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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Sept 12, 2017 11:47:21 GMT
To my knowledge, the planning application has not reached conclusion
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Post by oxford on Sept 12, 2017 12:03:33 GMT
I am no expert on these matters but I would have thought that if the proposal had been laughed out of the planning committee chambers on a massive no vote then appealing would be a waste of time and money but ,as it was actually so close and even had the planning officers recommendation, there must ,surely,be a good chance of a successful appeal? As the board have made no secret,finally,of their feelings about Perdiswell ,surely the first move in getting rid of the lot of them,and their once probably fine but now hopelessly outdated constitution,is to get the scheme passed? Feel free to rip this to pieces if you think I am wrong.As I say I am no expert!!
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Post by creaner on Sept 12, 2017 12:21:49 GMT
So that's a no. Fair enough, as long as we know where we stand. Appreciate the response. Apologies for not responding, I don't come on here that much. The proposal put to trust members was to get an application to planning and take as far as is possible. This appeal is probably the last stage of that process. It has been made clear over the period of the two planning committee meetings that we had a robust application, as pointed out twice by the Head of Development Planning & Enforcement Development Services, that should the application be rejected we would look to appeal after taking professional advice. If the cost of appeal was prohibitive then it might have been best to let it drop. However we have a no win/no fee deal- not the £50K or whatever it was Hampson said it would cost. It would be a terrible waste of effort and money for the years of work that we put into the application to be abandoned at this late stage. As to the deal between WCC and WFA I have know idea...
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Post by citytoon on Sept 12, 2017 12:43:26 GMT
Thanks Creaner. Spot on response.
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Post by dragon on Sept 12, 2017 13:03:31 GMT
Creaner, the tenacity you and others have showm in furthering this application well merits success. What I can`t get to the bottom of is that if/when that happens and the Trust are announced as the victors, how will the construction costs be met and who in hell will play there ?
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Post by creaner on Sept 12, 2017 13:16:04 GMT
Creaner, the tenacity you and others have showm in furthering this application well merits success. What I can`t get to the bottom of is that if/when that happens and the Trust are announced as the victors, how will the construction costs be met and who in hell will play there ? Who the hell will play there no one knows! But at least there will be a modest stadium and community facilities for them! As to costs the plan was to change club to fan owned and raise capital funding via community shares and other community funding. Unfortunately the fan ownership was rejected. The trust, being a Community Benefit Society could still raise the capital, or try to, but this would be near impossible until PW is either complete or the money for it has gone. £100K won't last long. Still, if the appeal is successful we have it in our pockets for 7 years. A lot can change in that time...
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Post by voiceoftreason on Sept 12, 2017 18:20:19 GMT
And the answer remains what it always has been. At one of the monthly meetings of ST members, it was voted on that the ST Board is mandated to see Perdiswell through to its conclusion. Loving this. It is a bit like Blair and Bush relying on the historical UN resolutions to justify the invasion of Iraq. Also are the meetings for Trust members monthly or three-monthly? You have said both today Listen, if the appeal is on a "no win no fee" basis then I guess there is nothing to lose in seeing it through. It shouldn't harm any progress with the Parsonage Way proposals as the WCFC Ltd Board have been clear that any appeal is not in their name but that of the Trust alone. I think my frustration is at the lack of direct communication from the Trust with its membership since June 29th and the subsequent planning committee decision. I get that the Trust is made up of volunteers but communication is vital to maintaining the confidence and support of members.
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Sept 12, 2017 19:00:01 GMT
They happen when they happen, and we have always tried to keep them regular. During the planning application for Perdiswell, we kept them to once a month as much as possible as there was news to share. There isn't any news now, other than what Rob Crean has said in the Press, about going to appeal. We'd love to have monthly meetings, but sometimes monthly meetings are neither convenient for members, or of much point if there's no news to give out. Feel free to communicate with the Trust using the form on the website at any time. In terms of Daves aim to push forward on community ownership, the Board of WCFC do not want to talk about it, in fact they refuse to talk about it, so that is going nowhere. The Trust are being asked to get behind Parsonage Way, even though we are as in the dark as everyone else about that too, as the Board refuse to talk about it. The Trust is run by members, not the Trust Board, if you'd like to request a meeting, please feel free to do so via the website, let us know what you want to talk about.
