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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Jun 30, 2017 22:11:59 GMT
Unfortunately, the Boards intransigence is the very reason that the planning was not passed already. If they had agreed to constitutional change at the EGM, and the vote passed, then the question of community amenity would not have even been brought up. Unfortunately the councilors played their hand believing that this was a football ground for Worcester City FC LKtd. exclusively. We did try and tell them, they didn't listen. And now I read that at the meeting with the Trust earlier in the week Hampson said that the EGM was badly timed!! The only thing wrong with the timing was that it was too late, certainly NOT too early. There is no unity, Hampson says it only to keep buying time.
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Post by dragon on Jul 1, 2017 8:12:50 GMT
Couldn`t agree more B*. The time for cosying up to that apology for a board has long past and how the Trust can bear to work with them on any aspect after all that has happened over the last five years is beyond belief. Yes, Perdiswell is important but that dream is still years away regardless of the Council`s procrastination and the time and energy would have been better spent on advancing an alternative club. It`s just about not to late but we can have little hope of it ever happening !
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Post by downthelane on Jul 1, 2017 9:34:52 GMT
There's nothing to stop a new club being set up. So if you want that then why hasn't it happened??
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Post by dragon on Jul 1, 2017 10:23:21 GMT
I don`t control the Trust but sorry to show any interest, I`ll leave you to play with your train set - or argue about it as usual !
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Post by Croc on Jul 1, 2017 11:31:03 GMT
I don`t control the Trust but sorry to show any interest, I`ll leave you to play with your train set - or argue about it as usual ! Take no notice dragon - it's trying to stir again
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Post by downthelane on Jul 1, 2017 15:23:11 GMT
Welcome to my world Dragon of not be allowed to express an opinion
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Post by jupu on Jul 1, 2017 15:46:43 GMT
Most of your posts are questions, not opinions. I would be very interested in your opinions. Who says you're not allowed to express them?
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Post by dragon on Jul 3, 2017 9:08:40 GMT
According to WN, it`s the `last call` for Hampson & Co to agree to Community governance for WCFC. I wish I had any confidence in that being any more of a solution for this sorry apology for a football club but I`m sure the in-fighting of the last 70 years will continue under any new team of governors who take over - and that includes the ST ! Worcester City has been a dysfunctional mess since horrendous debt caused the directors to `Save Our Club`by bringing a Stanley Matthews Select XI in 1949/50.True, we`ve enjoyed some magic moments ON the field but OFF it it`s always been a train crash. In reality, it died when they locked the gates ( then took them away ! )at St Georges Lane.Not worth sufferingfurther angst.
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Post by Noboddy aka Lord Ealing on Jul 3, 2017 9:38:27 GMT
Your pessimism is understandable Dragon. The club has a history of charlatan, and rogue directors. The current bunch (in which I include Hallmark and Boddy) being the worst. However, there are plenty of examples of clubs being run by decent, football lovers. Worcester has its share of these in the likes of Creaner; Rich Widd; Dave Woods; Jem; Niels and many more.
However, I don't think WCFC is salvageable after the antics of Hampson and co. I think the only way to secure a football club for Worcester is to start anew.
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Jul 3, 2017 9:59:05 GMT
You are echoing my personal sentiments there Dragon. I am not convinced anymore that any form of governance can save the club. Whether it be a Ltd, CBS, CIC or any other inmate of alphabet zoo, the reality is, there's no money, there's liabilities that need covering, there's limited income streams (operational income streams) and, I know this will possibly enrage some people, but the club is poorly supported. Its well watched, by plenty of people, but poorly supported. Here's a premier local club, in turmoil, relegated 3 leagues, homeless, and clinging to survival by its fingertips, and how many turn up for a meeting to discuss the future of the club? 40! Watched by 500/600 each game, and 40 care enough to turn up to a meeting, and its the same 30/40 at every meeting. Few supporters fought to save SGL, few supporters fought against the wrongdoings of the likes of Hallmark, few supporters fought against the SMD / Careys stitch up (legal stitch up, no wrong doing, they just saw an easy target, and few challenged them) and still its just a few who are fighting for the club now. Anyone with common sense, and even a modicum of knowledge of the situation, has severed all links with the club, and quite rightly, even the auditors and accountants have walked away. No-one wants to be tarnished with guilt by association. Its a bit like the E type Jag that I looked at buying once, I love E Types, I'm passionate about E Types, I wanted it badly, and the price was give away. But the reality was, it was way far too gone for saving, it was a basket case. Unfortunately, without any evidence to the contrary, I believe that WCFC Ltd. is also now a basket case way past saving. The chance was there 3 years ago, probably two years ago, but not any more.
