oct 27, 2017 13:08:39 GMT
What Tim is describing is actually called a customer. A true supporter cares about his or her club, and that includes how it's being run. Eg. I'm a customer of Lidl but I only care about whether they have the products that I want on the shelf when I am in there. Nothing else.
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Post by Croc on Oct 27, 2017 17:06:00 GMT
That was entirely my suggestion: you can talk to me till you're blue in the face, but I reckon the true supporters are those that turn up to matches and pay at the gate, and you won't convince me otherwise. Well that’s me up Nunnery Way without a paddle. Where can I turn my Supporters badge in?
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Post by ac on Oct 27, 2017 17:16:36 GMT
Rules me out as well. The only thing I've attended this season so far was half of the Trust meeting.
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Post by oxford on Oct 27, 2017 17:29:18 GMT
Mr. Munslow is entitled to his opinion. I think he couldn't possibly be more wrong but that's just my opinion. All I can say is that when he is watching the next 90 minutes of rubbish in someone else's ground,with no realistic prospect of anything ever getting better in the current circumstances, he can reflect in the happy knowledge that he has made the right choice.
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Post by Down The Pan on Oct 27, 2017 18:14:14 GMT
Maybe it's time now to leave it to Munslow and his true supporters to save the club. It's fine as all you need to do is turn up for 3 o clock on about 15 Saturdays through the year, and the odd Tuesday night too. That's all it takes. So overto you Munslow.
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Post by Tim Munslow on Oct 27, 2017 19:05:42 GMT
Amazing how an honestly held opinion can stoke the fires in the bellies of those of an opposing opinion. I seem to have been accused of supporting money laundering for a start, and Niels's analogy is totally incorrect: Lidl are in retail sales, and as anyone who's ever been in retail can tell you, there is no such thing as loyalty. Customers will vote with their feet if they can save tuppence. As for me paying for all exiled supporters travel that's just a fatuous statement.
As for "If it wasn't for those true supporters who boycotted Hereford United, they'd still have Agombar and Lonsdale tearing the club apart." Nothing to do with the boycott: Mr Agombar failed to come up with the money to support his claims and the law took its course. The analogy with Wimbledon is also false: we are not (quite) in the position of having the club bought up and moved miles and miles away.
Still, it HAS produced some lively debate! I am entitled to my opinion and I haven't heard much on here in response to the original questions I asked. If you don't believe me about the growing disconnect go and sample the opinions of the fans on the ground at the next home game.
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Post by jupu on Oct 27, 2017 20:12:55 GMT
That's pretty much what I suggested Tim, although maybe best to do it outside so as to ensure the people asked are paying customers. It sounds like you've canvassed some already?
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Post by oxford on Oct 27, 2017 21:11:18 GMT
I can understand not everyone agreeing with the supporters trust and Perdiswell etc but what I just cannot fathom is how anyone could still be putting their trust ,and cash, into the current regime who,along with their predecessors who,as I understand it, still hold immense power through shares etc,have reduced such a great club with a good support and a wonderful ground into a laughing stock,playing nigh on park football ,in someone else's place and spent a fortune doing so as well! If Mr. Munslow etc don't care about this ,as long as they can support "the lads", I think their opinion of a " true fan"and mine are rather different. If anyone who thinks I am incorrect can explain to me why, I would be most interested.
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Post by oxford on Oct 27, 2017 21:23:35 GMT
By the way this is my last post on here. I have decided to wash my hands of the whole,sorry,affair as I only end up making myself cross. Sutton Utd get my cash these days. Fortunate I suppose that I had them to turn to. Won't ever be quite the same, mind,but you can't live in the past. Cheerio.
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Post by B*ue dragonstander on Oct 27, 2017 21:28:11 GMT
Where does the definition provided by TM leave those who are unable to reach Bromsgrove for 3.00pm on a Saturday due to
* not having enough spare cash ?
* not being able to reach the game in time due to work or other commitments ?
* not being able to reach the match by public transport ...for instance those not fit enough to walk from the station to the ground?
* those who only go to away games?
Have we not reached a definition that has become an argument more suited to a junior school playground? You didn’t pay at the gate last week so you aren’t a true supporter despite having not missed a match for twenty years?
Hmmm.
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Post by althom on Oct 27, 2017 21:42:57 GMT
Believe me, most of us attendee's go to just watch a game of football with our mates, and all the friends we speak to at the games are in despair at the way the club has been taken down to park football level by the Board and management of the club! We all support the aims of the trust and welcome the Persdiwell appeal, but we all feel hamstrung by the current situation! The quandary we have is whether to boycott the club, or pay our £6 a match and hope that a way can be found to get the club constitution changed and the current directors removed. Personally i have found it a real dilemma on whether to still go to matches or stay away after 60 odd years! Anyway, most of us at matches are seniors, and most of us don't expect to see any progress in our lifetime!!
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Post by Noboddy aka Lord Ealing on Oct 27, 2017 22:50:34 GMT
The club's constitution won't change and the current board won't be removed. The only way to move forward is to starve them out. Paying to attend matches is just enabling these crooks to carry on.
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Post by Down The Pan on Oct 27, 2017 23:09:12 GMT
In that case Munslow, if you don't believe that Supporters actions have any effect on what happens at a football club then don't ask questions about what the Supporters Trust are or aren't doing. It's of no interest to you, so don't interfere. Just go watch your football and be on your way.
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Oct 27, 2017 23:18:49 GMT
Where does the definition provided by TM leave those who are unable to reach Bromsgrove for 3.00pm on a Saturday due to * not having enough spare cash ? * not being able to reach the game in time due to work or other commitments ? * not being able to reach the match by public transport ...for instance those not fit enough to walk from the station to the ground? * those who only go to away games? Have we not reached a definition that has become an argument more suited to a junior school playground? You didn’t pay at the gate last week so you aren’t a true supporter despite having not missed a match for twenty years? Hmmm. When I was a Director, I always paid on the gate, even though I could have walked straight into Aggborough. Anyone who is taking a complimentary and watching the football is leeching off the club , and can never be called a true supporter. Likewise BliueDragonStander, grt off your a**e and get to games at Brimsgrive. FFS man , you're only in East Anglia!! Some of us know the lengths and personal hardship that BDS put himself through to try and save the club from the shysters Personally I really don't categorise anyone as a true supporter or not. I so have a preference for those who fail to accept what's happened to our club
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Post by zeke on Oct 28, 2017 7:20:44 GMT
What Althom said. The majority are seniors who have to decide whether to spend the few years they have left, watching 'a" Worcester City team or boycotting and probably never seeing City in Worcester again!
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Post by downthelane on Oct 28, 2017 7:32:15 GMT
So Tim Munslow expresses a view different to the main contributers on here and is immediately hung out to dry.
Perhaps people are just getting tired of the trust. After all it is easy to criticise others, but let’s look at your achievements over the past few years:
- You had members on the club board, some for a number of years, that failed. - You attempted to change the club’s constitution, that failed. - You put in for planning, that failed.
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Post by rushwickdon on Oct 28, 2017 7:50:17 GMT
Whereas DTL just failed........full stop.
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