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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 9:57:19 GMT
Is it time to start moves to create a new football club for Worcester? Is this the way forward or would it just confuse matters? As usual I've no idea how to do this, but it seems the time may be right - and would create some interesting publicity.
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Aug 22, 2016 10:23:09 GMT
I am going to talk with Enfield Town at some stage. 15 years ago they did the very same thing, breaking away from the existing Enfield FC to form a new community owned club. Any volunteers want to help me out here?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 10:33:23 GMT
Yes, keep me in the loop. Enfield is within spitting distance of here.
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Post by Tim Munslow on Aug 22, 2016 10:41:51 GMT
I am against any kind of split as long as there is a possibility, however faint, of keeping going.
"The house that is divided against itself will surely fall."
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Post by Brooksiders Return!! on Aug 22, 2016 11:00:55 GMT
I am in agreement with you Tim, I would be extremely reluctant to go down this route. The question is though, what can you do when you know that failure is just around the corner? As responsible and committed supporters we have to explore every avenue open to us. We have a prebuilt, ready to play CBS in operation, we can build the Supporters Trust as a community anchor, expanding on our work in the community, we can continue our efforts to create a community facility at Perdiswell, the only thing we don't have is a football club to take advantage of the opportunity. It doesn't have to be Worcester City Football Club Ltd.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 11:11:54 GMT
Tim, it's falling. In fact it's fallen. As I mentioned to someone else this morning it pains me to even suggest forming another club, but , this isn't the WCFC I've loved all my life. That died a long time ago - when we lost the EGM at Nunnery some years back. A corrupt bunch of local shysters have taken WCFC and driven it over a cliff.
I'm disgusted that someone like you, someone who the club should cherish and value, has been hurt enough by this cabal to even think about not attending matches. But they don't care about decent people like you. And they don't care about WCFC, if they did why have they refused the help of a community based movement.
They have already destroyed our club, and they're preventing any plans to revive it. I feel it's time to at least start looking into how a new WCFC can rise from the ashes, so when this mob sail off into their back-hander lined sunset we have some options at our disposal.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 11:13:31 GMT
Messages overlapped!
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Post by Croc on Aug 22, 2016 11:26:47 GMT
I am going to talk with Enfield Town at some stage. 15 years ago they did the very same thing, breaking away from the existing Enfield FC to form a new community owned club. Any volunteers want to help me out here? I'm more than happy to help (attending meetings, emailing, etc.)
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Post by Mark on Aug 22, 2016 13:58:54 GMT
It saddens me that I amongst others even have to consider a new club but I do because WCFC is all but dead and gone and it seems there is nothing we can do about it. If starting a new club is deemed to be the best way forward then I will support the proposal. However, a new club has one major obstacle...........it has no ground to play at.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 15:58:34 GMT
",,,.it has no ground to play at" true, but if we wait until WCFC dies then it'll take several years to start the process. At least we can save some time by acting early.
I agree Mark, it breaks my heart to even think of starting another club. I've only ever supported one club - WCFC. (Two if you count the reserves we used to have.) However this club is no longer the WCFC I knew and loved - that died the night we had the EGM at Nunnery.
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Post by dragon on Aug 22, 2016 17:51:33 GMT
At long last people are opening their eyes to the fact that WCFC is dead. In truth it died when SGL was sold off and the `retiring` directors put Hampson in charge of preparing the company to save their investment (share money).
The longer the delay the less likely we shall EVER see senior non-league football again.
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Post by zeke on Aug 22, 2016 18:50:50 GMT
So, are there any pitches in Worcester that could be (fairly cheaply) upgraded to Midland Football League standard?
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Post by jimbo on Aug 22, 2016 19:37:05 GMT
So, are there any pitches in Worcester that could be (fairly cheaply) upgraded to Midland Football League standard? The University perhaps ? Is there not a small stadium at Nunnery Sports ? AND could it be possible that 6 ways could become an option if we are to form a CBS ? I realise that mr Duckworth has little input up there now, but I do know (from personal experience NOT hearsay) that at one time he would have nothing whatsoever to do with WCFC Ltd because of the way the board at the time & previously conducted their business.
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Post by zeke on Aug 22, 2016 20:16:48 GMT
My memory isn't great, but didn't Boddy move Upton FC to Nunnery and call them Worcester UTD?
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Post by Croc on Aug 22, 2016 20:28:30 GMT
My memory isn't great, but didn't Boddy move Upton FC to Nunnery and call them Worcester UTD? Worcester Athletico 1996-97 Joined Midland Combination Premier Division 1997-98 Midland Combination Champions 1998 Merged into Pershore Town SEASON LEAGUE P W D L F A P POS 1996-97 MID C-P 38 20 7 11 85 60 67 6/20 1997-98 MID C-P 40 26 12 2 111 41 90 1/21 F.A. VASE 1996-97 2Q LONG BUCKBY H 1-3 1997-98 2Q DUNKIRK H 2-1 1 WALSALL WOOD A 2-1 2 ELY CITY A 0-1
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Post by jimbo on Aug 22, 2016 21:04:07 GMT
I wonder how many people would turn up to see a 'new' club ? I've never been an advocate of dropping down the leagues, (as some of you will well know). But, this may be our only option, be it in the very near future or when this board finally kills WCFC off. I so wish I had the time let alone the knowledge to help get this moving, because for once I disagree with Mr Pitt. I firmly believe this needs to happen now !!!
