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Post by thesecondjack on Aug 8, 2017 12:15:00 GMT
You beat me to it!
I'll post this on the website shortly.
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Post by jupu on Aug 8, 2017 12:33:17 GMT
Where will the club shop be?
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Post by The Verner on Aug 8, 2017 12:36:10 GMT
Where will the club shop be? Same as last season, to the right of the turnstiles as you enter |
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Post by thesecondjack on Aug 8, 2017 12:36:47 GMT
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Aug 8, 2017 13:33:35 GMT
Isn't the provision of medical supplies in the dressing rooms a fundamental and mandatory requirement? And isn't this already covered in the rent agreement with Bromsgrove Sporting?
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Post by The Verner on Aug 8, 2017 13:39:50 GMT
Jem,
this is for supplies that Leigh requires from a physio point of view, covers training as well as match days.
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Aug 8, 2017 13:57:02 GMT
So how much in additional supplies is needed every game? How much of the £40 pot goes to the winner, and how much goes to this "medical supplies" pot? Even if its split 50/50, this is an additional income of over £400 going into a medical supplies item in the accounts, not an insignificant amount, which has never been accounted for at all in the past years.
Considering Colin Layland has said today that he is quite comfortable with the state of the finances at the club, this seems excessive and unnecessary. Its rather incongruous to suggest that the club wants its supporters to fund the matchday first aid kit every game. Is this a Board decision?
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Post by The Verner on Aug 8, 2017 14:03:54 GMT
Jem, whatever is done, you will moan, if it goes to the Club...you moan, if it goes to the playing budget...you moan...if it goes to physio supplies...you will moan.
Is it a board decision ? No...none of the sponsorships, team sheet or football card ideas have been the boards, all mine so if anyone wants to blame someone...blame me.
I mean...all that is being tried to do here is raise money for the Club etc
If we sat and did nothing then what does that prove or do ?
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Aug 8, 2017 14:13:38 GMT
So, this money, might never actually go to these supplies? You're running a lottery , in your name? Or the clubs name? There are strict laws regarding running lotteries laid down by the Gambling Commission. I'd check out the Gambling Act (2005).
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Post by camper on Aug 8, 2017 14:18:13 GMT
I believe that this will only effect the true supporters and not the Stay at Home none supporters. So they need not worry themselves what it's for and where it goes!
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Aug 8, 2017 14:19:43 GMT
I believe that this will only effect the true supporters and not the Stay at Home none supporters. So they need not worry themselves what it's for and where it goes! Unless of course if it is an unlawful lottery |
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Post by The Verner on Aug 8, 2017 14:20:42 GMT
Jem, what answer are you fishing for ?
Maybe we should raise it for Parsonage Way
Maybe we should raise it for an appeal on Perdiswell
Maybe we should raise it for buying ourselves a Pub
Maybe...just maybe...we should raise it for the Football Club, A budget or even supplies for the dressing room for both home and away games, guess what.....the latter isnt covered by Bromsgroves rent !
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Aug 8, 2017 14:25:05 GMT
Kev, you personally could be breaking the law, lotteries are regulated.
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Post by The Verner on Aug 8, 2017 14:28:39 GMT
Kev, you personally could be breaking the law, lotteries are regulated. Well what do you suggest then Jem ? Forget it and do F all which seems to be everyone's stance these days or do something, say what it is going towards and actually run something that raises money for the Club / Management Staff / Playing Staff / Physio etc etc Its a 50/50 split. It will say on the cards what it is in aid of. |
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Aug 8, 2017 14:36:28 GMT
I think that under the terms of the gambling act, the payout has to be an 80/20 split to be compliant as a Small Societies Lottery. I suggest that you check the law and make sure that you are not acting unlawfully, particularly if you are doing this as a personal initiative, but benefiting a commercial business of which you are an officer. I suggest take legal advice.
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Post by The Verner on Aug 8, 2017 14:40:44 GMT
Its being sold by the Club Shop, nothing being personally done by myself.
I will check it out, rather be safe and do something than think sod it and do nothing !