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Post by triumphdave on Jul 3, 2017 16:47:45 GMT
You are echoing my personal sentiments there Dragon. I am not convinced anymore that any form of governance can save the club. Whether it be a Ltd, CBS, CIC or any other inmate of alphabet zoo, the reality is, there's no money, there's liabilities that need covering, there's limited income streams (operational income streams) and, I know this will possibly enrage some people, but the club is poorly supported. Its well watched, by plenty of people, but poorly supported. Here's a premier local club, in turmoil, relegated 3 leagues, homeless, and clinging to survival by its fingertips, and how many turn up for a meeting to discuss the future of the club? 40! Watched by 500/600 each game, and 40 care enough to turn up to a meeting, and its the same 30/40 at every meeting. Few supporters fought to save SGL, few supporters fought against the wrongdoings of the likes of Hallmark, few supporters fought against the SMD / Careys stitch up (legal stitch up, no wrong doing, they just saw an easy target, and few challenged them) and still its just a few who are fighting for the club now. Anyone with common sense, and even a modicum of knowledge of the situation, has severed all links with the club, and quite rightly, even the auditors and accountants have walked away. No-one wants to be tarnished with guilt by association. Its a bit like the E type Jag that I looked at buying once, I love E Types, I'm passionate about E Types, I wanted it badly, and the price was give away. But the reality was, it was way far too gone for saving, it was a basket case. Unfortunately, without any evidence to the contrary, I believe that WCFC Ltd. is also now a basket case way past saving. The chance was there 3 years ago, probably two years ago, but not any more. Ah but there you are ,even basket case E types fetch £50k if it's the right one to restore.I have restored cars for clients from little more than pipes of s(crap)! The club is currently at that level in need of a good home and someone or some group to take charge and restore it before there is nothing left and even less enthusiasm.I bet you wish you'd stuck with it and bought that car now?
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Jul 3, 2017 17:34:43 GMT
Agreed, but when the cost of restoration is £100k , whats the point in it fetching £50k? I'm so glad I walked away from it, head ruled heart, and it was the slightly less desirable 2+2 coupe , V12 to boot. But way too far gone to be a viable proposition, it was broken up for parts. And thats a car that did appreciate during the boom times, maybe I should have used a Renault Fuego as an analogy. As I said, I don't know for sure, but in the absence of any evidence to the contrary, and the club being so reluctant to let any prospective investors look at the books, who in their right mind would take a punt? We have no idea of the level of debt now, whether there is any money left over from the ground sale, what management accounts look like, the accountants and auditor have washed their hands of the company. If the club was still in a position to be saved then either a) the present Board would have put a plan into place to save it 5 years ago, and that plan would have kept the club alive today, or b) the club is tarted up and touted to potential investors , and neither has happened. So two questions , why has no one stepped in already? and why have the board not done anything to make the club saleable? I don't know the answers, although people are reluctant to sell their house if there's a body under the floorboards. But unless the Board are more open about the future, then no-one is going to step in, because there's no way of stepping in. And the Supporters Trust have tried, and failed.
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Post by downthelane on Jul 3, 2017 18:33:58 GMT
The Supporters Trust didn't offer any financial input.
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Post by wr4change on Jul 3, 2017 19:07:00 GMT
Why would the ST offer any financial support when they would have no control as to how their funds were spent (sorry squandered) by the Board ?
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Post by dragon on Jul 3, 2017 19:23:01 GMT
Just how is the Trust going to `save`WCFC? Is there a secret wad of cash which can be used to ensure the Club can survive at its present level let alone cover the cost of building a new ground - ANYWHERE? Merely changing the company into a Community Benefit Society will achieve nothing if any of the same charlatans are still in charge. ANY organisation that has Hampson and other Hallmark surrogates involved in any capacity would lack any credibility whatsoever even as far as attracting a paid auditor let a major sponsor
So, if those who guide the Trust do need to seek continuity of a sort, then AQUIRE the the club and wind it up. Let`s go for a clean start all round. Trouble is, the legal fees will probably do for the Trust just as it did for City and Perdiswell !
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Post by Noboddy aka Lord Ealing on Jul 3, 2017 19:26:54 GMT
I don't think this board ever intended to "save" the club. They never intended co-operating with the Trust, the council or anyone. They've just kept the corpse alive so they could drain every last drop of blood possible. The delay has also helped them hide any facts and figures that could incriminate them.
And sadly they've got away with it.
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Post by downthelane on Jul 3, 2017 19:37:05 GMT
Equally I don't believe the Trust has ever had any intention of saving the club.
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Jul 3, 2017 19:38:51 GMT
The Supporters Trust aren't in a position to offer any financial input, no-one is in a position to offer any financial input, as no-one knows what the state is of the company. Furthermore, if the Supporters Trust wanted to offer financial input, it would only be to a maximum of 3,000 shares as per the constitution. The ST together with a group of supporters proposed a constitutional change to allow for larger proportions of the shares to be purchased, but the Board of the club recommended rejecting this move, thereby stopping any chance of larger investment. Meanwhile, the Supporters Trust have funded the one and only plan put forward to give the club a home in Worcester to the tune of at least £100,000.