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Post by zeke on Aug 22, 2016 21:58:49 GMT
Thanks Croc
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Post by miserablesod on Aug 22, 2016 22:41:49 GMT
I'm sorry but I would never consider starting a new club until my original club is dead, gone and there's no chance of it coming back.
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Post by thatloudbloke on Aug 23, 2016 8:40:19 GMT
I'm sorry but I would never consider starting a new club until my original club is dead, gone and there's no chance of it coming back. totally agree & what happens to the clubs history, this would also die with WCFC, we should all work to one result & that is to keep WCFC playing football in Worcester & it needs total support to go down the comunity route by directors, trust & supporters, yes its a long haul, but keep the faith...
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Post by althom on Aug 23, 2016 8:59:31 GMT
Perhaps the motion to be put to Shareholders at the next EGM would be to close down WCFC Ltd at the end of this season, and distribute whats left in the company to shareholders (after expenses). Meanwhile AFC Worcester City is formed by the Trust ready to carry on non league football in Worcester albeit at a much lower level, at a suitable site that the council are apparently seeking. Sounds brutal i know, but it will shorten the inevitable demise of the club we all love, and keep the major shareholders happy, they who keep voting against any reform of the constitution. How could these major shareholders possibly vote against that motion? They are obviously only interested in the £500,000 approx in the coffers which in 2 or 3 years time will be down to nothing!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2016 9:31:37 GMT
"How could these major shareholders possibly vote against that motion?" They will though. If they had the club at heart they would have pulled together with the supporters via the Trust or whoever, to rescue the club. Althom's plan is excellent - but I can't see this board ever agreeing to it. And without those votes such a scheme is doomed.
"what happens to the clubs history" - this can be transferred once the dust settles. Hopefully the real WCFC will have re-emerged from the ashes by then. The one in existence at the moment is the cuckoo in the nest. It's just a refuge for local charlatans.
A new WCFC will have to emerge from a recognisable entity - i.e. either the Supporters' Club or the Trust. As the Supporters"Club don't seem to have ever issued a statement regarding the antics of the board (pro or against) I assume they don't feel inclined to get involved.
(Perhaps it should be the Supporter's Club rather than the Supporters' Club? Today's grammatical gag. I'll get my coat.)
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Post by jupu on Aug 23, 2016 11:23:19 GMT
Whatever happens, our history won't die. I'm sure fans of Hereford, Newport, Nuneaton et al see their current club as the continuation of their predecessors.
The destiny of WCFC is not in the hands of the supporters. It will be determined by the board, who will presumably seek a fresh mandate from shareholders at some point in the not too distant future.
It's then up to us as individuals to decide whether we buy into this new vision, when we know what it looks like.
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Post by Tim Munslow on Aug 23, 2016 11:42:00 GMT
Does anybody have a list (or perhaps it is available at a fee from Companies House?) of who the shareholders are? That way we could identify the major shareholders, who presumably were the ones demanding a poll vote rather than a show of hands; then, just perhaps, we could attempt to change their point of view by some means?
If all else fails this might involve the local mafia!
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Post by creaner on Aug 23, 2016 12:04:25 GMT
Does anybody have a list (or perhaps it is available at a fee from Companies House?) of who the shareholders are? That way we could identify the major shareholders, who presumably were the ones demanding a poll vote rather than a show of hands; then, just perhaps, we could attempt to change their point of view by some means? If all else fails this might involve the local mafia! We, the trust, approached many of the large shareholders explaining what we were trying to do. Some were supportive at that time but must have reversed their position when it came to the vote.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2016 12:05:24 GMT
Tim, they are the local mafia!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2016 12:11:14 GMT
"The destiny of WCFC is not in the hands of the supporters. It will be determined by the board....." Exactly. And that's the frightening part. " ...who will presumably seek a fresh mandate from shareholders at some point in the not too distant future." Really? Why are they going to suddenly change their attitude? "It's then up to us as individuals to decide whether we buy into this new vision, when we know what it looks like." New vision? ? It's been nearly a decade since the EGM at Nunnery, and still no sign of a "vision". In fact I'm not sure they've even got their eyes open.
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Post by jimbo on Aug 23, 2016 14:10:39 GMT
I cannot understand any 'ordinary' supporter being opposed to a new club being formed. The chairman has quite clearly stated that WCFC Ltd has only got 2-3 years before it folds, with no plan b to save it. At that point you will not have a club to support, unless the trust can perform miracles & persuade this bunch of idiots that the only way to save the club is community based. Hampson has also made it clear that the board are opposed to that. Even if we do become community based the club will not be the WCFC that you presently support. I really do think some of you should start 'looking outside the box' & give the trust the support it needs to try to perform that miracle....... Rant over !!
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Post by althom on Aug 23, 2016 15:29:25 GMT
Tim, The list of shareholders is on the Companies House web site along with Annual Return 2015 and it's free!
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Post by The Verner on Aug 23, 2016 20:25:37 GMT
Does anybody have a list (or perhaps it is available at a fee from Companies House?) of who the shareholders are? That way we could identify the major shareholders, who presumably were the ones demanding a poll vote rather than a show of hands; then, just perhaps, we could attempt to change their point of view by some means? If all else fails this might involve the local mafia! Easy... Boddy Sorenson Keith Stokes Smith Brown Lancaster Presscot (RIP) Hallmark Panter All families Andy Preece has 1,000 Cant remember everyone off the top of my head
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Post by jimbo on Aug 23, 2016 21:22:58 GMT
You've missed a few obvious ones there Verner ! AND I know at least one of those would not hand his proxy to the board.
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