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Aug 8, 2017 14:48:13 GMT
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Aug 8, 2017 14:51:14 GMT
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Post by The Verner on Aug 8, 2017 14:51:38 GMT
So the rules that need to be followed are the same as the 50:50. So question is, what does the 50:50 come under in the accounts and budgets ? What about the Trusts lucky numbers board that is sold on matchdays ? |
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Aug 8, 2017 15:07:04 GMT
The Supporters Trust lotteries fall under the category of Private Society Lotteries, and as such are lawful as they are raising funds for a charity or good cause. A further advantage of being a CBS to raise money.
The 50:50 draw is a line item in the income statement, I would expect that the football club must hold a licence to carry out this lottery. If not, it is possibly unlawful too. Check the legality with someone who knows.
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Post by The Verner on Aug 8, 2017 15:19:46 GMT
Its all very confusing Jem, I will ask an expert. I would check the Trust one also, Private Society Lotteries state this -
"A lottery is a private society lottery if it is promoted only by authorised members of a
society and each person to whom a ticket is sold either is a member of the society or on
premises wholly or mainly used for the administration of the society or the conduct of its
affairs.
So does this mean the Trust lucky numbers board should only be sold to Trust Members, and does the Trust use The VG mainly for the Administration of the society ?
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Post by genghis on Aug 8, 2017 15:38:05 GMT
Funds going towards physio supplies is exactly what the club needs tbh.
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Aug 8, 2017 15:39:41 GMT
Yes, the Trust has had to seek the permission of the club to carry out its administrative affairs at SGL, Aggborough and The Victoria Ground. if the club decided that the Trust could not carry out its business at the ground, then the Trust could not lawfully undertake a lottery. Lotteries are murky areas, in fact, a former friend of mine came up with a suggestion to reduce the overheads of the 50:50 by suggesting that a cheap raffle ticket book could be used instead of the the pre-printed tickets. However, there is a legal requirement to provide certain information on tickets such as the registered name and address of the promoter, the price of the tickets and when / where the draw takes place, so this good idea to help the club was a non-starter. This same info has to be on scratchcards too. I'd make sure that the club is the promoter of this lottery.
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Post by beenwatching on Aug 8, 2017 15:45:31 GMT
Yes, the Trust has had to seek the permission of the club to carry out its administrative affairs at SGL, Aggborough and The Victoria Ground. if the club decided that the Trust could not carry out its business at the ground, then the Trust could not lawfully undertake a lottery. Lotteries are murky areas, in fact, a former friend of mine came up with a suggestion to reduce the overheads of the 50:50 by suggesting that a cheap raffle ticket book could be used instead of the the pre-printed tickets. However, there is a legal requirement to provide certain information on tickets such as the registered name and address of the promoter, the price of the tickets and when / where the draw takes place, so this good idea to help the club was a non-starter. This same info has to be on scratchcards too. I'd make sure that the club is the promoter of this lottery. |
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Post by beenwatching on Aug 8, 2017 15:47:42 GMT
Who ,You are such a know all knob Jocky !
The bloke is doing his best !!
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Post by Noboddy aka Lord Ealing on Aug 8, 2017 15:51:36 GMT
He might be a 'knob', but he may well have saved Kev being prosecuted.
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Aug 8, 2017 17:11:53 GMT
Who ,You are such a know all knob Jocky ! The bloke is doing his best !! I can live with being a know all knob jocky (sic), if it keeps a friend from potential prosecution. We could have raised substantial income for the club last year if we'd disregarded the health and safety advice given by SAG, such as limits on capacity at Victoria Ground , but we didn't, for good reason. Running an unlicenced or unlawful lottery carries far bigger penalties. This might be a really good idea, but unless its sanctioned by the club, is promoted by the club, and complies with the gambling act, then it's potentially unlawful. |
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Post by jupu on Aug 8, 2017 17:39:10 GMT
This is an "incidental lottery" and in my opinion would not require any form of registration, although there are certain rules to follow.
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Post by voiceoftreason on Aug 8, 2017 17:56:46 GMT
Incidental lotteries still have to be non commercial though jupu.
If a lottery is raising money for private or commercial gain then it is not lawful - the Gambling Commission website is clear on this.
Plenty of ways to raise funds for the club, but we very careful about running a lottery to benefit a Ltd company. The fines and prison sentences the courts can hand out are very real.
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Post by beenwatching on Aug 8, 2017 19:42:36 GMT
This is an "incidental lottery" and in my opinion would not require any form of registration, although there are certain rules to follow. |
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