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Sept 12, 2017 19:13:53 GMT
Furthermore, if you aren't happy with the way the Supporters Trust is being run, you are welcome to ask for new Board members to be elected, and present members removed
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Post by voiceoftreason on Sept 12, 2017 20:51:33 GMT
Thanks for those updates.
It is useful to know that Dave's attempts to talk about community ownership after the 29th June have fallen on deaf ears. It may have been useful for Trust members to have been updated of this a little sooner given the expectation created by the promise made of a further forum during July / August to update everyone on how it went.
I think the Trust Board are doing a decent job and see no reason for any changes on that score - just that more communication (via the website / email / Facebook) would be beneficial in my opinion to help us "keep the faith" that there is some light at the end of this long dark tunnel!
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Post by creaner on Sept 12, 2017 20:59:13 GMT
Thanks for those updates. It is useful to know that Dave's attempts to talk about community ownership after the 29th June have fallen on deaf ears. It may have been useful for Trust members to have been updated of this a little sooner given the expectation created by the promise made of a further forum during July / August to update everyone on how it went. I think the Trust Board are doing a decent job and see no reason for any changes on that score - just that more communication (via the website / email / Facebook) would be beneficial in my opinion to help us "keep the faith" that there is some light at the end of this long dark tunnel! That's a fair point about communication, we do need to improve there. Can you ask on my behalf for the club to hold the abandoned AGM? Trust meeting not called within a 4 week period versus no information from the club since last year. And while you're there, where has the money gone?
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Post by voiceoftreason on Sept 12, 2017 21:05:50 GMT
I have asked those questions directly to the Chairman via email. When I receive replies I will let you know!
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Post by creaner on Sept 12, 2017 21:13:35 GMT
I have asked those questions directly to the Chairman via email. When I receive replies I will let you know! So he hasn't replied...when did you ask if you don't me asking.
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Post by voiceoftreason on Sept 12, 2017 21:43:27 GMT
My email was sent around 3/4 weeks ago. I have received a reply that did not have any firm answers but did include an invitation to discuss any concerns I have over the telephone with the Chairman.
This is an invitation I will aim to take up shortly (I have been away for a couple of weeks since and haven't got round to it since getting back).
My questions are basically going to be;
When will shareholders get an AGM?
How much money does the club actually have left?
How do the Board propose to raise the funds needed to pursue the proposal for a stadium at Parsonage Way?
When will the planning application for PW be going in and what are the envisaged timescales for getting it built?
Does the Board support a community ownership model for the football club? If not, why not?
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Post by niels on Sept 12, 2017 22:08:34 GMT
I tried to ask Anthony questions when I ran into him in Malvern last week (we were on the same pavement and he had nowhere to escape to, unlike several times in Waitrose where he disappeared down the next isle). Apparantly we are all in this together (what this is was never made clear) and when I asked if he was quite sure about that he said yes and made a bolt for it, so I very much look forward to your report of the forthcoming conversation.
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Post by canalender on Sept 13, 2017 21:26:33 GMT
My email was sent around 3/4 weeks ago. I have received a reply that did not have any firm answers but did include an invitation to discuss any concerns I have over the telephone with the Chairman. This is an invitation I will aim to take up shortly (I have been away for a couple of weeks since and haven't got round to it since getting back). My questions are basically going to be; When will shareholders get an AGM? How much money does the club actually have left? How do the Board propose to raise the funds needed to pursue the proposal for a stadium at Parsonage Way? When will the planning application for PW be going in and what are the envisaged timescales for getting it built? Does the Board support a community ownership model for the football club? If not, why not? Man who doesn't communicate moans about lack of communication.
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Post by B*ue dragonstander on Sept 30, 2017 9:32:21 GMT
I think the chances of a written response to an email are zero but I think VoT you should continue to press for such a response or for reasons why the Directors are unable or unwilling to provide one?
Have you managed to speak to the Chairman? No? Thought not. In any event what is the use of such a conversation unless it is recorded (not sure if that is legal without the consent of all parties involved?) and can be published verbatim?
The chances of matter escaping a black hole are zilch. 😊
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