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Jul 3, 2017 19:41:56 GMT
Equally I don't believe the Trust has ever had any intention of saving the club. So please tell us all why you think the Supporters Trust wish to guide the company down the path of community ownership as a CBS? Why do you think that the Supporters Trust are looking to change the company constitution in a way that can bring in external investment, with a favourable return and tax incentives for investors? I'd love to hear your opinion
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Post by downthelane on Jul 3, 2017 20:05:07 GMT
You said it yourself - just 40 turned up to the meeting. The majority don't care.
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Jul 3, 2017 20:14:01 GMT
The majority of whom? That was an open meeting for everyone in Worcester, or even outside of Worcester with an interest in the future of WCFC , were you there? By inference then, you don't care? I'd love to hear your opinion on the intention of the Supporters Trust, a few days ago you were complaining that your opinion isn't given airtime, well here you go, the floor is yours .
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Post by Woodenose on Jul 3, 2017 21:11:04 GMT
Who is this person called downthelane, very anti trust it seems to me, What would you do to save this club? Worcester are now playing at their lowest level since they started, how can you support anyone that has destroyed this club. This person is so negative and has no idea, just because only 40 people turned up to a meeting does not mean that others do not care. Looking through your comments, I have not come across anything that is constructive or positive to say about the club that you are supposed to support
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Post by Croc on Jul 3, 2017 21:43:49 GMT
Who is this person called downthelane, very anti trust it seems to me, What would you do to save this club? Worcester are now playing at their lowest level since they started, how can you support anyone that has destroyed this club. This person is so negative and has no idea, just because only 40 people turned up to a meeting does not mean that others do not care. Looking through your comments, I have not come across anything that is constructive or positive to say about the club that you are supposed to support I can sum it up in one word what that particular character is: Quisling Suspicions from several sane contributors is that this unsavoury "thing" is intimately close to the Board - from which you can draw conclusions.
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Jul 3, 2017 21:54:21 GMT
Talking of which, why has Mark Wilcox been removed from the clubs Directors on the club website?
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Post by Noboddy aka Lord Ealing on Jul 4, 2017 8:19:00 GMT
They're slipping away one by one and hoping no one notices the boardroom is empty.
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Jul 4, 2017 8:43:51 GMT
Ah he's back, must have been an error on the website
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Post by Noboddy aka Lord Ealing on Jul 4, 2017 8:46:04 GMT
He slipped out for a ciggie.
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Post by The Verner on Jul 4, 2017 9:04:39 GMT
Ah he's back, must have been an error on the website Yes, I have just corrected the mistake on the website, he had slipped off the page, no idea why
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Post by alwaysnextyear on Jul 4, 2017 11:10:35 GMT
downthelane - a correction for you, to help you to stop bathing in your ignorance.
I was at the meeting. There were about 90 to 100 people there. Someone asked in reference to potentially calling an EGM of the football club, how many shareholders would be needed, and how many shareholders were there in the room ? The shareholders present stood up, and were roughly counted at 40. That's where the 40 number has come from. There weren't just 40 at the meeting, just 40 shareholders. Got it ?
Like many, I have followed the City for years. I've always gone to watch, helped a bit, bought and sold raffle tickets etc. However at no stage ( and even more than ever now ) have I ever wanted to buy shares in the Club. Why ?
Because with few honourable individual exceptions going back over 40 plus years, I've not trusted the honesty, integrity, business acumen, intentions, and footballing savvy of those running the club. There have been some very good directors of the club, but they have been heavily outnumbered by the shysters and bullshitters.
Why would I buy shares ( give money to ) in a club that does not hold AGM's and is not, and hasn't been for over 20 years, financially transparent and honest ? Yet that is the only " business plan " the Board has ever suggested. Buy shares ? In what ?
I've just about given up on understanding and second guessing the intentions of Hampson, Layland, ( 2008 ) and Wilcox ( 2011 ) who after years of being in charge of running the club, have only managed to achieve massive financial losses year after year, requested demotion, and have literally run the club into the ground both on and off the pitch, yet they just plough on regardless.
The AGM cancellation bullshit said it all yet again to me. Hampson has little desire to try and explain to shareholders the loss of 155 k for 2016, let alone whilst he will now know the actual loss for year ended 31 May 2017, venture into explaining how another 250 k has gone, leaving the club with just 250k left. How could anyone try to be remotely credible, stand up and say, that based on how his Board have run things, with their own business plan, that we've lost 400k in the last 2 seasons, meaning that we had to request demotion ?
" You're stuck with me " said it all.
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Post by Noboddy aka Lord Ealing on Jul 4, 2017 11:40:08 GMT
"We are where we want to be" AH
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